Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 28-03-2014 08:44AM

Jumboman wrote: »

Thats democracy for ya. The majority of irish people think hes a great man.

Well, actually, no - it isn't.

Unless the radio station in quesation actually ASKED "the majority of Irish people" then it is neither a) the majority of Irish people saying ANYTHING; nor b) democracy. And that's assuming there was a radio survey in the first place - no way we can be in any way sure with you.

So we're back to the point where you're making stuff up and hoping no-one will notice.

Billy86 · 28-03-2014 10:33AM

Jumboman wrote: »

You could say the same thing about the rapist scumbag in athlone since he got life anyway he could of killed the girls.

What happened to 'life' not being enough of a deterrent?

Murder is a lot harder to cover up than rape. There are priests who have raped 100s of people are we suppose to believe they would murder every victim if the death penalty was bought in ?

How do you know? For all you or I are aware there are plenty of serial killers out there even know who have never been caught and possibly never will. Because unlike paedophile priests and the likes, there is nobody to blow the whistle on them.

silverbolt · 28-03-2014 10:53AM

looking_around wrote: »

And what about those who are innocent? There have been many cases where everything proved they were guilty only for years later to be found innocent.
At least if they're alive, they can get some thing of their life back.

Also death penalty mostly punishes family of the criminal. Death is merely and end,.. not a punishment. They should be worked, and hard.

that is my issue with teh death penalty.

I am in a favour of it - for certain crimes especially sexual abuse crimes. But ONLY if thier is 100% irrefutable proof that the person is guilty

It is better that 100 guilty walk away than 1 innocent man goes to the gallows

Joeface · 28-03-2014 12:34PM

for the death penalty while some crimes may warrant it and besides running the risk of kill the wrong person I always felt putting the death of those people on someone else was also wrong , The firing squad all have a death on them , The guy who flips the switches , or pushes the button (electric chair , lethal injection). whether they agree with it or not all those deaths on an executioner is as cruel as the sentence its self. If the victims families were given the choice to inflict the sentence I am pretty sure many would walk away

Jumboman · 28-03-2014 05:52PM

end of the road wrote: »

in your opinion, a pole on a troll phone in show on a radio station does not constitute the majority of irish peoples views, he will get support from the traveler haters and a few delusianelests who think they can behave like wild animals but he won't be getting any from me and many others, i won't be changing my opinion on him, now back to the death penalty

Your the only one who bought up the fact that he was a traveler.

Anybody who makes a career out of breaking into peoples houses deserves to have lethal force used against them.

The fact that he was a traveler is neither here nor there.

Jumboman · 28-03-2014 06:13PM

Billy86 wrote: »

What happened to 'life' not being enough of a deterrent?

How do you know? For all you or I are aware there are plenty of serial killers out there even know who have never been caught and possibly never will. Because unlike paedophile priests and the likes, there is nobody to blow the whistle on them.

Because "life" in Ireland means about 12 years.

There are very few serial killers in Ireland but lots of peados how often do you hear about kids going missing ?

Jumboman · 28-03-2014 06:16PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Well, actually, no - it isn't.

Unless the radio station in quesation actually ASKED "the majority of Irish people" then it is neither a) the majority of Irish people saying ANYTHING; nor b) democracy. And that's assuming there was a radio survey in the first place - no way we can be in any way sure with you.

So we're back to the point where you're making stuff up and hoping no-one will notice.

How is it not democracy when everybody in his town supported him ?

Everyone I spoke to thought it was a disgrace that Mr Nally was even arrested.

end of the road · 28-03-2014 06:39PM

Jumboman wrote: »

How is it not democracy when everybody in his town supported him ?

Everyone I spoke to thought it was a disgrace that Mr Nally was even arrested.

couldn't care a less what they think, they wouldn't have the balls to not support him, they probably all know him personally, either way he needed to be arrested and charged for the protection of society

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 28-03-2014 08:21PM

Jumboman wrote: »

How is it not democracy when everybody in his town supported him ?

Everyone I spoke to thought it was a disgrace that Mr Nally was even arrested.

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a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

Going off topic here. I don't entriely disagree with you on this one, but you most certainly can not claim that a radio poll is "democratic" and you've shifted from "the majority of Irish people" to "everyone in his town" to "everyone [you] spoke to". That's some downsizing.

Hitchens · 28-03-2014 10:13PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

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hi Princess, howaya doin'? :cool:

Jumboman · 28-03-2014 10:35PM

end of the road wrote: »

couldn't care a less what they think, they wouldn't have the balls to not support him, they probably all know him personally, either way he needed to be arrested and charged for the protection of society

Mr Nally is not a danger to society. The only people who should fear him are scumbag burglars.

If we had more Padraig Nallys there would be a lot less crime in Ireland.

But because we live in a politically correct country if somebody stands up to a scumbag they can viewed as the criminal.

We need to get rid of these politically correct laws and put the law on the side of decent people.

Billy86 · 28-03-2014 11:19PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Because "life" in Ireland means about 12 years.

There are very few serial killers in Ireland but lots of peados how often do you hear about kids going missing ?

You can't be serious? There's been numerous in the after hours forum alone recently, even without the death penalty which would see it jump right up or all those who went missing in the 90s. After all, as I said, the death sentence would mean disposing of the victims would just mean the same sentence anyway, if caught. And I never said anything against longer sentences at all.

But YOU are the one who said the guy from Athlone would have killed the girls because of the current life sentence in Ireland if he was going to do so facing the death penalty. Explain that please, because otherwise you just equated the current 'life' sentence with the death penalty and are completely contradicting yourself.

Jumboman · 28-03-2014 11:24PM

Billy86 wrote: »

You can't be serious? There's been numerous in the after hours forum alone recently, even without the death penalty which would see it jump right up or all those who went missing in the 90s. After all, as I said, the death sentence would mean disposing of the victims would just mean the same sentence anyway, if caught. And I never said anything against longer sentences at all.

But YOU are the one who said the guy from Athlone would have killed the girls because of the current life sentence in Ireland if he was going to do so facing the death penalty. Explain that please, because otherwise you just equated the current 'life' sentence with the death penalty and are completely contradicting yourself.

I didnt say he would of killed them I said he could of. The botton line is that this scumbag will be out in about 10 years.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 28-03-2014 11:46PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Mr Nally is not a danger to society. The only people who should fear him are scumbag burglars.

If we had more Padraig Nallys there would be a lot less crime in Ireland.

But because we live in a politically correct country if somebody stands up to a scumbag they can viewed as the criminal.

We need to get rid of these politically correct laws and put the law on the side of decent people.

There'd be a lot more crime, you mean. The number of murder/manslaugher cases would go through the roof - they wouldn't all be intruders intent on burgling the place.

I'd also argue that Nally was very much a danger to society based on how paranoid he was. Spending 5 hours in a shed with a loaded gun waiting for someone to take out anyone on his property? It's just fortunaute he didn't take out the bloody postman.

I'd be curious to know, if he HAD taken out an innocent bystander, would you still be calling him a hero or still arguing for the death penalty?

Fr. Ned · 29-03-2014 12:44AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

There'd be a lot more crime, you mean. The number of murder/manslaugher cases would go through the roof - they wouldn't all be intruders intent on burgling the place.

I'd also argue that Nally was very much a danger to society based on how paranoid he was. Spending 5 hours in a shed with a loaded gun waiting for someone to take out anyone on his property? It's just fortunaute he didn't take out the bloody postman.

I'd be curious to know, if he HAD taken out an innocent bystander, would you still be calling him a hero or still arguing for the death penalty?

The man was under siege from traveller gangs for years and had no protection from the state.

He deserves a medal for doing what he did.

end of the road · 29-03-2014 12:54AM

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Fr. Ned wrote: »

The man was under siege from traveller gangs for years and had no protection from the state.

what do you expect the state to have done? if their was no evidence to prosecute these gangs then theirs nothing that could be done

Fr. Ned wrote: »

He deserves a medal for doing what he did.

no he doesn't, he deserves to be locked up for the rest of his life away from the society of which he is a danger to

Fr. Ned · 29-03-2014 01:00AM

end of the road wrote: »

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what do you expect the state to have done? if their was no evidence to prosecute these gangs then theirs nothing that could be done

no he doesn't, he deserves to be locked up for the rest of his life away from the society of which he is a danger to

If you think that Padraig Nally is a danger to society then you know nothing about the man.

It's the do good brigade that allow thugs to roam this country terrorising people.

Thankfully, because of the Nally case, we now have the legal protection to protect our homes from these thugs.

end of the road · 29-03-2014 01:18AM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

If you think that Padraig Nally is a danger to society then you know nothing about the man.

i wouldn't want to, a murderous beast who needs to be locked up

Fr. Ned wrote: »

It's the do good brigade that allow thugs to roam this country terrorising people.

wrong, people won't go to court and testify against people and evidence can be very hard to get on these people.

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Thankfully, because of the Nally case, we now have the legal protection to protect our homes from these thugs.

no its not because of that case, you could always use reasonable force, murdering someone and telling a sob story isn't reasonable force, anyway we'l never agree so back to the death penalty, i believe it has failed and the evidence agrees.

Fr. Ned · 29-03-2014 01:25AM

I would support the death penalty for paedophiles.

I do support the use of reasonable force, if that includes killing somebody who is intent on killing me or any member of my family, so be it.

BTW, Nally wasn't telling a 'sob story'. The man was tormented for years.

osarusan · 29-03-2014 01:41AM

The Nally case has nothing whatsoever to do with the death penalty.

Jumboman · 29-03-2014 02:04AM

end of the road wrote: »

i wouldn't want to, a murderous beast who needs to be locked up
It's the do good brigade that allow thugs to roam this country terrorising people.
wrong, people won't go to court and testify against people and evidence can be very hard to get on these people.

no its not because of that case, you could always use reasonable force, murdering someone and telling a sob story isn't reasonable force, anyway we'l never agree so back to the death penalty, i believe it has failed and the evidence agrees.

Now whos using tabloid sensationalist language ?

Jumboman · 29-03-2014 02:06AM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

If you think that Padraig Nally is a danger to society then you know nothing about the man.

It's the do good brigade that allow thugs to roam this country terrorising people.

Thankfully, because of the Nally case, we now have the legal protection to protect our homes from these thugs.

Anybody with any common sense can see that Mr Nally is a good man.

End of the road is just an apologist for house breakers.

Jumboman · 29-03-2014 02:13AM

end of the road wrote: »

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what do you expect the state to have done? if their was no evidence to prosecute these gangs then theirs nothing that could be done

no he doesn't, he deserves to be locked up for the rest of his life away from the society of which he is a danger to

The scumbag that attacked him had over 80 convictions yet he was still roaming the streets.

While the state failed to stop this scumbag, Mr Nally was able to step in and put an end to this one man crime wave thus making mayo a safer place.

Jumboman · 29-03-2014 02:15AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

There'd be a lot more crime, you mean. The number of murder/manslaugher cases would go through the roof - they wouldn't all be intruders intent on burgling the place.

I'd also argue that Nally was very much a danger to society based on how paranoid he was. Spending 5 hours in a shed with a loaded gun waiting for someone to take out anyone on his property? It's just fortunaute he didn't take out the bloody postman.

I'd be curious to know, if he HAD taken out an innocent bystander, would you still be calling him a hero or still arguing for the death penalty?

If somebody breaks into your house there not an "innocent bystander".

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 29-03-2014 11:43AM

Jumboman wrote: »

Anybody with any common sense can see that Mr Nally is a good man.

End of the road is just an apologist for house breakers.

He is an ill man, that wsa my point - but I'm not trying to portray him as evil.

Jumboman wrote: »

If somebody breaks into your house there not an "innocent bystander".

My point is: if he shot someone mistakenly beleiveing they were trying to break in (obviously). Then would you have accepted the death penalty for him, or would he have still been a hero?

Fr. Ned wrote: »

The man was under siege from traveller gangs for years and had no protection from the state.

He deserves a medal for doing what he did.

No mention of a siege in either court case. Same question though: if he'd shot someone he thought was trying to break in, should he have gotten the death penalty?

Fr. Ned · 29-03-2014 12:07PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

He is an ill man, that wsa my point - but I'm not trying to portray him as evil.

Same question though: if he'd shot someone he thought was trying to break in, should he have gotten the death penalty?

Are you stating that Padraig Nally is mentally ill?

Why would he get the death penalty for protecting himself and his property?

Billy86 · 29-03-2014 04:14PM

Jumboman wrote: »

I didnt say he would of killed them I said he could of. The botton line is that this scumbag will be out in about 10 years.

You said "You could say the same thing about the rapist scumbag in athlone since he got life anyway he could of killed the girls" in response to me mentioning how rapists were more likely to murder victims if they were facing the death sentence.

And why are you even mentioning him anyway? The girls escaped, he didnt let them go, and we have no idea if he would have killed them or not otherwise. So he has zero relevance whatsoever and is (shock!) no more than an emotive talking point.

As you yourself said, many rapists and the like know they will be out in 10 years time. But they also know that if the shoot/stab/etc the police when they are getting arrested, or piles of their victims, that the sentences can be extended. So they have incentive not to do so. If they know that the sentence will be death regardless, then what is to stop them choosing to go down in a blaze of glory, taking others wit them, rather tan sitting on death row for months or years, waiting to die?

And that is before even mentioning the benefits of studying these people and why they are how they are to try and prevent it in future. What benefit of the death penalty outweighs that? Dont say lower chances of these crime happening by the way, because not only as that been sown false, but the opposite as actually been shown to be the case.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 29-03-2014 04:38PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Are you stating that Padraig Nally is mentally ill?

Why would he get the death penalty for protecting himself and his property?

Please go back and read my posts again.

shroom007 · 29-03-2014 04:58PM

I hope Mr Nally has invested in a Gatlin Gun,
Justice in Ireland Ask my Ars*
He did what he did because the state failed him and failed to deal with
the age ole problem of Travellers theiving conning people in rural areas

Ward would still be alive if he had'nt been there "on the rob" tough ****
and good riddance

support for the death penalty would probably be a lot lower if we had more robust
sentencing and proper punishment but we dont and the whole system needs to be overhauled it is a joke and is treated as such by criminal scum

Piliger · 29-03-2014 05:32PM

shroom007 wrote: »

I hope Mr Nally has invested in a Gatlin Gun,
Justice in Ireland Ask my Ars*
He did what he did because the state failed him and failed to deal with
the age ole problem of Travellers theiving conning people in rural areas

Ward would still be alive if he had'nt been there "on the rob" tough ****
and good riddance

support for the death penalty would probably be a lot lower if we had more robust
sentencing and proper punishment but we dont and the whole system needs to be overhauled it is a joke and is treated as such by criminal scum

I thank goodness we don't have the kind of nanny state you support. sh1t happens. He rid the land of a piece of vermin. There is very very little support for the death penalty so I don't see any interest in the issue in today's Ireland.

Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

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