Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

mikemac1 · 26-03-2014 11:38AM

1713 posts on the thread and you are calling everyone ignorant :rolleyes:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 26-03-2014 11:48AM

mikemac1 wrote: »

1713 posts on the thread and you are calling everyone ignorant :rolleyes:

Read the post - I'm calling the people who activiely refused to do any research ignorant. I've done mine - I know the costs, the moral objections, the consequences and the alternatives. You'll find evidence of this in my previous posts.

Mr. Williams and "river" were guessing. River refused to read linked documentation in order to help him make an informed decision. THAT'S ignornat.

Just to be clear: I didn't mean to tar you with the same brush (although it looks a bit like I did) - I don't know if you know how long it takes an appeal for a murder or a rape conviction in this country to be processed (I don't - but then I never claimed that I did) but you did appear to be guessing. That's why I asked.

end of the road · 26-03-2014 03:13PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

That how long it took back in the day. Google any famous case like Manning or Bentley and there was none of this 10 years of appeals.

meaning that for all we know they could have been innocent

Jumboman · 26-03-2014 05:48PM

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

Not too sure where you're getting this from. Methinks you're twisting words to back up your ridiculous position.
Every definition I can find has it "unlawful" killing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder

Probably because no reasonable person would kill another human

Thats bullsh1t. It happens all the time when people have to defend themselves against scumbags. Could you blame the parents of the girls who got raped in athlone for wanting to take the law into their own hands ? its only natural that the victims of crime would want to seek revenge.

Jumboman · 26-03-2014 05:51PM

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

Ironically, the only people here who would make them victims are those who advocate murdering them in revenge killings

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

Its time we started putting the victims ahead of criminals.

shroom007 · 26-03-2014 06:01PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

This is exactly what I mean when I say the only interest you have is in the death penalty and not the victims.

hang them and there wont be anymore victims.

A particular cockroach who raped and beat a woman almost to death on the north of the city was released last week,that cockroach will do it again the guards know it the probation service know it,
what about his (next) victim.

this disease should have been eradicated the moment he was found guilty.

Jumboman · 26-03-2014 06:10PM

osarusan wrote: »

I'd support a boards ban for anybody who argues that capital punishment is a deterrent.

Bans also for those who portray only two scenarios: executed crimimanls or criminals living beside you.

#osarusanforchange

They should ban anyone who wants to close down the debate and suppress freedom of speech.

on the river · 26-03-2014 06:18PM

osarusan wrote: »

I'd support a boards ban for anybody who argues that capital punishment is a deterrent.

Bans also for those who portray only two scenarios: executed crimimanls or criminals living beside you.

#osarusanforchange

let free speech rein . everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Mal-Adjusted · 26-03-2014 06:24PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Thats bullsh1t. It happens all the time when people have to defend themselves against scumbags.

But you've never once talked about self-defense. You're confusing that with revenge killings and are just calling it "self-defense" because you won't admit to your mistake.

Jumboman wrote: »

Could you blame the parents of the girls who got raped in athlone for wanting to take the law into their own hands ?

No, I can't blame them, but I certainly couldn't condone them going out and murdering their child's attacker.

Jumboman wrote: »

its only natural that the victims of crime would want to seek revenge.

Which is why they have no say as to the types of punishments dished out.

Jumboman wrote: »

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

Then the whole forest burns down

Christy42 · 26-03-2014 06:28PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

Its time we started putting the victims ahead of criminals.

Rarely works as intended. I think better services for victims would help them a lot more.

Piliger · 26-03-2014 06:29PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

Its time we started putting the victims ahead of criminals.

No. It's time we told victims to shut the fcuk up and let the criminal law system deal with.

wp_rathead · 26-03-2014 06:30PM

Jumboman wrote: »

They should ban anyone who wants to close down the debate and suppress freedom of speech.

delicious irony there in fairness

on the river · 26-03-2014 06:31PM

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

But you've never once talked about self-defense. You're confusing that with revenge killings and are just calling it "self-defense" because you won't admit to your mistake.

No, I can't blame them, but I certainly couldn't condone them going out and murdering their child's attacker.

Which is why they have no say as to the types of punishments dished out.

Then the whole forest burns down

The death penalty would solve many of your issues raised.

The Jury system would give a fair and unbiased verdict in any murder case.

The death penalty should be used by the jury as a final and lasting punishment especially if the accused is a reoffender.

The victims family should be allowed which kind of death penalty be given to the convicted criminal.

The death in my view should be used for reoffenders and brutel murders .

If the convicted is a real danger to the public and has caused numerous deaths the death penalty would be the best option.

wp_rathead · 26-03-2014 06:34PM

on the river wrote: »

The victims family should be allowed which kind of death penalty be given to the convicted criminal.

that is rather disturbing River

on the river · 26-03-2014 06:34PM

Piliger wrote: »

No. It's time we told victims to shut the fcuk up and let the criminal law system deal with.

very harsh and cold remarks. the familes suffer everyday after their loved ones death.

I think you should show at least respect to theses grieving families.

Mal-Adjusted · 26-03-2014 06:39PM

on the river wrote: »

The death penalty would solve many of your issues raised.

like what?

on the river wrote: »

The Jury system would give a fair and unbiased verdict in any murder case.

Aren't they suppose to do that anyway?

on the river wrote: »

The death penalty should be used by the jury as a final and lasting punishment especially if the accused is a reoffender.

why? why not just have tougher prison sentences? no need to get your hands bloody.

on the river wrote: »

The victims family should be allowed which kind of death penalty be given to the convicted criminal.

ah yes, because that'll bring "closure" apparently :rolleyes:

on the river wrote: »

The death in my view should be used for reoffenders and brutel murders .
If the convicted is a real danger to the public and has caused numerous deaths the death penalty would be the best option.

see above.

end of the road · 26-03-2014 07:12PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Thats bullsh1t. It happens all the time when people have to defend themselves against scumbags. Could you blame the parents of the girls who got raped in athlone for wanting to take the law into their own hands ? its only natural that the victims of crime would want to seek revenge.

i would blame them, and i'd expect that they would be locked up if they did

end of the road · 26-03-2014 07:13PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

Its time we started putting the victims ahead of criminals.

we do put victims ahead of criminals

Jumboman · 26-03-2014 07:14PM

Piliger wrote: »

No. It's time we told victims to shut the fcuk up and let the criminal law system deal with.

Our "justice" system lets the likes of larry murphy freely roam the streets looking for his next victim.

Jumboman · 26-03-2014 07:20PM

end of the road wrote: »

we do put victims ahead of criminals

No we dont criminals get an easy ride in this country.

If you attack somebody who breaks into your house you could end of in court.

Its an insane system which makes criminals out of decent hard working people just for standing up to scumbags.

end of the road · 26-03-2014 07:21PM

on the river wrote: »

The death penalty would solve many of your issues raised.

W, R, O, N, G.

on the river wrote: »

The Jury system would give a fair and unbiased verdict in any murder case.

lol

on the river wrote: »

The death penalty should be used by the jury as a final and lasting punishment especially if the accused is a reoffender.

the jury shouldn't have a say in the punishment, thats one of the biggest mistakes of some of the states systems in america

on the river wrote: »

The victims family should be allowed which kind of death penalty be given to the convicted criminal.

no, they shouldn't get a say either

on the river wrote: »

The death in my view should be used for reoffenders and brutel murders .

why them and not all crimes? what if the reoffenders have only commited small crimes? a load of nonsense

on the river wrote: »

If the convicted is a real danger to the public and has caused numerous deaths the death penalty would be the best option.

locking them up for life would be a better option and cost less

end of the road · 26-03-2014 07:25PM

Jumboman wrote: »

If you attack somebody who breaks into your house you could end of in court.

good, you deserve it, how it has to be as many people can't be trusted to use reasonable force

Jumboman wrote: »

Its an insane system which makes criminals out of decent hard working people just for standing up to scumbags.

wrong, its a good system which says if you use unreasonable force you will be punished, rightly so

Jumboman · 26-03-2014 07:29PM

end of the road wrote: »

good, you deserve it, how it has to be as many people can't be trusted to use reasonable force

wrong, its a good system which says if you use unreasonable force you will be punished, rightly so

When someone breaks into your house at 3am in the morning your not in a position to think what is reasonable or unreasonable force.

Why should somebody get a criminal record for attacking a scumbag who breaks into their house in the middle of the night ?

Its PC gone mad.

on the river · 26-03-2014 07:30PM

end of the road wrote: »

W, R, O, N, G.

the jury shouldn't have a say in the punishment, thats one of the biggest
mistakes of some of the states systems in america

Your right the public should decide what death penalty the criminal should be issued.

Piliger · 26-03-2014 07:32PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Our "justice" system lets the likes of larry murphy freely roam the streets looking for his next victim.

Yes indeed. And that is how it should be.

Piliger · 26-03-2014 07:33PM

on the river wrote: »

very harsh and cold remarks. the familes suffer everyday after their loved ones death.

I think you should show at least respect to theses grieving families.

Whatever. let other people deal with victims. Let the criminal system deal with the criminal.

on the river · 26-03-2014 07:37PM

The death penalty should be introduced and criminals receive their punishment.

Piliger wrote: »

Yes indeed. And that is how it should be.

end of the road · 26-03-2014 08:10PM

Jumboman wrote: »

When someone breaks into your house at 3am in the morning your not in a position to think what is reasonable or unreasonable force.

bull, i think rationally all the time

Jumboman wrote: »

Why should somebody get a criminal record for attacking a scumbag who breaks into their house in the middle of the night ?

because they might become a danger to society, once they have killed once, they may get a taste for it.

Jumboman wrote: »

Its PC gone mad.

theirs no such thing as PC, its a myth

Jumboman · 26-03-2014 08:48PM

end of the road wrote: »

bull, i think rationally all the time

because they might become a danger to society, once they have killed once, they may get a taste for it.

theirs no such thing as PC, its a myth

Your a way with the fairies. Nobody should be prosecuted for defending their home.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 26-03-2014 08:56PM

shroom007 wrote: »

hang them and there wont be anymore victims.

A particular cockroach who raped and beat a woman almost to death on the north of the city was released last week,that cockroach will do it again the guards know it the probation service know it,
what about his (next) victim.

this disease should have been eradicated the moment he was found guilty.

Delt with this falacy - there will still be victims, unless you can get every beast before they offend instead of after. Would love to know how the death penalty acheives this, but...

Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

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