Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

shroom007 · 26-03-2014 09:01PM

of course there will still be victims but not ones of repeat offenders.

end of the road · 26-03-2014 09:49PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Your a way with the fairies. Nobody should be prosecuted for defending their home.

no, but if they injour or take a life then they have to be locked up as their a danger to society

end of the road · 26-03-2014 09:51PM

shroom007 wrote: »

of course there will still be victims but not ones of repeat offenders.

no they will just be victims of new offenders, so therefore the offending and re-offending rate won't come down

Jumboman · 26-03-2014 10:17PM

end of the road wrote: »

no, but if they injour or take a life then they have to be locked up as their a danger to society

Your talking nonsense. Padraig Nally is not a danger to society.

end of the road · 26-03-2014 10:35PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Your talking nonsense. Padraig Nally is not a danger to society.

he is

Jumboman · 26-03-2014 10:54PM

end of the road wrote: »

he is

How ?

I'd feel safer if I lived beside Padraig Nally.

end of the road · 26-03-2014 11:02PM

Jumboman wrote: »

How?

he's a dangerous psycopathic criminal who should have been locked up and taken out of society.

Jumboman wrote: »

I'd feel safer if I lived beside Padraig Nally.

no you wouldn't

Jumboman · 26-03-2014 11:07PM

end of the road wrote: »

he's a dangerous psycopathic criminal who should have been locked up and taken out of society.

no you wouldn't

No he is not a criminal show me what convictions he has ?

Hes not a psycopathic either the man only killed because he was in fear of his life.

Mr Nally done us all a favour by putting down a violent career criminal who had over 80 convictions.

wicklowstevo · 26-03-2014 11:38PM

i wouldn't mind living next to Nally Probably give us both some piece of mind

Holsten · 26-03-2014 11:44PM

Jumboman wrote: »

No he is not a criminal show me what convictions he has ?

Hes not a psycopathic either the man only killed because he was in fear of his life.

Mr Nally done us all a favour by putting down a violent career criminal who had over 80 convictions.

I'm 100% against the Death Penalty but I completely understand what Nally did. The guy he killed was a complete scumbag and in my view if someone breaks into your house they leave themselves open to that type of retaliation.

I would have preferred he went to trial and through the system but I wouldn't have blamed Nally and it seems neither did the jury.

end of the road · 26-03-2014 11:52PM

he got a sympathetic jury who believed his sob story, anyway back to the death penalty, has no place here, its 2014 not 1814

on the river · 27-03-2014 12:14AM

end of the road wrote: »

he got a sympathetic jury who believed his sob story, anyway back to the death penalty, has no place here, its 2014 not 1814

you are missing the point. Nally used the death penalty. the jury rightfully judged in favour of nally because the situation he was in.

therefore in circumstances where you are under threat you have a right to

defend yourself and if needs be kill your attacker.

Piliger · 27-03-2014 12:19AM

end of the road wrote: »

no, but if they injour or take a life then they have to be locked up as their a danger to society

No they should be rewarded with a medal and freedom of the city.

Piliger · 27-03-2014 12:20AM

Jumboman wrote: »

Your talking nonsense. Padraig Nally is not a danger to society.

He is a hero. Sound man. Job well done.

end of the road · 27-03-2014 12:21AM

on the river wrote: »

you are missing the point. Nally used the death penalty. the jury rightfully judged in favour of nally because the situation he was in.

therefore in circumstances where you are under threat you have a right to

defend yourself and if needs be kill your attacker.

no, the right to use reasonable force, killing isn't reasonable force, fact is he got a sympathetic jury who bought his sob story, another one may have convicted him which he should have been, either way i've no sympathy for him or anyone who does what he did, just as trashy as the gangland criminals

Jumboman · 27-03-2014 12:27AM

end of the road wrote: »

no, the right to use reasonable force, killing isn't reasonable force, fact is he got a sympathetic jury who bought his sob story, another one may have convicted him which he should have been, either way i've no sympathy for him or anyone who does what he did, just as trashy as the gangland criminals

All Mr Nally did was defend him self. Your away with the fairies defending house breakers.

If someone breaks into someones elses house then should expect lethal force to be used against them.

on the river · 27-03-2014 12:30AM

end of the road wrote: »

no, the right to use reasonable force, killing isn't reasonable force, fact is he got a sympathetic jury who bought his sob story, another one may have convicted him which he should have been, either way i've no sympathy for him or anyone who does what he did, just as trashy as the gangland criminals

i acknowledge what you are saying and yes you are right nobody should be treated like trash.

However as i already said the death penalty should be brought in as a final

punishment for any criminal no matter what class.

in theory everybody is equal under the law.

end of the road · 27-03-2014 12:35AM

Piliger wrote: »

He is a hero. Sound man. Job well done.

wrong, scumbag, trash, got away with it

on the river · 27-03-2014 12:37AM

end of the road wrote: »

wrong, scumbag, trash, got away with it

calm down. i understand this is a sensitive issue for you.

Jumboman · 27-03-2014 12:38AM

end of the road wrote: »

wrong, scumbag, trash, got away with it

How is somebody who defends their home a scumbag ?

end of the road · 27-03-2014 12:39AM

Jumboman wrote: »

All Mr Nally did was defend him self.

i don't believe that was what he was doing, i believe their was more to it, he told a sob story and was believed

Jumboman wrote: »

If someone breaks into someones elses house then should expect lethal force to be used against them.

no, one is not entitled to use lethal force, allowing them to means the burdlers will bring even more lethal force meaning more people get hurt

end of the road · 27-03-2014 12:40AM

on the river wrote: »

i acknowledge what you are saying and yes you are right nobody should be treated like trash. everybody is equal under the law.

completely agree

Billy86 · 27-03-2014 12:47AM

on the river wrote: »

The death penalty would solve many of your issues raised.

Nope.

The Jury system would give a fair and unbiased verdict in any murder case.

Nope.

Nope nope nope. "(i) juries formed from all-white jury pools convict black defendants significantly (16 percentage points) more often than white defendants and (ii) this gap in conviction rates is entirely eliminated when the jury pool includes at least one black member." ... "He found that white-on-black killings were more than twice as likely to be found "justified" as white-on-white killings, and more than three times as likely in stand-your-ground states."

Is it just an American issue alone? Nope... "A study published last year by three University of Leiden criminologists of 365 trials at 10 Dutch courts found that "Dutch-looking" Dutch citizens received jail sentences for such offences 11% of the time. "Foreign-looking" Dutch citizens, generally those who appeared to have Middle-Eastern, black, or eastern-European ancestry, received jail sentences 28% of the time. (Actual foreigners who did not speak Dutch received jail sentences more than half the time.)"

shroom007 wrote: »

of course there will still be victims but not ones of repeat offenders.

Nope.

And one more time, because people seem to be trying to ignore it for some reason (I just wonder why...): http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

Jumboman · 27-03-2014 02:41AM

Billy86 wrote: »

Nope.

Nope.

Nope nope nope. "(i) juries formed from all-white jury pools convict black defendants significantly (16 percentage points) more often than white defendants and (ii) this gap in conviction rates is entirely eliminated when the jury pool includes at least one black member." ... "He found that white-on-black killings were more than twice as likely to be found "justified" as white-on-white killings, and more than three times as likely in stand-your-ground states."

Is it just an American issue alone? Nope... "A study published last year by three University of Leiden criminologists of 365 trials at 10 Dutch courts found that "Dutch-looking" Dutch citizens received jail sentences for such offences 11% of the time. "Foreign-looking" Dutch citizens, generally those who appeared to have Middle-Eastern, black, or eastern-European ancestry, received jail sentences 28% of the time. (Actual foreigners who did not speak Dutch received jail sentences more than half the time.)"

Nope.

And one more time, because people seem to be trying to ignore it for some reason (I just wonder why...): http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

What has that got to do with anything ? some minority groups commit disproportionate amounts of crime compared with the general population. So its only natural they will end up in court.

I dont care what race the person is a scumbag is a scumbag.

27-03-2014 02:56AM

It would be great if we had a justice system which acted as a deterrent, public services should be limited and gauged on how someone behaves in society.

There should be prison ships coasting within our waters with our scum, if they go down, well, sh!t floats...

What was the question again...

mrsbyrne · 27-03-2014 10:05AM

end of the road wrote: »

i don't believe that was what he was doing, i believe their was more to it, he told a sob story and was believed

no, one is not entitled to use lethal force, allowing them to means the burdlers will bring even more lethal force meaning more people get hurt

So, please tell us EOTR, you wake at 5am to find a stranger walking down the stairs with your 5year old in his arms, how do you react?
(This happened near to my home, the perp went on to murder savagely after being released on bail)

Billy86 · 27-03-2014 11:00AM

Jumboman wrote: »

What has that got to do with anything ? some minority groups commit disproportionate amounts of crime compared with the general population. So its only natural they will end up in court.

I dont care what race the person is a scumbag is a scumbag.

Read more carefully. That is not percentage of population brought to court. It is percentage of population found guilty in court. Note the difference with just one black juror vs an all white jury. This concept some have of all juries being noble, unbiased and completely objective has repeatedly been proven utterly false.

And still nobody has responded even once to why there are higher murder rates in states in the US that have the death penalty vs those that don't, consistently and pronounced over at least 20 straight years. Why is that? I must have linked to it 10-15 times in this thread yet not one response room the pro death penalty crowd. Huh.

Jumboman · 27-03-2014 01:34PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

So, please tell us EOTR, you wake at 5am to find a stranger walking down the stairs with your 5year old in his arms, how do you react?
(This happened near to my home, the perp went on to murder savagely after being released on bail)

Our freind end of the road would probably make him a cup of tea.

Jumboman · 27-03-2014 01:42PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Read more carefully. That is not percentage of population brought to court. It is percentage of population found guilty in court. Note the difference with just one black juror vs an all white jury. This concept some have of all juries being noble, unbiased and completely objective has repeatedly been proven utterly false.

As I said certain groups in society commit disproportionate amounts of crime so it follows they will have a higher conviction rate than the mainstream population. Theres nothing unusual about that unless you want to play the minority card.

And still nobody has responded even once to why there are higher murder rates in states in the US that have the death penalty vs those that don't, consistently and pronounced over at least 20 straight years. Why is that? I must have linked to it 10-15 times in this thread yet not one response room the pro death penalty crowd. Huh.

You can get states to come up with anything. The bottom line is that if you put down a rapist they will never rape someone again. Thats not rocket science.

Santa Cruz · 27-03-2014 01:50PM

end of the road wrote: »

i don't believe that was what he was doing, i believe their was more to it, he told a sob story and was believed

no, one is not entitled to use lethal force, allowing them to means the burdlers will bring even more lethal force meaning more people get hurt

Any reasonable person who read the complete reports on what Nally did knows exactly what happened and how extreme was his reaction. I could not justify his actions. If I woke in the night and heard someone coming up the stairs then if I had a gun I would give a warning. If the criminal didn't retreat then certainly I would fire. But if he is running out the door I wouldn't follow and finish him off on the driveway

Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

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