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The smoking ban - 10 year anniversary

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  • #32
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    smileyj1987 wrote: »
    Banning smoking in pub beer gardens is a stupid idea and should never happen .
    Many are illegal. If you are in a beer garden and coughing or annoyed by smoke its probably one of the illegal ones, i.e. it is not an area where smoking is permitted.


  • #33
    iDave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    Does the Vintners Federation of Ireland still run the country or has power returned to politicians?


  • #34
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Great piece of legislation.

    Remember going away just after the ban had been brought in here and being overwhelmed by the smokiness of the bar we were in. Incredible to think that we endured it for so long.


  • #35
    despot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭despot


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Hospitals allowing smoking on their grounds is ridiculous imo. Having to walk through a cloud of smoke to get in to one is so far beyond that it isn't funny. Tallaght hospital even has a nice canopied walkway to capture it all.
    .

    The smoking areas are usually out of the way enough, the problem is people can't be arsed going to them, like you say people tend to just stay around the canopy of Tallaght Hospital as if it's another smoking area.

    They're making the entire grounds smoke free now though. Can't even smoke an electric. When I was there last a few months ago they were digging up one of the smoking areas and told me to go to the second one (with my electric) and when I got there I was asking the security, who told me they'll be getting rid of that one too. Anyone who wants to smoke will have to go out past the entrance.


  • #36
    mikemac1
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    If they ever ban smoking on the grounds of Beaumont hospital you've a fair walk out to the road :pac:


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  • #37
    maguic24
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭maguic24


    Mr.McLovin wrote: »
    29th of March 2004 and the smoking ban was introduced...

    Seems like only yesterday I was puffing away at my desk in work

    I remember saying how it wouldn't work, we'll get pissed and light up :o

    I think the numbers of smokers are up though? So maybe the desired effect hasn't happened. I did hear on the radio this morning that 4,000 lives have been saved as a result of the ban but I don't really know how you come to that conclusion or number.

    Man I feel old! I remember going to my first youth disco and getting my cardigan burned with a cigarette. :mad: Everyone was smoking.....seems weird thinking about it now.


  • #38
    Penny Tration
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    mikemac1 wrote: »
    If they ever ban smoking on the grounds if Beaumont hospital you've a fair walk out to road :pac:

    They did ban it. Then about six months later, partitioned a spot next to the bus stops where you can smoke


  • #39
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,266 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Ruubot2 wrote: »
    It'll kill the pub trade!

    Wait..no it didn't. :p

    Rural pubs were pretty much screwed anyway with (quite rightly) drink driving laws, unless they have some serious bells and whistles, i.e. good food, they're fcuked.

    Good riddance to ciggies, with the manky smell the morning after and burns on your clothes.


  • #40
    Jinonatron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Jinonatron


    Go skiing in Austria all the time. Smoker indoors everywhere. Can't believe the still don't have a ban.


  • #41
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    green_screen wrote: »
    They did ban it. Then about six months later, partitioned a spot next to the bus stops where you can smoke

    That's the responsible attitude a hospital should have.


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  • #42
    hfallada
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,179 ✭✭✭hfallada


    Jinonatron wrote: »
    Go skiing in Austria all the time. Smoker indoors everywhere. Can't believe the still don't have a ban.

    Smoking rates in German speaking countries are in the mid 30%. I went to Berlin last month and you can light up anywhere and no one will say a thing.


  • #43
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    Where did that decade go?! The lack of passive smoke must have made time seem to go faster or something.


  • #44
    Scotty P
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 42 ✭Scotty P


    One of mates has a seven year old daughter and a two year son that wouldn't be here but for the smoking ban, as he met his wife out having a smoke not long after the ban came in.

    Indeed, I'd say the smoking area has hooked more people up than a Lisdoonvarna matchmaker.


  • #45
    Spunge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Spunge


    I must have stolen 1000e worth of gargle thanks at that time thanks to the free table outside the smoking area back then, and everyone drinking pints of fat frog.

    yes i am scum


  • #46
    Khannie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    Wow. I'm off cigarettes 10 years in 5 days then. :)

    Thank you, smoking ban.


  • #47
    maguic24
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭maguic24


    Rewind 10 years and I bet there's a thread with everyone giving out stink about the government for introducing the smoking ban. I remember at the time there being absolute uproar.


  • #48
    Scotty P
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 42 ✭Scotty P


    maguic24 wrote: »
    Rewind 10 years and I bet there's a thread with everyone giving out stink about the government for introducing the smoking ban. I remember at the time there being absolute uproar.

    Here's two with some, given hindsight, funny / interesting replies:

    Smoking Ban - Fair or Unfair?
    Smoking Ban today?


  • #49
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Scotty P wrote: »
    Here's two with some, given hindsight, funny / interesting replies:
    Even with hindsight you hear similar crap coming out regarding the new ban on vapour producing nicotine replacement devices on trains etc.

    Many people making out that the only reason we should see a ban is if they can prove they are harmful. Dunno if these oddballs insist on seeing a study saying food is harmful, as its banned in many places.


  • #50
    Snickers Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,302 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    The complaints didn't end though as I had people complaing to me about smokers in the beer garden. What do you expect me to do? :confused:

    That was on Joe Duufy two weeks ago and there are proposals to ban it from beer gardens

    We wouldn't have beer gardens if it wasn't for the smoking ban. You could count the number of pubs in Dublin with the facilities to drink outside before then on the fingers of one hand.

    Why didn't the publicans introduce such areas years ago if everyone agrees, and many do, that there is nothing nicer on a sunny day than sitting out sipping a cool pint?

    They had to be FORCED to bring them in and now that they're here people are campaigning to have their raison d'etre removed. Crazy.

    Let smokers enjoy their fags in the open FFS.


  • #51
    Decuc500
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭Decuc500


    I live near enough to a pub but thankfully not right opposite it. All those people standing outside, smoking, drinking, shouting drunkenly all night.

    The unfortunate side of the smoking ban that only people who live near pubs get to experience.

    I bet the minister who brought in the ban lives nowhere near a pub...


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  • #52
    Michael D Not Higgins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,223 ✭✭✭Michael D Not Higgins


    rubadub wrote: »
    In the marjoirty of pubs I have been in its illegal to smoke in what people presume to be "smoking areas" i.e. they do not qualify as acceptable under the law so are considered to be indoors.

    Looks like the Market Bar were done recently, but I've seen dozens of smoking areas that could hardly be counted as 'outside'.

    The law has defined an outdoor area as:
    • A place or premises, or part of a place or premises, that is wholly uncovered by any roof, fixed or mobile.
    • An outdoor place or premises that is covered by a roof, so long as not more than 50% of the perimeter (outside) is covered by a wall, windows, gate or similar.
    I could rattle off a dozen places in Dublin that have smoking areas that don't comply with that.


  • #53
    ProfessorPlum
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    Mr.McLovin wrote: »
    29th of March 2004 and the smoking ban was introduced...

    Seems like only yesterday I was puffing away at my desk in work

    I remember saying how it wouldn't work, we'll get pissed and light up :o

    I think the numbers of smokers are up though? So maybe the desired effect hasn't happened. I did hear on the radio this morning that 4,000 lives have been saved as a result of the ban but I don't really know how you come to that conclusion or number.


    Here:
    http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0062063
    Stallings-Smith, S, Zeka, A, Goodman, P, Kabir, Z, & Clancy, L (2013). ‘Reductions in Cardiovascular, Cerebrovascular and Respiratory Mortality following the National Irish Smoking Ban: Interrupted Time-Series Analysis’.

    Unadjusted estimates indicate that 3,726 (95% CI: 2,305–4,629) smoking-related deaths were likely prevented post-ban. Mortality decreases were primarily due to reductions in passive smoking.


  • #54
    swimming in a sea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭swimming in a sea


    I left school in 1997 seems not that long ago to me:) there was a smoking room for 4th year and leaving certs (if you had permission from parents ;)) wow things have changed...


  • #55
    Mr.McLovin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Mr.McLovin


    ProfessorPlum wrote: »
    Here:
    http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0062063
    Stallings-Smith, S, Zeka, A, Goodman, P, Kabir, Z, & Clancy, L (2013). ‘Reductions in Cardiovascular, Cerebrovascular and Respiratory Mortality following the National Irish Smoking Ban: Interrupted Time-Series Analysis’.

    Unadjusted estimates indicate that 3,726 (95% CI: 2,305–4,629) smoking-related deaths were likely prevented post-ban. Mortality decreases were primarily due to reductions in passive smoking.

    well I guess that's where they got it then :)


  • #56
    eisenberg1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,387 ✭✭✭eisenberg1


    I gave them up a few years ago (after several attempts) and I only for the ban, I would still be smoking. I remember ( lots of times) being off them for 4-5 days, go for a pint on Sat nite, and you are surrounded by people smoking, ashtrays everywhere, a couple of pints down me and whatever will power I had, went out the window.


  • #57
    FreeFallin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭FreeFallin


    I think that there needs to be a fundamental societal change in order to fully eradicate smoking.

    It could be possible to introduce a smoking ban that would eventually make smoking illegal for the entire population. It's a very very long term view but wouid work.

    Pick a date, say 01/01/2000 and decide that anyone born before that date can buy cigarettes, anyone younger can't. Those who smoke legally now can't complain as it doesn't affect them. Those younger 'shouldn't' have started.

    Eventually we would have a society where only the elderly are allowed smoke and it would then be phased out.


  • #58
    maguic24
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭maguic24


    FreeFallin wrote: »
    I think that there needs to be a fundamental societal change in order to fully eradicate smoking.

    It could be possible to introduce a smoking ban that would eventually make smoking illegal for the entire population. It's a very very long term view but wouid work.

    Pick a date, say 01/01/2000 and decide that anyone born before that date can buy cigarettes, anyone younger can't. Those who smoke legally now can't complain as it doesn't affect them. Those younger 'shouldn't' have started.

    Eventually we would have a society where only the elderly are allowed smoke and it would then be phased out.

    Great idea. I know this german lad, the pair of ye would get on famously well.


  • #59
    Zed Bank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Zed Bank


    It would be nostalgic to see people smoking in a pub! Honestly think it should have been up to the individual pub to ban smoking, but meh theres such an anti-smoking attitude nowadays I can't imagine any country where its legal to smoke indoors.


  • #60
    annascott
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭annascott


    I hated the ban at first and just didn't go out. However it played a huge part in my giving up for good. Now a happy non smoker, I am really glad of the ban..


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  • #61
    Patrick2010
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    Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »
    Looks like the Market Bar were done recently, but I've seen dozens of smoking areas that could hardly be counted as 'outside'.

    The law has defined an outdoor area as:
    • A place or premises, or part of a place or premises, that is wholly uncovered by any roof, fixed or mobile.
    • An outdoor place or premises that is covered by a roof, so long as not more than 50% of the perimeter (outside) is covered by a wall, windows, gate or similar.
    I could rattle off a dozen places in Dublin that have smoking areas that don't comply with that.

    The Old Orchard in Rathfarnham for one if anyone knows it, completely covered in smoking area.


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