Advertisement
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.
Hi all, please see this major site announcement: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058427594/boards-ie-2026

Inquiry set up into taping of phone calls from Garda stations

12467…16

Comments

  • #92
    Menas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    markad1 wrote: »
    Is it not common practice that all incoming phone calls are recorded in a lot of places "for quality and training purposes"?

    If calling a call centre then yes. But only if both parties know and if data privacy is maintained.

    Recording inbound and outbound calls between two people who do not know they are been recorded is very different.
    Doing it without a warrant makes it illegal. And you would never get a warrant to record calls between the accused and his solicitor.

    Those who knew about these recordings damned well know this and the related law but choose to ignore it. Therin lies the problem.


  • #93
    keith16
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    donkey_breath wrote: »
    his father was a guard

    anyone who has a guard as a brother , sister , mother , father , they refuse to see how things really are

    their loyalty is both admirable and terrifying

    Give over with the hyperbole. Why don't you tell us how things really are?

    You think rank and file members are happy with corruption? Two people are standing up to confront of it and are getting slaughtered by those from above. Their careers are in tatters. Why would anyone else start shouting about it?

    Corruption would indeed appear to be endemic in the force. It is endemic because it is permitted / encouraged. This has been fostered by none other than the leadership and a view supported by the current MOJ.

    People are loyal to their family? And that's terrifying? Get a grip.


  • #94
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Trigger Happy wrote: »
    Enda has to clear the ranks. I reckon Shatter will go. We get a new minister (Leo hopefully), a new commisioner and a long expensive enquiry to look forward to.

    The Garda are becoming a joke. Clare Daly said that the GSOC enquiry in to her incident last year is still ongoing after 12 months. Key reason is that the Gardai are so slow to cooperate. Took 44 days for them to provide a list of garda on duty the night she was arrested.

    Don't hold your breath, because I fear all we will have is just another exercise in tokenism and ineptitude. This force would probably need a complete overhaul to restore public confidence & trust.


  • #95
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    osarusan wrote: »
    I would gave thought that 999 called would have been recorded as a matter of course, whatever about outgoing calls.

    Is there any info on the kinds of calls recorded?

    A 999 call doesn't go through a Garda station.


  • #96
    Renegade Mechanic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    It looks to me like they just brought this two year old "revelation" out in order to take the dirty look away from that prick Shatter. How stupid do they think people are!? :mad:


  • Advertisement
  • #97
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


    This post has been deleted.


  • #98
    Shady Tady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Shady Tady


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    They go via a call centre where it is recorded, and the call is then transferred to a GS where the contents should not be recorded.

    When you call 999 you are asked what emergency service you require and they put you through, all the calls are recorded and are regularily played back in court to juries, I thought you were a law man Fred?


  • #99
    sillyoulfool
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭sillyoulfool


    Can't believer Shatter has not been sacked, it is over 9 months ago since he received a report from GSOC on this specific illegal practice, it is two and a half years ago that a judge ruled that such calls were inadmissible in court because they the recordings were illegal.


  • #100
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


    This post has been deleted.


  • #101
    Spring Onion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Spring Onion


    Trigger Happy wrote: »
    The Garda are becoming a joke. Clare Daly said that the GSOC enquiry in to her incident last year is still ongoing after 12 months. Key reason is that the Gardai are so slow to cooperate. Took 44 days for them to provide a list of garda on duty the night she was arrested.

    I am often reminded of the Clare Daly incident. That really did shock me. Would the Gardai have done the same (i.e. handcuffs) to a TD in FF, FG or Labour? No chance. It really showed how superior the Gardaí thought they were. They deserve their humiliation.

    Daly herself has showed great patience and courage but they really need to explain their actions 1 year on.


  • Advertisement
  • #102
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Spring Onion wrote: »
    I am often reminded of the Clare Daly incident. That really did shock me. Would the Gardai have done the same (i.e. handcuffs) to a TD in FF, FG or Labour? No chance. It really showed how superior the Gardaí thought they were. They deserve their humiliation.

    Daly herself has showed great patience and courage but they really need to explain their actions 1 year on.

    Seems to show that AGS target politicians they view as "off-message" or "anti-establishment". Shows disturbing authoritarianism at senior level in AGS.


  • #103
    jobeenfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭jobeenfitz


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Wasn't he the bucko who got penalty points quashed..........so it's down to eh....none.:eek:


    No, no, no, poor auld lukey was forced to have his points quashed by the bad sergeant I think. He was a victim.


  • #104
    jobeenfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭jobeenfitz


    Maybe it is not the fault of the Guards or the government, the bankers etc.

    Are we just a corrupt dirty little nation and we cant help ourselves?

    Post Colonial thingy?


  • #105
    mick_savage
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7 ✭mick_savage


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    Don't hold your breath, because I fear all we will have is just another exercise in tokenism and ineptitude. This force would probably need a complete overhaul to restore public confidence & trust.

    AGS has always had a remarkable level of trust amongst the public , we don't really demand much of our police force , I don't see why this should change all of a sudden


  • #106
    mick_savage
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7 ✭mick_savage


    Spring Onion wrote: »
    I am often reminded of the Clare Daly incident. That really did shock me. Would the Gardai have done the same (i.e. handcuffs) to a TD in FF, FG or Labour? No chance. It really showed how superior the Gardaí thought they were. They deserve their humiliation.

    Daly herself has showed great patience and courage but they really need to explain their actions 1 year on.

    the only thing which shocked me about it was that they did it to a ( mouthy ) public rep

    they stitch regular folk up all the time


  • #107
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    Trigger Happy wrote: »
    If calling a call centre then yes. But only if both parties know and if data privacy is maintained.

    Recording inbound and outbound calls between two people who do not know they are been recorded is very different.
    Doing it without a warrant makes it illegal. And you would never get a warrant to record calls between the accused and his solicitor.

    Those who knew about these recordings damned well know this and the related law but choose to ignore it. Therin lies the problem.

    i bet they care about as much as the american administration do regarding their spying on the whole planets communications for their own gain


  • #108
    mick_savage
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7 ✭mick_savage


    jobeenfitz wrote: »
    Maybe it is not the fault of the Guards or the government, the bankers etc.

    Are we just a corrupt dirty little nation and we cant help ourselves?

    Post Colonial thingy?

    deep , original


    :rolleyes:


  • #109
    Wee Ollie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 ✭Wee Ollie


    donkey_breath wrote: »
    the vast vast majority of the irish media are unequivocally pro guard
    As are the vast majority of the Irish population who are law abiding and have nothing to fear from the Gardai.


  • #110
    wicklowstevo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 919 ✭✭✭wicklowstevo


    Spring Onion wrote: »
    I am often reminded of the Clare Daly incident. That really did shock me. Would the Gardai have done the same (i.e. handcuffs) to a TD in FF, FG or Labour? No chance. It really showed how superior the Gardaí thought they were. They deserve their humiliation.

    Daly herself has showed great patience and courage but they really need to explain their actions 1 year on.

    :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:


    holy F&$K !!!! are you kidding ? Claire (All police every where are bad as she sits on mick the tax dodgers Wallace knee ) Daly
    she ws arrested because she drove illeagly and failed a road side breath test admitted to drinking and obviously smelt like it.


  • #111
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    wicklowstevo wrote: »
    :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:


    holy F&$K !!!! are you kidding ? Claire (All police every where are bad as she sits on mick the tax dodgers Wallace knee ) Daly
    she ws arrested because she drove illeagly and failed a road side breath test admitted to drinking and obviously smelt like it.

    Don't forget to mention the handcuffing......


  • Advertisement
  • #112
    wicklowstevo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 919 ✭✭✭wicklowstevo


    why wouldnt she be handcuffed ? i wonder ig jim mcdaid was cuffed and niall quinn or any other public person who was arrested ? im sure they were its sort of what happens when you get arrested you know .


  • #113
    J K
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 468 ✭✭J K


    mikom wrote: »
    Don't forget to mention the handcuffing......

    She was handcuffed because she was under arrest. Uncuffed prisoners lead to car crashes. Then if there was people dead you'd be whinging about that.


  • #114
    sillyoulfool
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭sillyoulfool


    wicklowstevo wrote: »
    :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:


    holy F&$K !!!! are you kidding ? Claire (All police every where are bad as she sits on mick the tax dodgers Wallace knee ) Daly
    she ws arrested because she drove illeagly and failed a road side breath test admitted to drinking and obviously smelt like it.

    Daly was arrested because she, like the whistle blowers, was trying publicize the institutional corruption and criminality that pervades the Gardaí.


  • #115
    Spring Onion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Spring Onion


    wicklowstevo wrote: »
    :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:


    holy F&$K !!!! are you kidding ? Claire (All police every where are bad as she sits on mick the tax dodgers Wallace knee ) Daly
    she ws arrested because she drove illeagly and failed a road side breath test admitted to drinking and obviously smelt like it.


    Statement from Clare Daly TD

    On Monday night 28th January, after meetings in the Dail, I attended a meeting in Swords and left at 9.30pm for another meeting requested by a family on the Southside of the city near the Canal. I arrived after 10pm and spent almost two hours discussing issues which I had raised in the Dail. Before I left I was offered a hot whiskey for a cold.
    I left at midnight and not being familiar with the area found myself on the road to Ballyfermot at Kilmainham and took a right turn onto the South Circular Road trying to get back onto the North side – unfortunately there is No Right Turn at this junction and this was brought to my attention by Gardai in a car who stopped me.
    I was breathalysed but the equipment didn’t register a reading. I was arrested and handcuffed on the side of the road. I objected to being handcuffed and stated that I would willingly go to the Garda station. I was told by the arresting Garda that this was ‘procedure’.
    I was brought in a patrol car to the Kilmainham Garda Station – within 300 metres distance. At one point I was placed in a cell on my own. A doctor was called and I provided a urine sample. When I was released a female Garda told me to ‘come back when you are sober’.
    I believe that the Gardai implementing road safety have a job to do and I support them. However, I object strongly to the arrest, handcuffing and release of information re the arrest on suspicion of drink driving to the tabloid press early on Tuesday. My legal advice is that none of this is ‘procedure’.
    I believe that this was a deliberate attempt to discredit a left-wing TD who has raised issues of malpractice within the Garda Siochana. This information could only have come from within the Gardai.
    The Garda Ombudsman is investigating this matter, as a criminal investigation under Section 98 of the Garda Soichana Act 2005. This is a very serious issue. Every citizen is entitled to their good name and to have their privacy respected.
    Garda whistle blowers who have quite correctly approached the designated Confidential Recipient and elected TDs, as they are lawfully entitled to do, have been threatened that they will be fully investigated in accordance with the Garda Siochana (Discipline) Regulations 2007 for speaking to a third party.
    I now expect that the same enthusiasm will be taken in relation to those who have sought to damage me.
    I have received the official result of the test on the urine sample provided and the result is 45 milligrammes per 100 millilitres of urine, which is 33% below the allowable limit – 67 milligrammes


    Whether you like her or not, this is victimisation of a public representative.
    Would this happen to any FG or Labour TD?

    Apology not necessary WicklowSteve, you weren't to know.


  • #116
    wicklowstevo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 919 ✭✭✭wicklowstevo


    sillyoulfool wrote: »
    Daly was arrested because she, like the whistle blowers, was trying publicize the institutional corruption and criminality that pervades the Gardaí.

    And that why boards will continue to be a home for the ill informed and wildly inaccurate trolls who have too much access to computers and wifi :rolleyes:


  • #117
    mick_savage
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7 ✭mick_savage


    Wee Ollie wrote: »
    As are the vast majority of the Irish population who are law abiding and have nothing to fear from the Gardai.

    that this kind of unthinking drivel can still be trotted out after todays ( and the last several weeks ) revelations , is worrying

    take your head out of your ass and stop being a chump


  • #118
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    wicklowstevo wrote: »
    why wouldnt she be handcuffed ? i wonder ig jim mcdaid was cuffed and niall quinn or any other public person who was arrested ? im sure they were its sort of what happens when you get arrested you know .
    J K wrote: »
    She was handcuffed because she was under arrest. Uncuffed prisoners lead to car crashes. Then if there was people dead you'd be whinging about that.

    Yep...............but the supreme court says no......
    The Supreme Court has ruled in a majority decision that a man’s arrest for drink driving was unlawful because he was unjustifiably handcuffed after arrest on foot of a Garda sergeant’s own routine policy of handcuffing drink-driving suspects.

    The decision means a certificate showing the man had failed breath tests cannot be used as evidence and he must be acquitted.


    A District Court judge had asked the Supreme Court to rule if he was entitled to find the man’s handcuffing following arrest was unjustified where the arresting garda did not believe the man was likely to resist arrest but was rather implementing his standard personal policy of handcuffing all drink-driving suspects.

    In this case, the sergeant’s policy of handcuffing all suspects, regardless of the circumstances, meant suspects were automatically subjected to force accompanying their arrest and handcuffs would be used in some cases, such as this, when it was unnecessary.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/drink-driving-arrest-deemed-unlawful-1.1696255


  • #119
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    J K wrote: »
    She was handcuffed because she was under arrest. Uncuffed prisoners lead to car crashes. Then if there was people dead you'd be whinging about that.

    Rubbish, complete and utter tripe. It is very rare for persons accused of this type of road traffic offense to be handcuffed.


  • #120
    mick_savage
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7 ✭mick_savage


    wicklowstevo wrote: »
    :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:


    holy F&$K !!!! are you kidding ? Claire (All police every where are bad as she sits on mick the tax dodgers Wallace knee ) Daly
    she ws arrested because she drove illeagly and failed a road side breath test admitted to drinking and obviously smelt like it.

    hundreds of people are pulled over and fail alcohol breath tests each week , they are not handcuffed and bunged into cells for a few hours , plus she didn't even fail the test

    if you recognise an attempted stitch up like this , ive some magic beans which might interest you


  • Advertisement
  • #121
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    131spanner wrote: »
    At this stage I'm wondering if there is anyone in Ireland who holds a position of power who isn't corrupt?
    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    you can hear the clink of champagne glasses in solicitors offices all over the country

    government should fall over this
    osarusan wrote: »
    IT reporting that it has been going on for years, but stopped in November 2013. Very recently...why did it stop is a very relevant question indeed, and who made the decision to stop it.
    token56 wrote: »
    As pointed out in the thread in Politics this practice was apparently known about before now it just didn't make as significant headlines back then

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89624004&postcount=1074

    I wasn't aware of it myself back then. But it does make one ask why such the uproar now if GSOC made the practice public months ago?
    bubblypop wrote: »
    wouldnt surprise me if most likely Garda management were trying to catch out Gardai using the phones for their own private phone calls.
    metroburgers wrote: »
    It seems to me this revelation has been released very strategically, as Shatter will have to resign regardless if he was aware or not aware of this in November 2013 when the recording practice was discontinued.

    E.g. Shatter you know the way you have to resign this evening anyway, will you resign over this instead?
    tomwaterford wrote: »
    they could justify recording incoming calls....but prisioner calls (on unsafe ground there I would think)

    this should make for unsettling time for some senior gaurds,who have some serious ass covering to do now!!

    how much longer will younger member put up with such corruption being exposed at the top???
    Shady Tady wrote: »
    This is a complete joke, the recording equipment was put in place since the 80's due to bomb scares to stations, the gardai informed the AG last November and the AG has only now brought it to government, what the hell is going on. Now the AG had serious questions to answer
    D.Q wrote: »
    There actually isn't an institution in this country that you can have any sort of trust in, just generations of corrupt pricks looking out for themselves. And you can be sure that people will huff and puff about it, but nothing of any real consequence will come from this.

    we're watching a fcuking soap opera created to keep us all amused and endlessly yacking on about how bad it is, and next week another plot line is thrown in to keep us busy again until the next twist or turn pops up, one thing is for sure, we need to do a lot more to show the corrupt there's a slight chance the people will not accept this kind of bull$hit anymore, we are now so passive fine gael are using lack of protest as a sign of approval of their corrupt practices.
    keith16 wrote: »

    People are loyal to their family? And that's terrifying? Get a grip.

    blind loyalty is no good for anybody


Advertisement
Advertisement