Inquiry set up into taping of phone calls from Garda stations

foggy_lad · 25-03-2014 11:40PM

bubblypop wrote: »

the machine didnt work, they clearly had suspicion that she was over the limit. the roadside breath test does not neccessarily have to be used.

she was under arrest.
therefore there was every need to use handcuffs.
the Guards were not stupid in fact they were completely correct and acted safely.

safety safety safety.

They had suspicion that she had drink taken! the machine didn't work so they had nothing to indicate she was over the limit! As has been shown already the use of handcuffs is not necessary unless there is some fear of violent/aggressive behaviour. were the guards afraid of deputy daly?

25-03-2014 11:41PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

as someone who know many who have been bagged....never heard of them being cuffed

as someone who has had hundreds of prisoners in the back of a car, theres not a prisoner in the back without handcuffs on them in my car.

and i couldnt care less who they are.

MilanPan!c · 25-03-2014 11:44PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

They had suspicion that she had drink taken! the machine didn't work so they had nothing to indicate she was over the limit! As has been shown already the use of handcuffs is not necessary unless there is some fear of violent/aggressive behaviour. were the guards afraid of deputy daly?

Ok.

First, if you pull over someone that's swerving around and your breathalyser doesn't work, do you just shrug and let them go?

Of course not.

They followed that procedure correctly I think.

What's wrong is the handcuffs and the leak.

The cell thing is a toss up, as it could've been the best option. We don't know enough to judge. It was probably wrong though. But that's just a guess on my part.

tomwaterford · 25-03-2014 11:45PM

bubblypop wrote: »

as someone who has had hundreds of prisoners in the back of a car, theres not a prisoner in the back without handcuffs on them in my car.

and i couldnt care less who they are.

glad to hear that:)
...know many have been bagged usually most lads I know they just get them to sit in car...they never put up any resistance tbf...they know they have been caught.
dead against drink-driving meself:o

25-03-2014 11:46PM

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Ok.

First, if you pull over someone that's swerving around and your breathalyser doesn't work, do you just shrug and let them go?

Of course not.

They followed that procedure correctly I think.

What's wrong is the handcuffs and the leak.

The cell thing is a toss up, as it could've been the best option. We don't know enough to judge. It was probably wrong though. But that's just a guess on my part.

no the handcuffs was NOT wrong, she was arrested, thats life, handcuffs are put on prisoners.

she was placed in a cell until a doctor arrived? yes of course she was, thats where prisoners stay.

it seems to me that people on this thread seem to believe that members of the Oireachtas should be treated differently from the ordinary joe soap?
Are they above the law????

oh yea, the leak? yea if that was guards then thats wrong. 100%!

ThisRegard · 25-03-2014 11:47PM

bubblypop wrote: »

it seems to me that people on this thread seem to believe that members of the Oireachtas should be treated differently from the ordinary joe soap?
Are they above the law????

Your comprehension levels are pretty poor.

foggy_lad · 25-03-2014 11:55PM

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Ok.

First, if you pull over someone that's swerving around and your breathalyser doesn't work, do you just shrug and let them go?

Of course not.

They followed that procedure correctly I think.

What's wrong is the handcuffs and the leak.

The cell thing is a toss up, as it could've been the best option. We don't know enough to judge. It was probably wrong though. But that's just a guess on my part.

She made a wrong turn in an area she was unfamiliar with, Nowhere do the guards say she was swerving around or that they were in any way worried about her driving! when stopped they smelled alcohol so asked attempted a breath test but their equipment didn't work.

There was no need for handcuffs at all!

If a guard is afraid to put someone who is calm and relaxed and nt showing any signs of violence in the back of the car without handcuffs they should get a job somewhere else. Any Garda that "lives by the Garda code" should be weeded out and given a job with no contact with the public!

Stavros Murphy · 26-03-2014 12:03AM

Dillie O'Wee is on Browne now acting surprised and calling for action. Which is gas, seeing as he was minister for what was it again while all this was in full flow..

Roger_007 · 26-03-2014 12:17AM

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

Dillie O'Wee is on Browne now acting surprised and calling for action. Which is gas, seeing as he was minister for what was it again while all this was in full flow..

He was minister for The Fence...........(that thing that most politicians sit on).:rolleyes:

sillyoulfool · 26-03-2014 12:18AM

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

Dillie O'Wee is on Browne now acting surprised and calling for action. Which is gas, seeing as he was minister for what was it again while all this was in full flow..

Defence, it is the only full Ministerial portfolio he has ever held AFAIK.

MilanPan!c · 26-03-2014 12:21AM

bubblypop wrote: »

no the handcuffs was NOT wrong, she was arrested, thats life, handcuffs are put on prisoners.

she was placed in a cell until a doctor arrived? yes of course she was, thats where prisoners stay.

it seems to me that people on this thread seem to believe that members of the Oireachtas should be treated differently from the ordinary joe soap?
Are they above the law????

oh yea, the leak? yea if that was guards then thats wrong. 100%!

I said it was wrong as there seems to be a LOT of discretion as to who is cuffed and she was by all accounts sober and calm. In many cases this person would not be cuffed. And I'd think that is fair.

She was arrested on a suspicion of a crime and she was arrested due to broken police gear - that deserves a bit of leniency IMO.

That's why I said what I said.

Not because she's a pol.

The second she was found guilty of drink driving she should've been treated the same as anyone in that position.

26-03-2014 12:27AM

MilanPan!c wrote: »

I said it was wrong as there seems to be a LOT of discretion as to who is cuffed and she was by all accounts sober and calm. In many cases this person would not be cuffed. And I'd think that is fair.

She was arrested on a suspicion of a crime and she was arrested due to broken police gear - that deserves a bit of leniency IMO.

That's why I said what I said.

Not because she's a pol.

The second she was found guilty of drink driving she should've been treated the same as anyone in that position.

In fairness the gardai can arrest anyone they think is incapable of being in proper control of a vehicle because they are over the limit.
Every prisoner should be treated the same.

They are entitled to their rights no matter who they and should be treated with dignity.
If they are a prisoner being transported in an official patrol car, then they SHOULD be handcuffed. No matter WHO they are.

I am not condoning leaks to the media at all. No persons private information should be released for general consumption by the public.

MilanPan!c · 26-03-2014 01:34AM

bubblypop wrote: »

In fairness the gardai can arrest anyone they think is incapable of being in proper control of a vehicle because they are over the limit.
Every prisoner should be treated the same.

They are entitled to their rights no matter who they and should be treated with dignity.
If they are a prisoner being transported in an official patrol car, then they SHOULD be handcuffed. No matter WHO they are.

I am not condoning leaks to the media at all. No persons private information should be released for general consumption by the public.

At the end of the day she was arrested because the Guards equipment was broken. Guards have discretion and use it all the time. If you have a willing driver whose arrested because your machine is broken, use your discretion to treat her a bit better than someone that's resisting or who's been caught doing something wrong.

There's flexibility for a reason.

And hey, if a Guard was helping me carry my wife to the hospital, they wouldn't put me in cuffs just because I was in the back seat. Being in the back seat is not a good enough reason to cuff someone. And if they're calm and cooperating, show them a bit of respect.

26-03-2014 02:13AM

MilanPan!c wrote: »

At the end of the day she was arrested because the Guards equipment was broken. Guards have discretion and use it all the time. If you have a willing driver whose arrested because your machine is broken, use your discretion to treat her a bit better than someone that's resisting or who's been caught doing something wrong.

There's flexibility for a reason.

And hey, if a Guard was helping me carry my wife to the hospital, they wouldn't put me in cuffs just because I was in the back seat. Being in the back seat is not a good enough reason to cuff someone. And if they're calm and cooperating, show them a bit of respect.

No if a guard was helping you they wouldn't cuff you, but to be fair, what are the chances of you kicking off in the back of the car, grabbing the driver, kicking their seat/head/arms?
That's what I mean about prisoners, no one knows how they will react.
And to be fair, like I said on a different forum, just cos someone is cuffed doesn't mean they are thrown around. Treated badly etc. You can cuff someone, explain what is happening and treat them with respect. No problem.

26-03-2014 02:17AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

Any Garda that "lives by the Garda code" should be weeded out and given a job with no contact with the public!

If you think the garda code is wrong, then get onto you're local TD and tell them the the garda code needs changing.

Because the garda code is basically the rules for being a guard.
Do you think there should be no rules? Should the gardai do whatever they want???

mikom · 26-03-2014 02:20AM

bubblypop wrote: »

If you think the garda code is wrong, then get onto you're local TD and tell them the the garda code needs changing.

Because the garda code is basically the rules for being a guard.
Do you think there should be no rules? Should the gardai do whatever they want???

Do the rules or the "code" include nailing rats to whistleblowers doors?

Fred Swanson · 26-03-2014 02:21AM

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tomwaterford · 26-03-2014 02:22AM

mikom wrote: »

Do the rules include nailing rats to whistleblowers doors?

WTF did this actually happen???

mikom · 26-03-2014 02:24AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

WTF did this actually happen???

http://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/documentary-podcast-garda-limped-whistleblower-john-wilson.html

tomwaterford · 26-03-2014 02:26AM

mikom wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/documentary-podcast-garda-limped-whistleblower-john-wilson.html

jesus their is no defending that

Fred Swanson · 26-03-2014 02:34AM

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WilyCoyote · 26-03-2014 02:47AM

Callinan should be arrested at 5.30 AM and roped in for questioning.

sopretty · 26-03-2014 02:49AM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Callinan should be arrested at 5.30 AM and roped in for questioning.

Handcuffs definitely required also.

renegademaster · 26-03-2014 02:58AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

jesus their is no defending that

oh you'd be surprised!! sure we've collectively defended everything to date, every last sickening tragic episode in Irish politics since forcing fianna fail out of government and look at where we are today, still not showing much interest in calling a halt to all this blatent corruption of political powers/connections!!

this is just crazy stuff to be letting elected officials get up to and expect them to come to a satisfactory conclusion with no public pressure until voting time comes round again next april, 2016!!

christ on a bike!!

26-03-2014 03:00AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Ah yes this secret book that no one outside of a garda station has ever seen.

Oh I'm sorry, do you want to read the garda code?
I doubt very much there would be any problem with letting people reading the code.
Chance of falling asleep though!!!

Fred Swanson · 26-03-2014 03:03AM

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WilyCoyote · 26-03-2014 03:18AM

And question "Do you know who I am" Shatter in a different station. But they'll say that they didn't know anything about it. Was it coincidence that Callinan resigned before the merde hit the fan this morning?

26-03-2014 03:25AM

Well I suppose its like getting a contract of employment from anyone.

But I do know that every guard is issued with a code, but its your code. Basically its the rules of your employment.
I'm not sure how interesting it would be to others.

But I'm sure if you looked/tried hard enough then you could read it.

Its full of interesting things like, the what the meausrenents of your moustache should be, and how you should not have facial piercings, or vivid coloured hair etc etc.
How much annual leave you can take, or special leave in case ur ma dies etc
And guidelines as to how to do your job.

Deviate and your f**ked, find yourself on the end if a lawsuit, having broke the garda code, then you're f#cked!!

26-03-2014 03:26AM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

And question "Do you know who I am" Shatter in a different station. But they'll say that they didn't know anything about it. Was it coincidence that Callinan resigned before the merde hit the fan this morning?

Of course not!!!

Its a smokescreen to deviate away from shatter

WilyCoyote · 26-03-2014 03:45AM

I imagine a few more whistleblowers will now surface. Gardai that left the force under strange circumstances or were fired stayed silent so as not to get the Donegal treatment. But now the public would be behind them ........... so, open season should come shortly.
Perhaps a few of them that take the career break will find other work more rewarding and salve their guilt by talking to the press.

Inquiry set up into taping of phone calls from Garda stations

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