Judge calls it

Hitchens · 28-03-2014 09:59AM #1

A judge has caused outrage after saying he thinks "Muslims feel they can actually beat their wives" during the trial of a Somali man accused of burglary at his former wife's house.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/outrage-as-judge-claims-muslims-feel-they-can-beat-their-wives-30133991.html

Well, he's called it as a lot of people see it, fair dues to him whether you agree with him or not.

Canis Lupus · 28-03-2014 10:01AM

Hitchens wrote: »

A judge has caused outrage after saying he thinks "Muslims feel they can actually beat their wives" during the trial of a Somali man accused of burglary at his former wife's house.

Link to follow

Fearless

Are talking talking culture or religion here because I know plenty of muslims who think it's abhorrent regardless of what the koran says.

super_furry · 28-03-2014 10:01AM

This is going to be a well reasoned and thoughtful debate.

sillyoulfool · 28-03-2014 10:03AM

Judge should be sacked, or at least suspended.
The defendant was not accused of any form of assault but the racist judge went on a rant.
Whats worse the defendants ex wife withdrew her case after the judges intolerant and insulting outburst.

Plazaman · 28-03-2014 10:06AM

Stereotyping at it's worst. The majority of muslims men are ordinary blokes living their life normally just like everyone else. They're not planning Jihads, walking around slapping women randomly or burning American flags. If a Judge in another country said "all Irish think they can go out and get drunk and smash up the place", there'd be uproar here. Obvious that Irish vs Muslim is not like with like but you know what I mean.

Hitchens · 28-03-2014 10:06AM

sillyoulfool wrote: »

Judge should be sacked, or at least suspended.

No, it won't happen, guaranteed

Cian92 · 28-03-2014 10:07AM

If it was a derogatory mark aimed at Catholics nobody would moan about it. He called it as it is. Fairplay. I hope he doesn't give into pressure and censor his comments as no doubt the goody two shoes will want him to.

Judge Anthony Halpin seems to have a better grasp of reality than most Judges, Earlier in the year he said there was 'a total breakdown of social order' in Tallaght.

D1stant · 28-03-2014 10:09AM

Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

That said, you can find some fairly medieval stuff in the Bible too

Rubberchikken · 28-03-2014 10:09AM

i dont think it comes down to being a muslim or not in domestic violence. its only some men, and women, who behave like this.

can see what the judge was saying, he probably just needed to say it in a different way.

Gatling · 28-03-2014 10:12AM

sillyoulfool wrote: »

Judge should be sacked, or at least suspended.
The defendant was not accused of any form of assault but the racist judge went on a rant.
Whats worse the defendants ex wife withdrew her case after the judges intolerant and insulting outburst.

He broke into her house ,he broke a barring order and was carrying a knife ,
The protection/ barring order certainly wasn't issued for nothing ,
The ex wife didn't withdraw the case because of the comment ,

A deportation order should be a choice if the now ex husband keeps this crap up

sillyoulfool · 28-03-2014 10:12AM

The overwhelming number of cases of wife beating in this country are carried out by non Muslims, indeed since 80% of those who responded to the last census described themselves as Roman Catholic, one could argue, albeit unfairly, that it appears to be a Roman Catholic trait.

Cian92 · 28-03-2014 10:15AM

sillyoulfool wrote: »

The overwhelming number of cases of wife beating in this country are carried out by non Muslims, indeed since 80% of those who responded to the last census described themselves as Roman Catholic, one could argue, albeit unfairly, that it appears to be a Roman Catholic trait.

Today we will learn a thing or two about statistics.

If 80% of the country is Catholic, you would expect 80% of the wife beatings to be carried out by Catholics. :rolleyes:

Bio Mech · 28-03-2014 10:15AM

sillyoulfool wrote: »

The overwhelming number of cases of wife beating in this country are carried out by non Muslims, indeed since 80% of those who responded to the last census described themselves as Roman Catholic, one could argue, albeit unfairly, that it appears to be a Roman Catholic trait.

I assume you have proportional statistics to make you point actually relevant do you?

baldbear · 28-03-2014 10:15AM

"I hear you're a racist now father".

sillyoulfool · 28-03-2014 10:16AM

Hitchens wrote: »

Well, he's called it as a lot of people see it, fair dues to him whether you agree with him or not.

Fair dues to him for what?
He has now publicly displayed an irrational bias so wrong that he will have to either choose to recuse himself from any trial involving a member of the Muslim faith, or be removed from hearing any such case by a superior court.

Canis Lupus · 28-03-2014 10:16AM

sillyoulfool wrote: »

The overwhelming number of cases of wife beating in this country are carried out by non Muslims, indeed since 80% of those who responded to the last census described themselves as Roman Catholic, one could argue, albeit unfairly, that it appears to be a Roman Catholic trait.

Don't be silly. The majority of catholics in Ireland are white so your logic doesn't apply.

Gatling · 28-03-2014 10:17AM

sillyoulfool wrote: »

The overwhelming number of cases of wife beating in this country are carried out by non Muslims, indeed since 80% of those who responded to the last census described themselves as Roman Catholic, one could argue, albeit unfairly, that it appears to be a Roman Catholic trait.

Personally I prefer human trait religion has some blame but in a situation where wives seem to be considered 3rd class citizens in certain cultures

ThisRegard · 28-03-2014 10:20AM

Cian92 wrote: »

Judge Anthony Halpin seems to have a better grasp of reality than most Judges, Earlier in the year he said there was 'a total breakdown of social order' in Tallaght.

Are you for real ? He also said the "civil defence" should be sent out on the streets of Tallaght. He's cracked.

sillyoulfool · 28-03-2014 10:21AM

Bio Mech wrote: »

I assume you have proportional statistics to make you point actually relevant do you?

Number of declared RC members in last Census=80%
Simple extrapolation from that indicates the majority of crimes are committed by members of that group.
Like I say it is a highly unfair way to describe Roman Catholics, but that is the crazed and deluded logic that this yolk of a judge used to insult Islam.
My point was not an attack on Catholics it was to show how dangerous and intolerant it is to make sweeping and insulting generalizations.

sillyoulfool · 28-03-2014 10:25AM

Gatling wrote: »

He broke into her house ,he broke a barring order and was carrying a knife ,
The protection/ barring order certainly wasn't issued for nothing ,
The ex wife didn't withdraw the case because of the comment ,

A deportation order should be a choice if the now ex husband keeps this crap up

No he didn't.
Can you link to where he was found guilty of anything?
Thanks to the lunatic actions of a racist judge he left court without any conviction.
Actually, she did withdraw her case immediately after the comment, but sure the judge has just insulted her faith as well.

gallag · 28-03-2014 10:28AM

Did a Muslim mod on here not voice his belief it was Ok to show the little lady the back of the hand? Unfortunately a lot of Muslims do believe this and should not be ignored like other religious barbarity like female genital mutilation! It's not that Muslims are more likely to be at this simply because of their religion, more they are slightly less educated on equal rights between the sexes!

Our mothers, sisters, wives and daughters are our equal (except for time management) and every person, regardless of belief will conform to this belief, non negotiable!

Cian92 · 28-03-2014 10:30AM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Are you for real ? He also said the "civil defence" should be sent out on the streets of Tallaght. He's cracked.

It's been a few months since I was in Tallaght but I can see where he is coming from. Last time I was there. there were even posters up all around the place asking us to dial a certain number to stop drug dealing! My only concern is how effective would the civil defence be.

Gatling · 28-03-2014 10:30AM

sillyoulfool wrote: »

No he didn't.
Can you link to where he was found guilty of anything?
Thanks to the lunatic actions of a racist judge he left court without any conviction.
Actually, she did withdraw her case immediately after the comment, but sure the judge has just insulted her faith as well.

No he didn't ?????

How did you come to that conclusion ??

And no she didn't immediately withdraw after the comment

Where you did you read that ??

Oink · 28-03-2014 10:36AM

Hitchens wrote: »

[...] he thinks "Muslims feel they can actually beat their wives" [...]

Well, he's called it as a lot of people see it, fair dues to him whether you agree with him or not.

OP, you don't actually say what YOU think. You only say that a lot of people agree.

Do YOU think "Muslims", meaning all of 1.6 billion of them, "feel [men] can actually beat their wives"? Because the judge didn't say "some" or "most". He said "muslims".

Santa Cruz · 28-03-2014 10:44AM

D1stant wrote: »

Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

That said, you can find some fairly medieval stuff in the Bible too

It's me culture that allows me bate the wife boss.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 28-03-2014 10:46AM

Couldn't you legally rape your wife in this country because of laws arising from 'our' Catholic faith.

Let's hate all religious indoctrination equally.

Kum bay ya, kum bayfucking ya!

Plazaman · 28-03-2014 10:54AM

Thread has reminded me of Sean Connerys quote years ago

I don’t think theresh is anything particularly wrong about hitting a woman–although I don’t recommend doing it in the shhame way that you’d hit a man. An openhanded shhlap is justified–if all other alternatives fail and there has been plenty of warning. If a woman ish a bitch, or hyshhterical, or bloody-minded continually, then I’d do it.

I've deliberatley added a few extra "sh"'s and "hh"'s as it needs to be read in his Shhcottishh accshent.

ThisRegard · 28-03-2014 10:57AM

Cian92 wrote: »

It's been a few months since I was in Tallaght but I can see where he is coming from. Last time I was there. there were even posters up all around the place asking us to dial a certain number to stop drug dealing! My only concern is how effective would the civil defence be.

You need to get out more often if those signs, seen the country, nay the world, over, scare you.

sillyoulfool · 28-03-2014 11:01AM

Gatling wrote: »

No he didn't ?????

How did you come to that conclusion ??

And no she didn't immediately withdraw after the comment

Where you did you read that ??

Still waiting on your link to his conviction.
You stated as a matter of fact that he had engaged in actions of which he has not convicted, or is it just a case of that when it comes to Muslims, they are all guilty until proven innocent with you!

GalwayGuy2 · 28-03-2014 11:06AM

Originally Posted by sillyoulfool View Post
The overwhelming number of cases of wife beating in this country are carried out by non Muslims, indeed since 80% of those who responded to the last census described themselves as Roman Catholic, one could argue, albeit unfairly, that it appears to be a Roman Catholic trait.

Eh, I agree with what the point you are trying to make, but I genuinely hate the way some people make those points.

It's kind of like saying:

'Look, we can't generalize by religion. Muslim people are different and they're not all burnin' bibles. And, who are we to talk? Our countries full of pedo chaotlichs. ****in' catholics'

@SeanChonery qoute

That sounds bizarely egalitarian. The word 'hysterical' makes me dubious, but he does seem to treat both men and women the same.

Couldn't you legally rape your wife in this country because of laws arising from 'our' Catholic faith.

I keep hearing that. Can anybody qpute the law that says a man can rape his wife or a woman cannot not consent?

28-03-2014 11:09AM

sillyoulfool wrote: »

the racist judge went on a rant..

It's a religion not a race

Judge calls it

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