Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 mod warning post #5144

cson · 23-03-2014 03:10PM

I really rate Koscielny but he always has an error in him in terms of giving away penalties. You just can't have that at the level we aspire to.

Thinking about my point earlier regarding the 3/4 world class players we'd need; we really missed a trick not getting someone in during January. Not for this season but looking at next; integration is so so key. Look at Spurs; £100m spent during the summer and they're an absolute shambles.

gosplan · 23-03-2014 03:14PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

you still dont get it. It is not about us being out of the title race, it is the manner in which we always falter in the exact same ****ing way for the past 9 years that you do not get at all!

Id take a 2:0 loss to chelsea with a performance that really stressed and troubled and matches chelsea over a piss poor sunday leage performance.

Wenger is tacicaly clueless. That is the damm point. There is even a article that someone posted here that you should read to actually understand!

Wenger is not average

Wenger is not tactically clueless

It's been silly dropped points rather than losses to direct rivals that have ended our league campaigns in recent years. That's the difference between finishing 16 points behind and finishing 6 behind.

Everything you're saying us wrong or hugely exaggerated.

Mr Blobby · 23-03-2014 03:16PM

cson wrote: »

I really rate Koscielny but he always has an error in him in terms of giving away penalties. You just can't have that at the level we aspire to.

Thinking about my point earlier regarding the 3/4 world class players we'd need; we really missed a trick not getting someone in during January. Not for this season but looking at next; integration is so so key. Look at Spurs; £100m spent during the summer and they're an absolute shambles.

Well a new CF and Defensive mid is key.
I'd try and get Schneiderlin from Southampton and then just splurge on a big name Striker.

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 03:17PM

The defensive mid should be easy to get, loads out there that would be willing to come so wouldnt have to spend too much

jonneymendoza · 23-03-2014 03:18PM

gosplan wrote: »

Wenger is not average

Wenger is not tactically clueless

It's been silly dropped points rather than losses to direct rivals that have ended our league campaigns in recent years. That's the difference between finishing 16 points behind and finishing 6 behind.

Everything you're saying us wrong or hugely exaggerated.

yes he is tactically clueless. go read that LINK!

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 03:20PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

yes he is tactically clueless. go read that LINK!

I find it incredibly insulting that you label him "clueless", a man who has managed for 30 years, won several trophies and widely renowned as one of the greatest managers of his generation.

Mr Blobby · 23-03-2014 03:23PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

yes he is tactically clueless. go read that LINK!

You're the only clueless one here buddy.

jonneymendoza · 23-03-2014 03:24PM

Raf32 wrote: »

I find it incredibly insulting that you label him "clueless", a man who has managed for 30 years, won several trophies and widely renowned as one of the greatest managers of his generation.

won several trophies nearly 10 years ago! that is the point! He is no longer a great manager.

Soups123 · 23-03-2014 03:26PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

yes he is tactically clueless. go read that LINK!

Your proving link is just a link to another persons opinion. Some choose to read it and agree with all of it, some of it or none of it at all.

It doesn't validate any of your points and to call Wenger clueless and average removed anyone's ability to agree with points

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 03:28PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

won several trophies nearly 10 years ago! that is the point! He is no longer a great manager.

Just because they were that long ago doesn't make him clueless. Cant you see what he has done for this club in the last few years? We have a brand new stadium, the best in the league and we still remained competitive without financial doping. No other manager would sacrifice his own personal success for a club and I say that confidently. It bugs me how people cant appreciate how lucky we really are to have him.

Mickeroo · 23-03-2014 03:30PM

Soups123 wrote: »

Your proving link is just a link to another persons opinion. Some choose to read it and agree with all of it, some of it or none of it at all.

Le-Grove's Pedro is a bit of a moron tbh.

Soups123 · 23-03-2014 03:31PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Le-Grove is a bit of a moron tbh.

Yep agree I find his articles are always to reactive to our current form

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 03:31PM

Wait until Liverpool and Tottenham move to their stadiums. If they dont have a big takeover, people will realize how great Wenger is when they struggle.

cson · 23-03-2014 03:32PM

Defensive midfielder is not really a position we play; we use moreso a pivoté type that acts as a bridge between the CBs and the rest of the midfield and an interceptor rather than a destroyer when we're on the back foot.

Someone in the mould of Javi Martinez is what we need.

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 03:32PM

Soups123 wrote: »

Yep agree I find his articles are always to reactive to our current form

Always wants to kick us when we are down. Him and Tim Payton are the worst for it.

Maire2009 · 23-03-2014 03:33PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Le-Grove's Pedro can be a bit of a moron tbh.

Ah he's alright - think he just fed too much into Geoff's way of thinking. Wonder have they gone back to going to games, heard they had given up their tickets. Haven't read Le Grove in years.

jonneymendoza · 23-03-2014 03:34PM

Raf32 wrote: »

Just because they were that long ago doesn't make him clueless. Cant you see what he has done for this club in the last few years? We have a brand new stadium, the best in the league and we still remained competitive without financial doping. No other manager would sacrifice his own personal success for a club and I say that confidently. It bugs me how people cant appreciate how lucky we really are to have him.

i am grateful too have him and he has done a good job off the pitch but on the pitch he hasnt and the results speak for itself.

he needs to change his ways on the pitch or move on and let someone else do the business on the pitch because he cant at present do the business anymore

Mickeroo · 23-03-2014 03:35PM

Maire2009 wrote: »

Ah he's alright - think he just fed too much into Geoff's way of thinking. Wonder have they gone back to going to games, heard they had given up their tickets. Haven't read Le Grove in years.

He's a bit too reactionary for my liking, but bad results tend to bring the worst out in a lot of people I suppose.

gosplan · 23-03-2014 03:36PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

yes he is tactically clueless. go read that LINK!

Making a error in tactical judgement is not the same as being clueless.

Maire2009 · 23-03-2014 03:36PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

He's a bit too reactionary for my liking, but bad results tend to bring the worst out in a lot of people I suppose.

He's been like that for years. Met him and Geoff years ago, and to be fair, I've them to thank for setting me up with my first Arsenal ticket so I am grateful to them - although we did have a falling out of sorts and I've not met them in donkeys.

gosplan · 23-03-2014 03:38PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

i am grateful too have him and he has done a good job off the pitch but on the pitch he hasnt and the results speak for itself.

he needs to change his ways on the pitch or move on and let someone else do the business on the pitch because he cant at present do the business anymore

Think before you type!!!!!

greendom · 23-03-2014 03:42PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

how many CL has wenger won?

How many has guadiola, morinho etc won? loads more then wenger

Maybe you should go and support a team who dominate their leagues financially then.

If Wenger leaves at the end of the season, that's his choice and we'll have to live with finding a replacement.

If he stays and thinks he can bring back the glory days I'll be behind him 100%

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 03:44PM

If I was wenger and i saw all these ungrateful fans i would take the barca job this summer or even psg, go dominate over there and win the champions league a couple of times because he definitely would.

niallo27 · 23-03-2014 03:52PM

Raf32 wrote: »

If I was wenger and i saw all these ungrateful fans i would take the barca job this summer or even psg, go dominate over there and win the champions league a couple of times because he definitely would.

Or maybe he might think a fresh start is best for both parties. Would barca go for him. I think they would want a younger manager.

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 03:53PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Or maybe he might think a fresh start is best for both parties. Would barca go for him. I think they would want a younger manager.

Wanted him numerous times according to the media. Plays their type of football and could give it over after 2 or 3 years to someone younger. Even PSG just to stick it to them Wenger outs.

Soups123 · 23-03-2014 03:53PM

I have my concerns on Arsene a bit just stems from the fact he is there so long sometimes you can think to yourself that you are fully motivated and doing all the right things when you may not. If he stays on then we back him.

I do think though that if he went on to a Barcelona/PSG he would be a huge success and might have a little more hunger in his belly than he would with us.

I could be wrong, I would fear more mediocrity than I would fear change in any sport I am involved in

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 03:54PM

Press conference cancelled tomorrow, u21 game moved to behind closed doors and no social media interaction from anyone bar yaya since the match, something going on?

Soups123 · 23-03-2014 03:54PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Or maybe he might think a fresh start is best for both parties. Would barca go for him. I think they would want a younger manager.

Barca would take him in a heart beat

Soups123 · 23-03-2014 03:55PM

Raf32 wrote: »

Press conference cancelled tomorrow, u21 game moved to behind closed doors and no social media interaction from anyone bar yaya since the match, something going on?

A good fcukin rollicking hopefully and a lot of thinking

purplepanda · 23-03-2014 04:05PM

Raf32 wrote: »

If I was wenger and i saw all these ungrateful fans i would take the barca job this summer or even psg, go dominate over there and win the champions league a couple of times because he definitely would.

10 years ago Wenger would have been in the running for the top European club managers jobs, and enquiries obviously would have been made to attract him.

I don't see evidence of this happening over the last few years, Wenger's obvious reluctance to spend big money in the transfer market would also be a factor & his comments on financial doping / fair play wouldn't endear him to an oligarch / sheikh owner.

Top European managers nowadays have to spend big in the transfer market, Wenger would not suddenly change overnight. Football has changed & Wenger has failed to adapt to the new reality.

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