Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 mod warning post #5144

enfant terrible · 23-03-2014 02:11PM

sonic85 wrote: »

Anybody know where I can rewatch the game lads? Was away yesterday so I missed it

http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/chelsea-6-arsenal-0-motd/

Mickeroo · 23-03-2014 02:12PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Di matteo must be hailed as a god then as he done what wenger could never do and win CL and become the first london team to do so lol.

But no he is not legend, not world class manager. It is just like wenger. he has been average for a very long time!

How many trophies has Di Mattteo won? How many Arsenal managers have won more trophies than Wenger? How many managers have won more premier league titles than Wenger?

Answer those questions, just the numbers will do and then try and rationalise what you're saying using reason and logic, then I want you to write out a dictionary definition of the word average. It will give me a good laugh if nothing else.

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 02:14PM

If Wenger is "average", i hate to see what the other 19 managers in the league are.

gnfnrhead · 23-03-2014 02:16PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

I know not many would agree with me but with Klopp and Guardiola not available I would take Benitez if Wenger stepped down.

Won two La Liga's, Champions League, Uefa Cup, FA Cup got to another Champions League final and nearly a Premier League title with Liverpool.

One of the best tactical managers around and he can beat Mourinho.

Rafa isnt good for the long term. Look at what happened at Liverpool. He had a couple of good seasons then went downhill fast. I wouldnt want him for more than a year while we waited for our first choice to become available. Even then he wouldnt be close to being my first choice.

bad2dabone · 23-03-2014 02:20PM

if he does not re sign who would folks like to be the next manager?

Mickeroo · 23-03-2014 02:22PM

bad2dabone wrote: »

if he does not re sign who would folks like to be the next manager?

Klopp would be my dream candidate, he looks more gettable than this time last year too what with the rest of the league looking like feeder clubs to Bayern at this stage. Still highly unlikely though of course.

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 02:24PM

bad2dabone wrote: »

if he does not re sign who would folks like to be the next manager?

Klopp but wont happen. Low would be excellent imo and definitely would take it. Martinez in 3 years time, not now. But really want Arsene to stay he still has a lot to offer.

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 02:27PM

Jan Aage Fjortoft ‏@JanAageFjortoft 8s
Re: Draxler
Looks like Arsenal have cooled down their interest in player after scouting reports tell them he can't be made into a striker

Maybe we are looking for the striker afterall

enfant terrible · 23-03-2014 02:27PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Klopp would be my dream candidate, he looks more gettable than this time last year too what with the rest of the league looking like feeder clubs to Bayern at this stage. Still highly unlikely though of course.

Very unlikely I'd say he signed a new contract six months ago.

Royal Legend · 23-03-2014 02:30PM

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Rafa isnt good for the long term. Look at what happened at Liverpool. He had a couple of good seasons then went downhill fast. I wouldnt want him for more than a year while we waited for our first choice to become available. Even then he wouldnt be close to being my first choice.

You listen too much to the british media who portray him as lucky or a failure?

he competed and beat Barca and Real in Spain, twice winning La Liga, he won a CL with Liverpool, with a poor squad, mainly with his tactical acumen, he also got them to a second CL final in 2007 with his squad and was unlucky to lose to Milan. In 2008 Liverpool played open expansive football and challenged for the league, that he got no backing after this from owners you would not wish on any club paved the way for him to leave Liverpool. (Even in the position Liverpool are in now and the football they are playing under Rodgers, there are still a sizeable amount of Liverpool fans that would welcome back Rafa tomorrow) He also put a lot of effort into the Liverpool academy and brought in Borrell from Barca to develop it further. Some of those academy players are starting to come through, Flanagan, Sterling etc
He also won the Europa league with Chelsea. even allowing for ignorant, unintelligent Chelsea fans wanting him out LOL.
He is one of the best managers in world football, if Wenger was to go and with the panel and academy you have, he would be a great replacement. Personally, I would not get rid of Wenger if I was Arsenal, but he does need to listen to some advice and take it on board, if he remains belligerent to criticism then he will sign his own warrant.

cson · 23-03-2014 02:33PM

Yesterday was a very low point; I don't think anyone can disagree that AW is one of the greatest of all times but he does have very apparent flaws. It was as clear as day from the first 5 minutes; even before they scored the first that Mourinho had taken the Rodgers template and applied it to us; cede massive possession, flood the midfield and then counter down the flanks as our full backs push up. The madness of not directing Gibbs and Sagna to be more conservative, but more pointedly, not directing Arteta to sit was criminal.

Notwithstanding that I think player for player they are better than us; they're not 6 goals better than us and the blame for that lies squarely with the manager. His refusal to alter his approach has yielded some serious hammerings for us this year; you just can't go away from home and play the way we play with the players we have and expect to win.

Giroud isn't good enough; Arteta's legs are gone, Gibbs needs to seriously improve, Santi is suffering somewhat from second season syndrome and as much as I like Poldi, he's not a starter against opponents the calibre of Chelsea.

Yesterday would make me think that Wenger might not sign a new contract.

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 02:38PM

Gonna say something and nobody will agree with me but in the big games i would'nt play Arteta and Per. Teams are seeing how slow they are and with that they can push their line forward because we have no threat in behind with Walcott out. This means they can literally play through us and in behind. Any player with a bit of pace and we are in trouble. Only my two cents but cant be carrying 3 passengers (arteta, giroud, per) in big games. We could get away with one and i would make the exception for Per because he is world class but the other two cant be starting.

enfant terrible · 23-03-2014 02:41PM

cson wrote: »

Yesterday was a very low point; I don't think anyone can disagree that AW is one of the greatest of all times but he does have very apparent flaws. It was as clear as day from the first 5 minutes; even before they scored the first that Mourinho had taken the Rodgers template and applied it to us; cede massive possession, flood the midfield and then counter down the flanks as our full backs push up. The madness of not directing Gibbs and Sagna to be more conservative, but more pointedly, not directing Arteta to sit was criminal.

Notwithstanding that I think player for player they are better than us; they're not 6 goals better than us and the blame for that lies squarely with the manager. His refusal to alter his approach has yielded some serious hammerings for us this year; you just can't go away from home and play the way we play with the players we have and expect to win.

Giroud isn't good enough; Arteta's legs are gone, Gibbs needs to seriously improve, Santi is suffering somewhat from second season syndrome and as much as I like Poldi, he's not a starter against opponents the calibre of Chelsea.

Yesterday would make me think that Wenger might not sign a new contract.

Gibbs frustrates me the most, I was at the Everton game at the Emirates and he lost the ball deep in Everton's half then proceeded to jog back to try regain his position, he just doesn't seem to care.

cson · 23-03-2014 02:42PM

Mikel's legs are gone, playing in midfield with the game we play just makes it more apparent. Got two great years out of him and he can probably do a job for us off the bench or against teams that aren't as technically good as us but he can't be starting from next season onwards. Same goes for Flamini.

Soups123 · 23-03-2014 02:45PM

Some of the sh*t spouted in here since last night is my biggest hate in football.

Media/Fans are portraying Roger as doing amazing, one poster said he took Arsenes template and adapted and now there great? They are 3 pts ahead of Arsenal out of both domestic cups and had no European football to worry about. We also have an awful injury table yet some are talking about him to Barcelona and/or a new long term contract with Liverpool but Arsene is past it? Really?

No issue with saying a manager needs to go but he is two winnable wins away from an FA cup, closer to a league title than we have been for years. If there is now money to spend and he is willing to spend it then he deserves the next 3 years to give it a go, if it's there and he doesn't want to spend it then that's a different matter.

Before any Pool fan bites the above isn't aimed at Rogers it's aimed at those calling for two different outcomes for two managers who's season isn't a hairs length apart

jonneymendoza · 23-03-2014 02:46PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

How many trophies has Di Mattteo won? How many Arsenal managers have won more trophies than Wenger? How many managers have won more premier league titles than Wenger?

Answer those questions, just the numbers will do and then try and rationalise what you're saying using reason and logic, then I want you to write out a dictionary definition of the word average. It will give me a good laugh if nothing else.

how many CL has wenger won?

How many has guadiola, morinho etc won? loads more then wenger

gosplan · 23-03-2014 02:46PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Di matteo must be hailed as a god then as he done what wenger could never do and win CL and become the first london team to do so lol.

But no he is not legend, not world class manager. It is just like wenger. he has been average for a very long time!

You don't know what the word average means.

It does not mean 'not top level'

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 02:48PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

how many CL has wenger won?

How many has guadiola, morinho etc won? loads more then wenger

Pep hasnt taken the hardest jobs in the world in fairness to him, handed two of the best teams ever. Sure he didnt a good bit with Barca but he was literally handed that Munich team which is near perfect. How much money has Mourinho had? He has always been backed well.

jonneymendoza · 23-03-2014 02:50PM

Soups123 wrote: »

Some of the sh*t spouted in here since last night is my biggest hate in football.

Media/Fans are portraying Roger as doing amazing, one poster said he took Arsenes template and adapted and now there great? They are 3 pts ahead of Arsenal out of both domestic cups and had no European football to worry about. We also have an awful injury table yet some are talking about him to Barcelona and/or a new long term contract with Liverpool but Arsene is past it? Really?

No issue with saying a manager needs to go but he is two winnable wins away from an FA cup, closer to a league title than we have been for years. If there is now money to spend and he is willing to spend it then he deserves the next 3 years to give it a go, if it's there and he doesn't want to spend it then that's a different matter.

Before any Pool fan bites the above isn't aimed at Rogers it's aimed at those calling for two different outcomes for two managers who's season isn't a hairs length apart

you still dont get it. It is not about us being out of the title race, it is the manner in which we always falter in the exact same ****ing way for the past 9 years that you do not get at all!

Id take a 2:0 loss to chelsea with a performance that really stressed and troubled and matches chelsea over a piss poor sunday leage performance.

Wenger is tacicaly clueless. That is the damm point. There is even a article that someone posted here that you should read to actually understand!

jonneymendoza · 23-03-2014 02:52PM

Raf32 wrote: »

Pep hasnt taken the hardest jobs in the world in fairness to him, handed two of the best teams ever. Sure he didnt a good bit with Barca but he was literally handed that Munich team which is near perfect. How much money has Mourinho had? He has always been backed well.

How much money did Morinho have at Porto?

Again missing the point, Wenger is tactically clueless

Soups123 · 23-03-2014 02:53PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

you still dont get it. It is not about us being out of the title race, it is the manner in which we always falter in the exact same ****ing way for the past 9 years that you do not get at all!

Id take a 2:0 loss to chelsea with a performance that really stressed and troubled and matches chelsea over a piss poor sunday leage performance.

Wenger is tacicaly clueless. That is the damm point. There is even a article that someone posted here that you should read to actually understand!

Someone doesn't get it Jonny but I don't think it's me

cson · 23-03-2014 02:54PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

How much money did Morinho have at Porto?

Again missing the point, Wenger is tactically clueless

Mourinho had a lot of money at Porto. They weren't and aren't paupers.

He's not tactically clueless, that's an absolutely absurd statement. He's tactically inflexible if you're going to level anything like that at him.

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 02:54PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

How much money did Morinho have at Porto?

Again missing the point, Wenger is tactically clueless

same logic of no money can be used of having no money in 2004 so when we were unbeaten, same year Mourinho won the CL. Its easy to be tactically spot on when you have players in each position that cost 20+ million each. We have to make do 10 million players in a lot of positions and Wenger is overachieving with that imo.

Mickeroo · 23-03-2014 02:57PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

How much money did Morinho have at Porto?

Again missing the point, Wenger is tactically clueless

Notice on the previous page how cson criticised both the manager and the team yet nobody has a problem with what they said?

cson · 23-03-2014 03:00PM

Sagna, Ozil, Walcott, Mertesacker, Ramsey and potentially Sczcsney would be in the top 3 in their positions in the league at the moment.

Using that as a base and allowing for two 'water carriers' that every team has, you're probably looking at 3 to 4 world class players to kick us on.

Anyway, I digress. There's the whole summer to discuss this ****e. What's important now is that we win the FA Cup and win as many as possible league games between now and the end of the season. I'd target the City game as being one where we go all out to win and show everyone that there is a bit of fight in us.

We gave the league a good run this year in fairness, led for a while but just didn't have the squad depth or x factor to sustain a challenge - how different it could have been had a certain Uruguayan got his wish back in July. Though whether we'd have signed Ozil after that is doubtful.

Its been a good season with plenty of positives and I think any of us would have taken finishing within ~6pts of the league winners and an FA Cup at the start of season. So lets get behind the team and hope that they can achieve that.

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 03:02PM

Sorry but i dont get why people think BFG is better than Kos? its not even close imo

Soups123 · 23-03-2014 03:05PM

Raf32 wrote: »

Sorry but i dont get why people think BFG is better than Kos? its not even close imo

I think Kos is the better player but BFG is more important to the unit

Mr Blobby · 23-03-2014 03:05PM

cson wrote: »

Sagna, Ozil, Walcott, Mertesacker, Ramsey and potentially Sczcsney would be in the top 3 in their positions in the league at the moment.

Using that as a base and allowing for two 'water carriers' that every team has, you're probably looking at 3 to 4 world class players to kick us on.

I'd have Koscielny in there also.
Statistically he's been great (par a few brain farts)

Mickeroo · 23-03-2014 03:05PM

Raf32 wrote: »

Sorry but i dont get why people think BFG is better than Kos? its not even close imo

I think Kosc is more prone to errors than Mert but I wouldn't put much between them tbh. I think they're both very different types of defenders but work brilliantly as a unit (apart from the 3 obvious occasions).

Mr Blobby · 23-03-2014 03:07PM

Raf32 wrote: »

Sorry but i dont get why people think BFG is better than Kos? its not even close imo

BFG keeps us steady and calm.
He's not been far off Koscielny this season and is just as important.

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