Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 mod warning post #5144

tayto lover · 24-03-2014 12:42PM

emergingstar wrote: »

I can only see us pushing on again next year under wenger

That has been said for years but still no trophies have arrived.
It's always "next year" at Arsenal.

wawaman · 24-03-2014 12:44PM

tayto lover wrote: »

That has been said for years but still no trophies have arrived.
It's always "next year" at Arsenal.

I think the more accurate way to say it is "i can see the exact same thing next season and the season after that under Wenger, stagnation at best and regression at worst"

Hyzepher · 24-03-2014 12:46PM

I don't really get affected by these 6-0 results. For me its more about progression.

In the last number of years there has been little or no progression - there's an argument that we have declined somewhat given how close 5th has been.

But this year is a little different.

We've competed somewhat and spent a reasonable amount of time on top. The fixtures haven't been kind to us in terms of when the big games came. But we aren't at the Chelsea/Man City level yet. I think we are a better team then Liverpool but they just have momentum and circumstance going for them this year

Before the season kicked off I was fearing a top 4 spot - so many teams improving while we seem to run just to stand still. If you had told me that we'd be in a better position than last year with both ManU and Spurs struggling and we're in a great position for a FA Cup win. I'd have taken it.

It's a big step forward. As is our willingness to spend big on a big player - that can't be overlooked.

Our team still has issues. We still have too many injuries. We still can't compete with those around us that spend too much.

But we are progressing.

The disappointment we feel is because we are pushing forward and coming up short.

We've come through the period were our disappointment COULD have been due to a fall back to a mid-table position or the club imploding to something worse.

Days like last weekend are hard to take but not hard to predict for this team.

The challenge will be to continue with big signings - show that we can follow the signing of Ozil up with others. Get some depth in the squad so that injuries don't impact us as much

Anyway - I for one are looking for to an FA Cup win, a strong end to the season and a more solid league position.

I'd take that

Mickeroo · 24-03-2014 12:46PM

tayto lover wrote: »

That has been said for years but still no trophies have arrived.
It's always "next year" at Arsenal.

We might get one in May with any luck which is this year

tayto lover · 24-03-2014 12:49PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

We might get one in May with any luck which is this year

Well if we don't the daggers will well and truly be out.

Mickeroo · 24-03-2014 12:52PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Well if we don't the daggers will well and truly be out.

And deservedly so, but let's not act like the season is a complete write off when in reality, we have the best chance of a trophy in years.

tayto lover · 24-03-2014 12:57PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

And deservedly so, but let's not act like the season is a complete write off when in reality, we have the best chance of a trophy in years.

Agree BUT there still has to be an inquiry into how we lost 3 games to our rival 6 - 3, 5 - 1 and 6 - 0. and how we couldn't even score one goal against the worst Man Utd team in years. Psychological melt-down yet again or just poor tactics?

Mickeroo · 24-03-2014 01:07PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Agree BUT there still has to be an inquiry into how we lost 3 games to our rival 6 - 3, 5 - 1 and 6 - 0. and how we couldn't even score one goal against the worst Man Utd team in years. Psychological melt-down yet again or just poor tactics?

A bit of both I think.

Marty McFly · 24-03-2014 01:08PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Agree BUT there still has to be an inquiry into how we lost 3 games to our rival 6 - 3, 5 - 1 and 6 - 0. and how we couldn't even score one goal against the worst Man Utd team in years. Psychological melt-down yet again or just poor tactics?

A little bit of column A and a little bit of column B.

24-03-2014 01:16PM

Hyzepher wrote: »

I don't really get affected by these 6-0 results. For me its more about progression.

In the last number of years there has been little or no progression - there's an argument that we have declined somewhat given how close 5th has been.

But this year is a little different.

We've competed somewhat and spent a reasonable amount of time on top. The fixtures haven't been kind to us in terms of when the big games came. But we aren't at the Chelsea/Man City level yet. I think we are a better team then Liverpool but they just have momentum and circumstance going for them this year

I said at the the start of the season we wouldn't maintain because we hadn't improved on enough players and the same old weaknesses would appear. The timing of good/bad results is irrelevant IMO, a team has to be judged over a season and we're on course to barely improve. (The timing of poor form is only relevant if it's a proper collapse at the end for like 1ppg or something causing a team to drop from a useful position).

Before the season kicked off I was fearing a top 4 spot - so many teams improving while we seem to run just to stand still. If you had told me that we'd be in a better position than last year with both ManU and Spurs struggling and we're in a great position for a FA Cup win. I'd have taken it.

Imagine United without Moyes and then consider how far we've progressed.

It's a big step forward. As is our willingness to spend big on a big player - that can't be overlooked.

Unfortunately we're still not playing to his strengths, it's incredible really and suggests it wasn't a planned buy

Our team still has issues. We still have too many injuries. We still can't compete with those around us that spend too much.

We already had the 4th highest wagebill and over the season all the new contracts will have inflated that further.

But we are progressing.

Disagree.

The disappointment we feel is because we are pushing forward and coming up short.

Usual stuff. 2010-11 we were right up top and then got 12 points from the last 11 matches. That was supposed to be a sign of progress as well at the time. 2009-10 it was 8 points from the last 7.

We've come through the period were our disappointment COULD have been due to a fall back to a mid-table position or the club imploding to something worse.

That would've taken some amazing mismanagement.

Gringo180 · 24-03-2014 01:17PM

I think some of us fans including myself have become institutionalized with Wenger in charge and are terrified of him leaving. Although in saying that I don't think its time for him to go, lets face it we just aren't at the level of Chelsea or City and it is so hard to compete with these clubs giving there vast financial resources. The thing I would criticise the boss on is that he is just so stubborn in his ways and has faith in his players a bit too much. I think we need 4 real top top players (left back, defensive mid, centre forward and pacey winger) to come in in the summer to really push on.

Mr.Micro · 24-03-2014 01:18PM

Playing Swansea on Tuesday will be very tough now, with the psychological meltdown with the team, and absent injured players? Add to that the doubt over Wenger's future. Anxious does not come close.:eek::eek:

batistuta9 · 24-03-2014 01:26PM

If any of you are interested in the injuries listen to the a Bergkamp wonderland podcast on it, they had a guy on who works with athletes, some sports science type, he spoke a lot about biomechanics regards the players.

In a nutshell:
General reasons
Small squad or the preference to use players more than others
Possession based game based on lots of movement is more demanding than a two banks of four, etc style (pl being a high intensity league too)
A responsibly on players to say when they're not right (ozil would've known his hamstring wasnt right picking the injury up that early - he sympathised with him though because of the circumstances)
Players
Now he answered these in what id call a medical way, not really wanting to say the worst but this is what i took from it, i suppose the worst cases
Walcott could suffer badly from him injury, pace wise mainly also could get problems with his hamstring where the graft was took from when coming back
Wishere there's a chance will always be injury prone, guy reckons he runs weird anyway (legs far apart & head up straight) and that could lead to injuries anyway + the fact he had to wear a protective boot when younger - like diaby - both reasons go back to biomechanics
No surprise but he doesn't see diaby ever making it\lasting at top level

dvemail · 24-03-2014 01:32PM

batistuta9 wrote: »

If any of you are interested in the injuries listen to the a Bergkamp wonderland podcast on it, they had a guy on who works with athletes, some sports science type, he spoke a lot about biomechanics regards the players.

In a nutshell:
General reasons
Small squad or the preference to use players more than others
Possession based game based on lots of movement is more demanding than a two banks of four, etc style (pl being a high intensity league too)
A responsibly on players to say when they're not right (ozil would've known his hamstring wasnt right picking the injury up that early - he sympathised with him though because of the circumstances)
Players
Now he answered these in what id call a medical way, not really wanting to say the worst but this is what i took from it, i suppose the worst cases
Walcott could suffer badly from him injury, pace wise mainly also could get problems with his hamstring where the graft was took from when coming back
Wishere there's a chance will always be injury prone, guy reckons he runs weird anyway (legs far apart & head up straight) and that could lead to injuries anyway + the fact he had to wear a protective boot when younger - like diaby - both reasons go back to biomechanics
No surprise but he doesn't see diaby ever making it\lasting at top level

Listened to that podcast, was very interesting.
Regarding Wilshere, you would have thought the medical staff would have known that the muscles in his legs would be of different strengths due to the boot and would have corrected that before he went back playing again.
He seemed pretty positive about Walcott though, doesn't think he will lose much of his pace.

emergingstar · 24-03-2014 01:44PM

Doing your acl should have no bearing on your pace when ya come back

batistuta9 · 24-03-2014 01:53PM

dvemail wrote: »

Listened to that podcast, was very interesting.
Regarding Wilshere, you would have thought the medical staff would have known that the muscles in his legs would be of different strengths due to the boot and would have corrected that before he went back playing again.
He seemed pretty positive about Walcott though, doesn't think he will lose much of his pace.

I thought he meant you couldn't really correct it as such, just that it's likely to have a knock on effect

On Walcott, that's why i said a medical answer, one of the others said could he end up like Micheal Owen after the injury and never really come back the same, he that it possible while also giving reasons why he could lose it.
That'd be a major blow to Walcott as a player

batistuta9 · 24-03-2014 01:54PM

emergingstar wrote: »

Doing your acl should have no bearing on your pace when ya come back

Why not doctor? ha

dvemail · 24-03-2014 01:54PM

Tweet from the famous Geoff

GeoffArsenal ‏@GeoffArsenal 12m

Just had it confirmed that the 'rumour' about AW resignation is total rubbish. Now get behind him & the team ffs.

emergingstar · 24-03-2014 01:56PM

batistuta9 wrote: »

Why not doctor? ha

It might affected your twisting and turning if not rehabbed properly but your not your speed

batistuta9 · 24-03-2014 02:00PM

emergingstar wrote: »

It might affected your twisting and turning if not rehabbed properly but your not your speed

I think he did mention turning & getting away from someone, take off, etc.
Can't remember it exactly now

Hyzepher · 24-03-2014 02:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I said at the the start of the season we wouldn't maintain because we hadn't improved on enough players and the same old weaknesses would appear. The timing of good/bad results is irrelevant IMO, a team has to be judged over a season and we're on course to barely improve. (The timing of poor form is only relevant if it's a proper collapse at the end for like 1ppg or something causing a team to drop from a useful position).

Imagine United without Moyes and then consider how far we've progressed.

Unfortunately we're still not playing to his strengths, it's incredible really and suggests it wasn't a planned buy

We already had the 4th highest wagebill and over the season all the new contracts will have inflated that further.

Disagree.

Usual stuff. 2010-11 we were right up top and then got 12 points from the last 11 matches. That was supposed to be a sign of progress as well at the time. 2009-10 it was 8 points from the last 7.

That would've taken some amazing mismanagement.

I have to say that I disagree on almost everything you have here. In fact I think you failed to pick up the essence of my post.

I can't understand why you think we haven't progressed this year.

Are you always this down-beat?

batistuta9 · 24-03-2014 02:06PM

Hyzepher wrote: »

I have to say that I disagree on almost everything you have here. In fact I think you failed to pick up the essence of my post.

I can't understand why you think we haven't progressed this year.

Are you always this down-beat?

Only 2 points better off on the corresponding fixtures to last year

I think it's good he's back, you need different perspectives to make it more interesting to read. And that usually means the thread is more active

ronjo · 24-03-2014 02:10PM

batistuta9 wrote: »

Only 2 points better off on the corresponding fixtures to last year

I think it's good he's back, you need different perspectives to make it more interesting to read. And that usually means the thread is more active

And in Cup Semi having beaten Spurs, Liverpool and Everton.

gnfnrhead · 24-03-2014 02:10PM

It's funny. Before the season had we been told we were almost guaranteed a top four finish and a very high chance of winning the FA Cup, every single person here would have taken it in a heartbeat. Now that it is happening, it isn't good enough?

At the end of the day we've had a very good season that could still turn out great. It seems some people are expecting 38 wins and anything less is a failure. Top three and an FA Cup would have been massive progress. Top four and an FA Cup isn't a bad alternative. Remember what the start of season expectations were and judge based on that.

emergingstar · 24-03-2014 02:13PM

The more people with different opinions post here the better
Not agreeing is the hole point of debate

batistuta9 · 24-03-2014 02:13PM

ronjo wrote: »

And in Cup Semi having beaten Spurs, Liverpool and Everton.

And coventry

Gringo180 · 24-03-2014 02:14PM

dvemail wrote: »

Tweet from the famous Geoff

GeoffArsenal ‏@GeoffArsenal 12m

Just had it confirmed that the 'rumour' about AW resignation is total rubbish. Now get behind him & the team ffs.

This news has lifted my spirits somewhat. Hearing some people in here calling for the managers head at this point in time is ridiculous, he has had his hands tied financially the last 8 seasons and although we haven't won anything in a good while personally I think he has done a fantastic job giving the circumstances. If there is anybody I want and think deserves to spent the big bucks available now its Wenger, he has his faults but I believe he is the man to take us to the next level. Roll on tomorrow night I feel Swansea are going to feel the wrath after Saturdays shocker!!!!

Marty McFly · 24-03-2014 02:16PM

batistuta9 wrote: »

Only 2 points better off on the corresponding fixtures to last year

You could say you are over simplifying it by reducing it to a points total, this year we have done well in the cup, are in a better position in the league. Have seen the arival of Ozil the emergence of Ramsey and Chamberlain has also come on showing more and what we can expect along with the emregence of Gnabry. Flamini was a solid addition. Szcez along with Merts have both silenced there critics.

Were still not quite there but to say we haven't improved is farcical imo.

batistuta9 · 24-03-2014 02:19PM

gnfnrhead wrote: »

It's funny. Before the season had we been told we were almost guaranteed a top four finish and a very high chance of winning the FA Cup, every single person here would have taken it in a heartbeat. Now that it is happening, it isn't good enough?

At the end of the day we've had a very good season that could still turn out great. It seems some people are expecting 38 wins and anything less is a failure. Top three and an FA Cup would have been massive progress. Top four and an FA Cup isn't a bad alternative. Remember what the start of season expectations were and judge based on that.

No. A lot here felt it was the best chance in years for the league

In general i don't like the but you would've taken that at the start, it disregards the whole way things actually pan out. And is usually said after a failure\disappointment

Gringo180 · 24-03-2014 02:21PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

You could say you are over simplifying it by reducing it to a points total, this year we have done well in the cup, are in a better position in the league. Have seen the arival of Ozil the emergence of Ramsey and Chamberlain has also come on showing more and what we can expect along with the emregence of Gnabry. Flamini was a solid addition. Szcez along with Merts have both silenced there critics.

Were still not quite there but to say we haven't improved is farcical imo.

Well said. To put things into perspective, we were 24 points off the leaders this time last year, this season that gap has closed and is down to 7 points. We have also had terrible luck with injuries too.

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