Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 mod warning post #5144

jonneymendoza · 23-03-2014 12:14PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Of course it has to do with AW, but based on resourses its exactly what he should be doing.

Most Liverpool managers the last 20 years have been below standard. They finally get in a good manager with Rodgers and look at them.

Arsenal have some of the biggest commercial deals in the league, big stadium, high paying fans. Hardly a pauper. Its not that he isn't winning the league, but he shows no signs that they are closer to winning it than years ago.

Good managers don't make mistakes, good managers learn from them. Which of these is Wenger?

Well said. This is why Wenger is average at present. Doesn' learn from his mistakes! Why can't most of the Arsenal fans here see that?

omega man · 23-03-2014 12:15PM

G1032 wrote: »

Worth a read........ A lot of valid points

http://le-grove.co.uk/2014/03/23/i-hope-arsene-doesnt-sign/

Can't argue with most of that.

These bits stand out for me:

"Tactics: He has no interest in the opposition. He’s on record as saying so and you can see it in our approach, which bar the odd personnel change, is always the same. There is never a surprise when Arsenal play."

"We have ONE striker. We’ve been through two transfer windows and that wasn’t addressed. It’s negligence in the extreme."

Personally I'm starting to consider the possibility that no matter what players he brings in we may never see major success again unless he adapts to modern management, tactical variations at the very least.

jonneymendoza · 23-03-2014 12:17PM

G1032 wrote: »

Quite possibly the most ridiculous couple of sentences I've ever read on the internet............
I didn't continue to read the rest of the post...............

Wenger the Master of failure lol as. Morninho points out.

You should read the the rest of my post to understand why I think he is now an average manager.

G1032 · 23-03-2014 12:17PM

keano_afc wrote: »

Finding it hard to disagree with a lot of that.

Ya. Me too. I'd be in the pro Wenger camp but that article alone world make one think twice

jonneymendoza · 23-03-2014 12:18PM

omega man wrote: »

Can't argue with most of that.

These bits stand out for me:

"Tactics: He has no interest in the opposition. He’s on record as saying so and you can see it in our approach, which bar the odd personnel change, is always the same. There is never a surprise when Arsenal play."

"We have ONE striker. We’ve been through two transfer windows and that wasn’t addressed. It’s negligence in the extreme."

Personally I'm starting to consider the possibility that no matter what players he brings in we may never see major success again unless he adapts to modern management, tactical variations at the very least.

And if people bothered to read my post properly this is more or less what I said!

wonski · 23-03-2014 12:19PM

Interesting that after the beating we got last night people blame Wenger.
I blame Ox.

Who does that so early in a game

We have so many players unavailable at this stage - crucial players - that it was no surprise to me that the end of the season will be a tough one.
With City and Everton left to play being in 4th would be acceptable, and all we deserve now.

Money need to be spent in the summer, and we can try again.
There is a potential, but at this stage we can't compete with Chelsea/City.
Liverpool is another story this season.

I doubt Wenger, or any other Premier League manager doesn't want to spend money if he had them. If we stay on top 4 - which is achievable now - we should be in position to bring some top players and chase the title next season.

Great start this season, great finish in the last one.
Now time to do it the right way for the whole season.

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 12:22PM

but are we not in the same position as last year if we come fourth? not able to sign players until we are fully qualified?

jonneymendoza · 23-03-2014 12:25PM

Raf32 wrote: »

but are we not in the same position as last year if we come fourth? not able to sign players until we are fully qualified?

good point and what if man united by some miracle wins the CL?

they it is only the top 3 that qualify.

wonski · 23-03-2014 12:32PM

Raf32 wrote: »

but are we not in the same position as last year if we come fourth? not able to sign players until we are fully qualified?

Some players may appreciate that - going by the stats - we are well capable of winning the title and reaching something in CL.

Last year we got to the top last minute, this season we "secured" the place earlier in the season, and then injuries arrived.
Not sure if prospective players, and their agents, have the same view before signing, but it should matter.
Time will tell.

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 12:33PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

good point and what if man united by some miracle wins the CL?

they it is only the top 3 that qualify.

I hope that doesnt happen but can never be too sure. We have to be coming in the top three and i know it looks tough but all we need is one of them to slip up and hopefully we can take advantage. Need to get that goal difference up, could be crucial to getting third.

Spanish Johnny · 23-03-2014 12:33PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Another fan that has not been to a match? If you did you would know how most fans feel the same about Wenger. He is average now at present. Past it. Won't ever win a title or cl with arsenal ever.

Like I said. If he can change his ways next season that's fine but if not be should go. Simple.

I get to my one or two matches a year the United one being the last one. Your posts are idiotic and the fact that you attend more matches than most here does not make your posts anymorr valid than everyone elses.

And to suggest the majority of fans at the games want Wenger out is ridiculous and wrong

wonski · 23-03-2014 12:33PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

good point and what if man united by some miracle wins the CL?

they it is only the top 3 that qualify.

That miracle isn't going to happen;) Bayern is undestructible at this moment.

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 12:36PM

Ox getting banned for three games, when it rains it pours for us I feel. We have nothing on the bench now.

jonneymendoza · 23-03-2014 12:37PM

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

I get to my one or two matches a year the United one being the last one. Your posts are idiotic and the fact that you attend more matches than most here does not make your posts anymorr valid than everyone elses.

And to suggest the majority of fans at the games want Wenger out is ridiculous and wrong

next time i go i will record some footage and post it here

efb · 23-03-2014 12:39PM

Raf32 wrote: »

Ox getting banned for three games, when it rains it pours for us I feel. We have nothing on the bench now.

One game

Mr Blobby · 23-03-2014 12:39PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

next time i go i will record some footage and post it here

Don't bother..

omega man · 23-03-2014 12:40PM

wonski wrote: »

Interesting that after the beating we got last night people blame Wenger.
I blame Ox.

Who does that so early in a game

We have so many players unavailable at this stage - crucial players - that it was no surprise to me that the end of the season will be a tough one.
With City and Everton left to play being in 4th would be acceptable, and all we deserve now.

Money need to be spent in the summer, and we can try again.
There is a potential, but at this stage we can't compete with Chelsea/City.
Liverpool is another story this season.

I doubt Wenger, or any other Premier League manager doesn't want to spend money if he had them. If we stay on top 4 - which is achievable now - we should be in position to bring some top players and chase the title next season.

Great start this season, great finish in the last one.
Now time to do it the right way for the whole season.

Sorry it's all on wenger for me.

The reasons:

1. His players
2. 2 transfer windows to address glaring CF problem (summer and winter windows) and injury replacements, specifically Walcott and Ramsey (winter window)
3. Dubious tactical preparations for top 4 opposition games, particularly away from home.

Bridge93 · 23-03-2014 12:41PM

Raf32 wrote: »

I hope that doesnt happen but can never be too sure. We have to be coming in the top three and i know it looks tough but all we need is one of them to slip up and hopefully we can take advantage. Need to get that goal difference up, could be crucial to getting third.

Goal difference is irrelevant for arsenal now. There is not a hope in hell of their goal difference catching the other 3.

augustus gloop · 23-03-2014 12:52PM

well please god he does leave at the end of the season, and by some almighty quirk, he comes to Anfield as a director for FSG. his mind for running a club financially(at least) is unparalleled.
I must admit, I always thought his lack of interest in finding a world class GK when they were a world class team held Arsenal back.
And on another note I think his style is what BR has adapted and slightly changed into the way Liverpool play now.

enfant terrible · 23-03-2014 01:00PM

omega man wrote: »

Sorry it's all on wenger for me.

3. Dubious tactical preparations for top 4 opposition games, particularly away from home.

Yes and you don't need a tactical master class to play the top 4 away from home.

West Ham and West Brom got a point at stamford bridge this season with defensive discipline, Norwich beat City at the etihad.

If Wenger even just set the team up to keep things tight in the first half then try to nick a goal in the second half, we may win, we may lose but at least we have a plan.

He did it to get us to the champions league final in 06 but won't do it any more for some reason.

These big hammering by our rivals are damaging our fans, our reputation with sponsors and chances of buying top players in the summer.

Galvasean · 23-03-2014 01:49PM

Wenger an 'average' manager who will not be remembered? I've heard it all now.
Yes, I'm sure when people visit the stadium he brought us to and look at the one of a kind golden Premier League trophy that sits there people will be scratching their heads thinking, "What average manager did all of this?".

bad2dabone · 23-03-2014 01:53PM

G1032 wrote: »

Worth a read........ A lot of valid points

http://le-grove.co.uk/2014/03/23/i-hope-arsene-doesnt-sign/

a good article. I'll never call for his head though, he'll always be a hero of mine. But his flaws being so ruthlessly exposed by that ..... individual..... Mourinho, that hurts.
I dunno i'ld like to see him succeed, but if he stepped down after winning the FA Cup then he could do so with his reputation and dignity restored I think.

sonic85 · 23-03-2014 01:55PM

Anybody know where I can rewatch the game lads? Was away yesterday so I missed it

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 01:56PM

sonic85 wrote: »

Anybody know where I can rewatch the game lads? Was away yesterday so I missed it

You really dont want to do that to yourself

jonneymendoza · 23-03-2014 02:00PM

Galvasean wrote: »

Wenger an 'average' manager who will not be remembered? I've heard it all now.
Yes, I'm sure when people visit the stadium he brought us to and look at the one of a kind golden Premier League trophy that sits there people will be scratching their heads thinking, "What average manager did all of this?".

Di matteo must be hailed as a god then as he done what wenger could never do and win CL and become the first london team to do so lol.

But no he is not legend, not world class manager. It is just like wenger. he has been average for a very long time!

enfant terrible · 23-03-2014 02:00PM

I know not many would agree with me but with Klopp and Guardiola not available I would take Benitez if Wenger stepped down.

Won two La Liga's, Champions League, Uefa Cup, FA Cup got to another Champions League final and nearly a Premier League title with Liverpool.

One of the best tactical managers around and he can beat Mourinho.

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 02:02PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

I know not many would agree with me but with Klopp and Guardiola not available I would take Benitez if Wenger stepped down.

Won two La Liga's, Champions League, Uefa Cup, FA Cup got to another Champions League final and nearly a Premier League title with Liverpool.

One of the best tactical managers around and he can beat Mourinho.

I would be gutted if we took such a step down from Wenger to Rafa tbh. Klopp or Low for me.

sonic85 · 23-03-2014 02:03PM

Raf32 wrote: »

You really dont want to do that to yourself

Ah I do! I was getting stopped by strangers in the street having a laugh at me. Seems I picked a bad day to wear my jersey

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 02:05PM

sonic85 wrote: »

Ah I do! I was getting stopped by strangers in the street having a laugh at me. Seems I picked a bad day to wear my jersey

Ouch, your taking one for the team :pac: id say you could get the highlights on bbc player for motd but not sure after that.

sonic85 · 23-03-2014 02:09PM

Raf32 wrote: »

Ouch, your taking one for the team :pac: id say you could get the highlights on bbc player for motd but not sure after that.

Thatll do ill have a look - thanks!

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