The NHS use discarded foeti to heat hospitals

urabell · 24-03-2014 08:12PM #1

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-26716924

Don't see what the outrage is about myself, what do people assume ordinarily happens to discarded foeti? Do they expect the NHS to post them off in parcels marked 'heaven'?

darkpagandeath · 24-03-2014 08:14PM

Do people get outraged with the incinerator out the back of the vets ?

24-03-2014 08:16PM

2.10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ6_cRX1HLs

shruikan2553 · 24-03-2014 08:18PM

what do they tend to do with old organs, tissue etc that they want to get rid of?

24-03-2014 08:19PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

what do they tend to do with old organs, tissue etc that they want to get rid of?

Burn it themselves or give to another crowd to do it off-site. Can be used for research in some circumstances either.

homeless student · 24-03-2014 08:23PM

in fairness that is disgusting, im shocked they would do that.

wendell borton · 24-03-2014 08:25PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWCfpdVtL_o

darkpagandeath · 24-03-2014 08:27PM

homeless student wrote: »

in fairness that is disgusting, im shocked they would do that.

How is putting a body in a hole in the ground to be eaten by worms any different ? Same with cremation. Just because people associate my 2 examples with religious ceremony's.

The Diabolical Monocle · 24-03-2014 08:29PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QfBG3lbbxY

awec · 24-03-2014 08:29PM

What's the difference between incineration and cremation?

mikom · 24-03-2014 08:29PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jzMw9ezE3I

darkpagandeath · 24-03-2014 08:30PM

awec wrote: »

What's the difference between incineration and cremation?

Some guy in robes

The Backwards Man · 24-03-2014 08:32PM

awec wrote: »

What's the difference between incineration and cremation?

About £600

The Diabolical Monocle · 24-03-2014 08:35PM

You're wearing a suit for one and bloodied raincoat for the other.

Sir Osis of Liver. · 24-03-2014 08:41PM

Aldi firelighters are great value for money

Sorry wrong thread.

mickydoomsux · 24-03-2014 08:49PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Some guy in robes

A wizard?

Guy:Incognito · 24-03-2014 08:52PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

A wizard?

If it's a clan cremation, yes. Some of those aren't altogether consensual mind.

Ihatecuddles · 24-03-2014 08:52PM

awec wrote: »

What's the difference between incineration and cremation?

Dignity?

One is done in a way that's respectful, the other is just lobbing them into a fiery pit.

FurBabyMomma · 24-03-2014 08:54PM

While I personally find it very sad, in many cases of abortion the foetus isn't considered human as such so why are people surprised it wouldn't be humanised for burial? That said I can't say I'd like to stay in a hospital that considers it an appropriate way to heat the place, that's beyond morbid.

Pessimist · 24-03-2014 08:56PM

Such an emotive topic. Hurts to read about it. Have tried writing a response to some of the posters before me and to be perfectly honest - write what you want. Try to be flippant or funny or whatever. But just know that it really hurts to read those remarks - for me anyway.

24-03-2014 08:56PM

I am positive that I'm opening the biggest ever can of worms here, but I don't really understand how people can think that aborting a foetus is ok (i.e. it is not a baby but a bunch of cells), but disposing of those bunch of cells like any other clinical waste (e.g. tissue samples, biopsies, blood cultures) is not ok.

Pessimist · 24-03-2014 09:00PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I am positive that I'm opening the biggest ever can of worms here, but I don't really understand how people can think that aborting a foetus is ok (i.e. it is not a baby but a bunch of cells), but disposing of those bunch of cells like any other clinical waste (e.g. tissue samples, biopsies, blood cultures) is not ok.

I assumed it was including missed or incomplete miscarriages as well? Where there is not a choice made to abort the baby but a miscarriage which wasn't complete?

Muise... · 24-03-2014 09:00PM

FurBabyMomma wrote: »

While I personally find it very sad, in many cases of abortion the foetus isn't considered human as such so why are people surprised it wouldn't be humanised for burial? That said I can't say I'd like to stay in a hospital that considers it an appropriate way to heat the place, that's beyond morbid.

It's rather clever and resourceful really.

Donkey Oaty · 24-03-2014 09:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I am positive that I'm opening the biggest ever can of worms here, but I don't really understand how people can think that aborting a foetus is ok (i.e. it is not a baby but a bunch of cells), but disposing of those bunch of cells like any other clinical waste (e.g. tissue samples, biopsies, blood cultures) is not ok.

Because one is a potential human - a bunch of cells waiting to happen - with huge emotional resonance.

I say this as someone who is pro-choice.

It's just the way we are - aren't we?

I mean, I can't rationally justify this, but if I had a limb amputated, I don't think I'd be happy with it being sold to a dog food manufacturer.

shruikan2553 · 24-03-2014 09:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Burn it themselves or give to another crowd to do it off-site. Can be used for research in some circumstances either.

Thats what I was thinking.

FurBabyMomma wrote: »

While I personally find it very sad, in many cases of abortion the foetus isn't considered human as such so why are people surprised it wouldn't be humanised for burial? That said I can't say I'd like to stay in a hospital that considers it an appropriate way to heat the place, that's beyond morbid.

They heat the place by using the heat that is created by burning medical waste instead of just letting the energy go to waste. Its not them burning the foetus specifically.

Muise... · 24-03-2014 09:06PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Because one is a potential human - a bunch of cells waiting to happen - with huge emotional resonance.

I say this as someone who is pro-choice.

It's just the way we are - aren't we?

I mean, I can't rationally justify this, but if I had a limb amputated, I don't think I'd be happy with it being sold to a dog food manufacturer.

The emotional resonance of an elective abortion tends to be relief, Donkey, not grief and a need for a ceremonial disposal of the 'bunch of cells'.

robman60 · 24-03-2014 09:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I am positive that I'm opening the biggest ever can of worms here, but I don't really understand how people can think that aborting a foetus is ok (i.e. it is not a baby but a bunch of cells), but disposing of those bunch of cells like any other clinical waste (e.g. tissue samples, biopsies, blood cultures) is not ok.

My thoughts exactly. If you wanted the foetus/baby/bunch of cells to be treated with dignity, surely you wouldn't kill it in the first place. If it's acceptable to kill it, surely you couldn't consider it a human and thus deserving of normal human dignity. It's strange hypocrisy.

I'm referring only to the abortions btw, not miscarriages.

Czarcasm · 24-03-2014 09:15PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I am positive that I'm opening the biggest ever can of worms here, but I don't really understand how people can think that aborting a foetus is ok (i.e. it is not a baby but a bunch of cells), but disposing of those bunch of cells like any other clinical waste (e.g. tissue samples, biopsies, blood cultures) is not ok.

More times an abortion will be carried out in hospital and the mother won't really have a choice whether she's ok with the procedure or not. Then there are those people who don't believe a foetus is 'just a bunch of cells' but a human life that has a right to dignity in the disposal of the remains, which is why there are guidelines set down that some hospitals didn't follow. That's the issue here -

The HTA has a code of practice for the disposal of human tissue, which includes foetal remains, that hospitals should follow.

It says women who have had an abortion or miscarriage should be informed that there are different options available - burial, cremation and incineration.

It says disposal via incineration should be handled as "sensitive" and therefore should not be done alongside the burning of waste.

In his letter, Prof Keogh says he believes it would be better not to use incineration at all.

"While it is acknowledged that incineration is not illegal across the UK, existing professional guidance makes clear that the practice is inappropriate.

"I share the view that incineration of fetal remains is inappropriate practice and that other methods offer more dignity in these sensitive situations."

Czarcasm · 24-03-2014 09:18PM

Muise... wrote: »

The emotional resonance of an elective abortion tends to be relief, Donkey, not grief and a need for a ceremonial disposal of the 'bunch of cells'.

It's a bit more complicated than that now in all fairness.

Ihatecuddles · 24-03-2014 09:21PM

Muise... wrote: »

The emotional resonance of an elective abortion tends to be relief, Donkey, not grief and a need for a ceremonial disposal of the 'bunch of cells'.

Its not just abortions, its miscarriages too. Babies that are very much wanted and seen as babies and not a bunch of cells.

urabell · 24-03-2014 09:21PM

mauzo! wrote: »

Dignity?

One is done in a way that's respectful, the other is just lobbing them into a fiery pit.

They're not in the body any more, their eternal soul has gone off somewhere else (possibly a fiery pit) so why does it matter how their shell is treated?

The NHS use discarded foeti to heat hospitals

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