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  • #62
    Jumboman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭Jumboman


    Holsten wrote: »
    It would be on their Pulse system but I don't believe that this would show up on vetting.

    Not every garda station has the pluse system.


  • #63
    Holsten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Holsten


    Jumboman wrote: »
    Not every garda station has the pluse system.
    No idea if they do or not but the Vetting Bureau sure as **** do.


  • #64
    V.W.L 11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭V.W.L 11


    Holsten wrote: »
    No idea if they do or not but the Vetting Bureau sure as **** do.

    What do they define as a risk to children apart from the paedophile and sexual offenders???


  • #65
    Waking-Dreams
    Closed Accounts Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Waking-Dreams


    Currently, they don’t define what is ‘a risk’ because specified information is not on their pulse system. The Bureau disclose ALL prosecutions and convictions and let the employer/agency decide.

    But when the new legislation comes in, that will change. Then, not only will they continue to disclose prosecutions and convictions but any specified information as well that will be on their system (which could end up there from the HSE or CFA sharing it with them).

    So, potentially, if you had your children taken off you once upon a time for neglect – while that is not a conviction it could be relevant if you were applying for a job or voluntary work with children. Perhaps there have been several allegations made against you by several children from different sources – that could also be disclosed as well if they deemed it a risk. You are given the option to appeal (and explain the situation to the Bureau) but if they have deemed it necessary to disclose then you may be fighting an uphill battle.


  • #66
    StephenRe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 ✭StephenRe


    Does anyone know what the difference between a charge and a conviction is when it comes to your criminal record?

    About 10 years ago I had charges pressed against me, for a crime which I was completely innocent of - they were subsequently dropped by the accuser 24 hours before I had my day in court and I never heard about it again.

    Have been worried for a while that it's still on my permanent record and could be used against me when working abroad etc

    Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks!


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  • #67
    buytolet89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 42 ✭buytolet89


    I think it stays unfortunately, can you still travel to the states with a cr?

    People i know that have been in prison have taken holidays to the states (seen facebook pics etc) I always thought if you had a cr you were barred from the USA for life, not even a holiday


  • #68
    Holsten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Holsten


    StephenRe wrote: »
    Does anyone know what the difference between a charge and a conviction is when it comes to your criminal record?

    About 10 years ago I had charges pressed against me, for a crime which I was completely innocent of - they were subsequently dropped by the accuser 24 hours before I had my day in court and I never heard about it again.

    Have been worried for a while that it's still on my permanent record and could be used against me when working abroad etc

    Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
    Charged is when you are formally charged with a crime, start of the process.

    Conviction is when you have been found or plead guilty in court to an offense and received a punishment such as jail, a fine, etc..

    I don't know for sure but I think that would classed as an unsuccessful prosecution and would show up on Garda Vetting. I don't know if it's the same for a Garda Cert for foreign work.


  • #69
    Holsten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Holsten


    buytolet89 wrote: »
    I think it stays unfortunately, can you still travel to the states with a cr?

    People i know that have been in prison have taken holidays to the states (seen facebook pics etc) I always thought if you had a cr you were barred from the USA for life, not even a holiday
    Being barred for life is a myth.

    The US have no way of knowing you have a criminal record unless you tell them yourself so I advise anyone to say nothing.

    Second even if you do tell them, it depends on so many factors that will decide if they let you in or not.

    It's not just a record, the US will want to know if you've ever even be arrested without charge.


  • #70
    Jumboman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭Jumboman


    Holsten wrote: »
    Being barred for life is a myth.

    The US have no way of knowing you have a criminal record unless you tell them yourself so I advise anyone to say nothing.

    Second even if you do tell them, it depends on so many factors that will decide if they let you in or not.

    It's not just a record, the US will want to know if you've ever even be arrested without charge.


    Thats not true the CIA etc know just about everything about everyone on the planet.

    Its more than likely they would have either direct or indirect access to the pulse system.


  • #71
    V.W.L 11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭V.W.L 11


    Waking-Dreams wrote: »
    Currently, they don’t define what is ‘a risk’ because specified information is not on their pulse system. The Bureau disclose ALL prosecutions and convictions and let the employer/agency decide.

    But when the new legislation comes in, that will change. Then, not only will they continue to disclose prosecutions and convictions but any specified information as well that will be on their system (which could end up there from the HSE or CFA sharing it with them).

    So, potentially, if you had your children taken off you once upon a time for neglect – while that is not a conviction it could be relevant if you were applying for a job or voluntary work with children. Perhaps there have been several allegations made against you by several children from different sources – that could also be disclosed as well if they deemed it a risk. You are given the option to appeal (and explain the situation to the Bureau) but if they have deemed it necessary to disclose then you may be fighting an uphill battle.
    will they continue disclosing non convictions in the changes that are being planned???


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  • #72
    V.W.L 11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭V.W.L 11


    Re: Garda Vetting,take a look at www.iprt.ie it makes interesting reading regarding vetting and convictions.:D


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