Giving up!

As an alternative to a lesson;

Try taking a break from the game for a month. You might go back to it and have gotten out of whatever bad habit you're in without ever finding out what it was.

Loire wrote: »

Having re-read my earlier post I take what you're saying and have amended it

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Not sure if I've offended you or not, apologies if I have, it was unintentional.

I don't get it .i would love to be able to hit the ball right to left
Your lucky your not shanking your irons now that's heartbreaking stuff
Btw I can show you how to slice a putt if you want!

Montgolfier wrote: »

I've played with a few hookers now and again, one thing I notice they always set up slightly closed

Any hookers I've played with tend to set up slightly open

If you do get a lesson you will know what is causing it and be able to fix it in the future plus you will learn more about your swing I certainly have i was in a really bad place last year golf wise and have got around ten lessons since and am starting to see the effects now yes over a year later! still early days but my confidence is starting to come back I am getting more consisdent. I was nt a fan of lessons before but defo recommend getting 1 every couple of months!!

oh and find a good pro! took me awhile for this, alot of chancers out there!

John Divney wrote: »

I think he wants a good lesson, not turning up and within two minutes know you've wasted your money.

You can't even get lessons on a launch monitor in this country in any way easily.

Just saying get a lesson isn't good advice

What's a "good" lesson ?

John Divney wrote: »

Yes, what exactly, I've never had one.

Sometimes its the Student, not always the Teacher.

But one method of teaching will not suit all players. Some players are more scientific and want to know all about positions, angles etc, while some will be more interested in how something "feels".

Buying a camera and essentially self teaching is fraught with danger, something might be technically correct, but not correct for "you" (not specifically you John Divney). Every swing has compensations somewhere that deviate from what might be termed correct, and are unique to that person.

There will always be an element of trial and error in picking a teacher. I got 5 or 6 lessons from a guy about 8/9 years ago and it went really well, I got down to my lowest handicap. He was very well known but was very old school, anytime I mentioned it to friends etc who asked who I was getting lessons from, they usually sniffed and dismissed him, saying he doesn't teach anything, he's old fashioned etc etc. But, it worked, for me.

Fast forward about 3 years and I got a few lessons from a highly regarded teacher, extremely well known, provincial coach, his club produces lots of scratch and plus handicappers, winning Senior Cup teams etc. And I couldn't get what he was on about at all, my game went completely. I played one time with a pro friend who ended up asking me "what are you doing and why ?", when I told him, he basically said he's never seen me swing it so bad, and did I not think that after 12 months with this guy, its time to say its not working ?

Op, you're off 8, you clearly have a good idea of what works, doesn't work etc. Canvass a few players you know, to get a recommendation for a lesson and give it a go.

All I'm saying is go to a pro as a stock answer gets a bit annoying, without saying what pro, what he thinks, his method. I'd love to see Irish pros visible, so we could say 'Go to Joe Bloggs the pro, read what he thinks, here are some videos, he's online, has a blog'

After I got a HS camera I was cut from IIRC around 16, to 11 now. I had to sort out an upper body lunge, early extension at times, stop casting from the top, changed from roll release to a body release. I'm not a natural golfer, lets put it that way, but spent a lot of time reading theory, videos, and had to find what was best for me. aLASi I broke it and they are rare and cost 200 plus now they have stopped making them.

The points of disgreement were not upfor debate imo,it was a scientific point, about club path and direction, the other was probably up for debate but about weight shift, but for the type of swing I was trying to groove, was NOT appropriate.

I would throw money at a pro the likes that have online presence and I can see if it suits me, their theory etc. I want to go, but I want to trust. Say Dan Whittaker from Manchester, massive online name,, popular on the internet because he was visible with the theory, same as the one they call 'Slicefixer' Geoff Jones from Texas. Who

MOnty the long drive guy isn't even a PGA pro and he probably cleans up because he's constantly visible, talking explaining, proving his point, you don't have to agree with these types, but you can buy into them because they put the work in, like a PHD student would.



Irish golf pros are leaving hundreds of thousands of quid on the table, if they know what they are talking about.

Maybe they are doing ok and don't need to because everyone says 'Go to a pro', but I doubt it in this climate.

We use launch moniters in this country to sell clubs, not learn how to improve. Madness, not one Trackman pro in Dublin?

Again, NOT saying don't go to a pro

John Divney wrote: »

All I'm saying is go to a pro as a stock answer gets a bit annoying, without saying what pro, what he thinks, his method. I'd love to see Irish pros visible, so we could say 'Go to Joe Bloggs the pro, read what he thinks, here are some videos, he's online, has a blog'

After I got a HS camera I was cut from IIRC around 16, to 11 now. I had to sort out an upper body lunge, early extension at times, stop casting from the top, changed from roll release to a body release. I'm not a natural golfer, lets put it that way, but spent a lot of time reading theory, videos, and had to find what was best for me. aLASi I broke it and they are rare and cost 200 plus now they have stopped making them.

The points of disgreement were not upfor debate imo,it was a scientific point, about club path and direction, the other was probably up for debate but about weight shift, but for the type of swing I was trying to groove, was NOT appropriate.

I would throw money at a pro the likes that have online presence and I can see if it suits me, their theory etc. I want to go, but I want to trust. Say Dan Whittaker from Manchester, massive online name,, popular on the internet because he was visible with the theory, same as the one they call 'Slicefixer' Geoff Jones from Texas. Who

MOnty the long drive guy isn't even a PGA pro and he probably cleans up because he's constantly visible, talking explaining, proving his point, you don't have to agree with these types, but you can buy into them because they put the work in, like a PHD student would.



Irish golf pros are leaving hundreds of thousands of quid on the table, if they know what they are talking about.

Maybe they are doing ok and don't need to because everyone says 'Go to a pro', but I doubt it in this climate.

We use launch moniters in this country to sell clubs, not learn how to improve. Madness, not one Trackman pro in Dublin?

Again, NOT saying don't go to a pro

Well done with the reduction in handicap, your tireless work and dedication is paying off, but the dedication you have is just that, My point is if people find the right Pro or methodology and apply them selves to it they will reap the rewards, but carpet bombing and saying no to lessons is a bit crazy. You are getting your lessons on youtube, and thats working for you. I I agree with you wholeheartedly our top teaching pro's have no online presence worth talking of, I do know the good ones are kept very busy with grass roots teaching, may be its a time thing.

FYI Stephen Ennis Pro in Balcarrick uses a Track Man for lessons.

https://www.facebook.com/GolfAcademyIreland?fref=ts

Yep edited as wanted to be clear that I'm not against going to a pro, and don't want to tarnish them.

Thanks for the Trackman info, did not know that, not too far either, will check it out soon.

neckedit wrote: »

Why would you not believe what a Pro is saying to you? Do you feel he was lying and if so for what benifit? A lot of golfers have pre concived ideas of how good they are and what the faults are, some want the quick fix, others want the In depth break down.....both want the same results. But not all are willing to accept the faults they have and take the time to practice....not hit balls....but to practice what they have been instructed.
For sure there are some styles that dont fit each other but imo to think, at any level, your above guidance or help is a bit foolish and may be part of the problem.
Out of interest John how have you improved since you bought your Camera? Genuine question.

I don't think it is a case of lying. Maybe just being behind the times. Up till fairly recently some pros were still clinging to the old ball flight laws for example. Point your body where you want ball to start and club face where you want it to end etc etc. Proven to be incorrect. I'd hope most have changed now.

Personally unless i really trust a pro I'd feel the need to be on a launch monitor as I can see the numbers rather than relying on what the pro thinks he can see on video.