Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

whisky_galore · 25-03-2014 10:58PM

We simply don't have the prison space, it's overflowing. FFS the judiciary throw people who don't pay their tv licences into prison...or rather they get sent there, get a cup of tea, hang about for a bit and back out again. Fcuking joke. We need a prison system that actually works, is a deterrent, not just a crim university or a day care centre.

No use harping on about the death penalty, it's not coming back. Ever. No amount of hurr-durring is going to force a referendum on the issue.

Mr Williams · 25-03-2014 11:20PM

Heres another sex beast that should be put down.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judgement-reserved-in-appeal-for-sex-offender-who-ambushed-woman-in-public-toilet-30120770.html

Mr Williams · 25-03-2014 11:26PM

The animal who raped the 2 little girls in athlone is to appeal his sentence.

There is a high probability he will be out within 10 or 12 years.

If we had the death penalty we wouldnt have any of this nonsense of him appealing the sentence. Animals like him should be put down end of story.

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/vile-athlone-rapist-to-appeal-severity-of-his-sentence

Mr Williams · 25-03-2014 11:35PM

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

It might sound barbaric but it is hard to argue against meting out eye for an eye punishments where the victim has been left physically scared or disabled for life. Someone serving six years for an attack that leaves their victim blind until their dying day really is not justice.

These sex beasts leave their victims with a life sentence. The death penalty is the only proper punishment for a child sex beast.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 25-03-2014 11:42PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

Heres another sex beast that should be put down.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judgement-reserved-in-appeal-for-sex-offender-who-ambushed-woman-in-public-toilet-30120770.html

This is exactly what I mean when I say the only interest you have is in the death penalty and not the victims.

Mr Williams · 25-03-2014 11:45PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

This is exactly what I mean when I say the only interest you have is in the death penalty and not the victims.

If you take these beasts out of circulation there would be no more victims.

Putting them in jail for 5 or 10 years does not solve the problem.

Piliger · 25-03-2014 11:50PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

This is exactly what I mean when I say the only interest you have is in the death penalty and not the victims.

I don't care about the victim a fraction as much as I care about a healthy and good society. You clearly only care about revenge.

What would you do if the victim of a rape wanted the death penalty ? or the wounded victim of an assault and the victim's family wanted the death penalty ? Would you care about the victim then ?

Amirani · 25-03-2014 11:51PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

If you take these beasts out of circulation there would be no more victims.

You're deluded.

Mr Williams · 25-03-2014 11:52PM

NiallSparky wrote: »

You're deluded.

Not as deluded as the system that released larry murphy.

Amirani · 25-03-2014 11:53PM

Piliger wrote: »

What would you do if the victim of a rape wanted the death penalty ? or the wounded victim of an assault and the victim's family wanted the death penalty ? Would you care about the victim then ?

There's many good reasons why the victims of crime don't determine the punishment. Would you support this model for other types of crimes? Assault, robbery, defamation?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 26-03-2014 01:05AM

Mr Williams wrote: »

If you take these beasts out of circulation there would be no more victims.

Putting them in jail for 5 or 10 years does not solve the problem.

Doesn't really dweal with my post.

In any case, your first statement is incorrect, your second is a strawman and neither does anything to improve society. What IS it you actually want the death penalty for?

(And don't say the victims - I said "what" not "who", and the asnwer to "who" is obvious - yourself)

Piliger wrote: »

I don't care about the victim a fraction as much as I care about a healthy and good society. You clearly only care about revenge.

What would you do if the victim of a rape wanted the death penalty ? or the wounded victim of an assault and the victim's family wanted the death penalty ? Would you care about the victim then ?

Well, at least you're honest - but where do you get the idea I want revenge from? Did you quote the right post? Also, why are you sayin you don't care about the victim and asking what I would say to the victim...?

FTR: I'd tell them how the rape/murder could have been prevented and ask the what they'd prefer - prevention, to reduce the number of families that go through the same pain - or punishment, which waits until after to take action.

Mr Williams · 26-03-2014 01:41AM

Is revenge such a bad thing ? if someone is the victim of a sex beast.

Mr Williams · 26-03-2014 01:45AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Doesn't really dweal with my post.

In any case, your first statement is incorrect, your second is a strawman and neither does anything to improve society. What IS it you actually want the death penalty for?

(And don't say the victims - I said "what" not "who", and the asnwer to "who" is obvious - yourself)

To stop these animals reoffending and to show them that these crimes are totally unacceptable. Like the scumbag who raped the two little girls in athlone has nothing to offer to society. Only the human rights brigade could defend such a animal.

Christy42 · 26-03-2014 01:49AM

Mr Williams wrote: »

Is revenge such a bad thing ? if someone is the victim of a sex beast.

It achieves nothing and can potentially cause greater harm by potentially killing the wrong person. It isn't cheaper, due to appeals and the fact that they spend so long on death row anyway.

If killing them would in some way undo what happened happened to the victim I would quite happily sign up to do the deed. It won't, calling for revenge does nothing for the victim, it just creates the illusion that something has been done to solve the problem without having to think about it. Unfortunately stopping murders and sex crimes is an issue society, including those with the death penalty, will suffer from for a long time to come. All we can do is come up with better and better preventative measures.

I can see why someone would want revenge after something like that had been done to them or a loved one, I would probably feel the same way but I would be wrong. The point of this is that we are better than these people, these people won't, or at least shouldn't, cause us to degrade the morals of our society.

Mr Williams · 26-03-2014 01:56AM

Christy42 wrote: »

It achieves nothing and can potentially cause greater harm by potentially killing the wrong person. It isn't cheaper, due to appeals and the fact that they spend so long on death row anyway.

If killing them would in some way undo what happened happened to the victim I would quite happily sign up to do the deed. It won't, calling for revenge does nothing for the victim, it just creates the illusion that something has been done to solve the problem without having to think about it. Unfortunately stopping murders and sex crimes is an issue society, including those with the death penalty, will suffer from for a long time to come. All we can do is come up with better and better preventative measures.

I can see why someone would want revenge after something like that had been done to them or a loved one, I would probably feel the same way but I would be wrong. The point of this is that we are better than these people, these people won't, or at least shouldn't, cause us to degrade the morals of our society.

Revenge would give the victim closure especially if the Perpetrator is out there carrying on like he hasnt a care in the world.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 26-03-2014 01:59AM

Mr Williams wrote: »

To stop these animals reoffending and to show them that these crimes are totally unacceptable. Like the scumbag who raped the two little girls in athlone has nothing to offer to society. Only the human rights brigade could defend such a animal.

If that were true, then you would be one very disappointed person if it ever did come in, because it wouldn't stop anything as well you know.

Holsten · 26-03-2014 02:05AM

Mr Williams wrote: »

Revenge would give the victim closure especially if the Perpetrator is out there carrying on like he hasnt a care in the world.

The stuff you spout... seriously.

Closure is a complete fallacy, it doesn't exist.

The fact you keep repeating "sex beast", completely ignore all the evidence placed in front of you, posted many times in this thread makes me think you're just trolling people.

Christy42 · 26-03-2014 02:13AM

Mr Williams wrote: »

Revenge would give the victim closure especially if the Perpetrator is out there carrying on like he hasnt a care in the world.

Closure is a very ill defined term. Presumably the perpetrator is at least in jail and not out there. I am sure a study could be done on the development of abuse sufferers based on how heavy the punishment dished out is. I would be surprised if it lead to greater quality of life for the victim.

Mr Williams · 26-03-2014 02:17AM

Holsten wrote: »

The stuff you spout... seriously.

Closure is a complete fallacy, it doesn't exist.

The fact you keep repeating "sex beast", completely ignore all the evidence placed in front of you, posted many times in this thread makes me think you're just trolling people.

I think your reading too much of the Irish Times. Many people I know use the term sex beast to describe sex offenders. The human rights/ PC brigade would have us believe that some how these people are victims.

ardle1 · 26-03-2014 02:34AM

Yes, and not just for Murder,Rape, Child abuse!! there is some serious sh!t going on out there and a lot closer to home than you might think, attacks on elderly living alone and isolated, being left in total terror, there was an example not to long ago, off a man who in the middle off the night got on his bike and cycled for miles to an old peoples home, just so he could feel safe! like FFS......

orchidsrpretty · 26-03-2014 02:57AM

+1 for executions

public ones too and torture prior to death depending on the crime...

Or, sterility programmes or possibly a international prison colony on a remote island with a harsh climate extreme heat/cold no boats allowed within a 50km radius monitored by satellite, guarded by navies of the world.. thus the scum would have to be parachuted in..

That is all,

end of the road · 26-03-2014 03:26AM

Mr Williams wrote: »

I think your reading too much of the Irish Times. Many people I know use the term sex beast to describe sex offenders. The human rights/ PC brigade would have us believe that some how these people are victims.

w.r.o.n.g.

Mal-Adjusted · 26-03-2014 08:44AM

Mr Williams wrote: »

The human rights/ PC brigade would have us believe that some how these people are victims.

Ironically, the only people here who would make them victims are those who advocate murdering them in revenge killings

mikemac1 · 26-03-2014 10:03AM

Christy42 wrote: »

It isn't cheaper, due to appeals and the fact that they spend so long on death row anyway.

Spending years appealing is an American issue and has nothing to do with Ireland

The UK & Ireland would carry out the executions within 6 weeks, maybe 8 weeks at the most

Christy42 · 26-03-2014 10:11AM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Sending years appealing is an American issue and has nothing to do with Ireland

The UK & Ireland would carry out the executions within 6 weeks, maybe 8 weeks at the most

There is a reason for the appeals process. That is worse. Too many people are falsely or incorrectly accused. Bringing that in would be fought tooth and claw every step of the way. It is denying people their right to an appeal and Ireland would be seen as barbaric for bringing in laws cruder than Texas.

I am going to presume the earlier wish for torture (not by mikemac) was a sick joke.

osarusan · 26-03-2014 10:33AM

I'd support a boards ban for anybody who argues that capital punishment is a deterrent.

Bans also for those who portray only two scenarios: executed crimimanls or criminals living beside you.

#osarusanforchange

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 26-03-2014 10:35AM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Spending years appealing is an American issue and has nothing to do with Ireland

The UK & Ireland would carry out the executions within 6 weeks, maybe 8 weeks at the most

Oh, would we now? How long does an appeal take as it is?

mikemac1 · 26-03-2014 10:45AM

That how long it took back in the day. Google any famous case like Manning or Bentley and there was none of this 10 years of appeals.

osarusan · 26-03-2014 10:53AM

mikemac1 wrote: »

That how long it took back in the day

And happily that day is gone. This guy could have done with more time for appeals back in the day.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 26-03-2014 11:23AM

mikemac1 wrote: »

That how long it took back in the day. Google any famous case like Manning or Bentley and there was none of this 10 years of appeals.

Doesn't answer my question: how long does it take NOW? Do you even know, or are you guessing?

Amazing how much people are willing to go with the death penalty on the basis of ignorant guesswork. Not a single one of you even wants to actually go and learn something even though it's been placed right in front of you. Ignorance I can forgive, but ignorance by choice takes it to a whole new level.

Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

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