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77 year old man arrested in connection with mcconville murder

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  • #62
    Tramps Like Us
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    gallag wrote: »
    What info was she getting to pass on to the security forces? We're random IRA men just blabing detailed planes to this single mother? Also if she was a James bond type character mabey that's not a bad thing? These "touts" saved countless lives during the troubles, if she could have been involved in stopping the IRA bombing a public area and killing children would that have made her a bitch worthy of being dragged away in front of her own kids?

    If you lived in a community like that in the early seventies you could pretty much name the local people who were in the IRA.


  • #63
    gallag
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭gallag


    Tramps Like Us wrote: »
    If you lived in a community like that in the early seventies you could pretty much name the local people who were in the IRA.

    And so could the local police and security forces! Hell people in the other community's knew who the opposition were, I assume she had to be giving more info than "such and such is in the RA"


  • #64
    Tramps Like Us
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    gallag wrote: »
    And so could the local police and security forces! Hell people in the other community's knew who the opposition were, I assume she had to be giving more info than "such and such is in the RA"

    I imagine it would have to do with the movements of said individuals, hence the transmitter.

    Anyway, the police would not necessarily know who was in the IRA or have proof of it


  • #65
    J Cheever Loophole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 982 ✭✭✭J Cheever Loophole


    goose2005 wrote: »
    The PUP would find something to complain about if it was 100 republicans arrested for every 1 loyalist.

    No doubt at all. However concerns around unrest in that quarter appear to be increasing and it would come as no surprise if this arrest was a move to appease that.


  • #66
    gallag
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭gallag


    We will never know! My point is if she was an informer is that an excuse to absolve the IRA of this horror? What if she heard plans to explode a bomb where children would be the likely target and was guided by her conscience as a mother. This woman could well be a hero!


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  • #67
    Karl Stein
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    gallag wrote: »
    These "touts" saved countless lives during the troubles,

    There was plenty of them up to their necks in blood too so I'm not sure that the claim they were 'saving lives' holds water.

    Informers are usually greedy for money, have some sort of grudge against their 'comrades' (or some combination of the two) rather than feeling an overwhelming sense of duty to the enemy public.


  • #68
    Tramps Like Us
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    gallag wrote: »
    We will never know! My point is if she was an informer is that an excuse to absolve the IRA of this horror? What if she heard plans to explode a bomb where children would be the likely target and was guided by her conscience as a mother. This woman could well be a hero!

    Thats what I was asking earlier, people whop hate the IRA go mad when people say she was an informer, that never made sense to me, do they feel that informing on the IRA was wrong?


  • #69
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Tramps Like Us wrote: »
    people ... go mad when people say she was an informer.

    It goes a little like this:

    A: 'Gerry Adams was in the IRA, sure didn't the IRA volunteers who shot Jean McConville say so'?

    B: 'But they also say that Jean McConville was an informer'.

    A: LIARS! :mad:


  • #70
    Fratton Fred
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    Son falls in with the wrong crowd and ends up in prison.

    Mother acts on mothers instinct and tries to help son.

    Mother disappears.


  • #71
    meoklmrk91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,083 ✭✭✭meoklmrk91


    In my book whether she was an informer or not the didn't deserve t be dragged it if her home and murdered, her children didnt deserve to be left orphans and they didn't deserve having to spend all this time wondering where there mother was buried and what exactly happened to her.

    Those were different times, I understand that but that doesn't absolve those who killed Jean McConville of their sins, or anyone else for that matter, on either side. The should have the decency to come out and tell the truth for the sake of their victims families. I know that it isn't that easy but it s the right thing to do and it's probably the only way that the bitterness can be cut.


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  • #72
    Tramps Like Us
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Son falls in with the wrong crowd and ends up in prison.

    Mother acts on mothers instinct and tries to help son.

    Mother disappears.

    Tbh I dont see how informing could have helped her son whatsoever, the opposite in fact


  • #73
    goat2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,934 ✭✭✭goat2


    a terrible thing to happen to a family, their father dead, their mother taken from them, how they must have been, lost, hurt, living with this all their lives,
    was her body ever found,
    was the individual who has been arrested a member of ira,
    i hope her family gets answers, they deserve,
    what she must have suffered,
    dreadful.


  • #74
    OneWayAround
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 37 ✭OneWayAround


    Lets hope the family gets answers and they find out what happened to their mother. There's no doubt that she was an informant but she didn't deserve what happened to her.


  • #75
    goat2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,934 ✭✭✭goat2


    informant or not,
    she was a widow trying to rear a family who need her very much,
    who ever did it was evil,
    they did not think of the hard times she was having on her own,
    and how important she was to her children,

    would they like to lose their mother in this fashion


  • #76
    OneWayAround
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    It was a sick murder and hopefully whoever done it will suffer even all these years later. Those who used a poor Mother struggling to raise her kids on her own as an informant should suffer also in my opinion.


  • #77
    K-9
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    Karl Stein wrote: »
    I find the two snippets of intelligence forthcoming from military sources at the time interesting: the first one states that they believed:



    Military intelligence thought the abduction was an elaborate hoax? Why? Then 11 days later MI said they believed that:



    So they change tack and claim she left of her own will? Why? How would they know? Were they being fed bad information from informants or were they deliberately engaging in obfuscation because an informant they hadn't protected properly had been killed?

    Probably just reporting the stuff that was "rumoured" locally, she was reportedly sighted a few times after the abduction. Seems to have been a lot of misinformation around, probably mostly by the ones who killed her.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #78
    mrsbyrne
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    Great news. Ivor Bell charged with aiding and abetting murder and membership of the IRA.


  • #79
    Dyr
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    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Great news. Ivor Bell charged with aiding and abetting murder and membership of the IRA.


    Ah you've resurfaced, few questions back a few pages you might want to answer bud

    in your own time like


  • #80
    porsche959
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    Tramps Like Us wrote: »
    Thats what I was asking earlier, people whop hate the IRA go mad when people say she was an informer, that never made sense to me, do they feel that informing on the IRA was wrong?

    What I also find strange is that when it suits them, people who are obsessed with criticising Sinn Fein and the IRA hold up the testimony of two convicted IRA terrorists who implicated Adams as gospel (the late Dolours Price and the late Brendan Hughes).


  • #81
    tomwaterford
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    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    She was an impoverished mother to 10 children and widowed only the year before... and people are downplaying her murder, whatabouting, and using it to complain about gender inequality in terms of the reporting of it. What is wrong with some people... :-/
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Son falls in with the wrong crowd and ends up in prison.

    Mother acts on mothers instinct and tries to help son.

    Mother disappears.

    a truly terrible murder....if she was an informer why was she not banished from the country....
    she a mother of ten children ffs :mad::mad:

    security services have a lot to answer using such a vunerable person...knowing full well that if she caught (which she was more than once by all accounts) what the outcome would be for her...
    adbucting her in front of her children and hiding her body is undefendable.


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  • #82
    FTA69
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    Personally I think the Brits are a bit embarrassed over having to release John Downey (the man charged with the Hyde Park bomb) so now Ivor Bell is to be made a bit of a sacrificial lamb so to speak. He won't tell them a thing anyway, and rightly so.


  • #83
    gallag
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    Last two posts, it's all the brits fault!


  • #84
    tomwaterford
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    Personally I think the Brits are a bit embarrassed over having to release John Downey (the man charged with the Hyde Park bomb) so now Ivor Bell is to be made a bit of a sacrificial lamb so to speak. He won't tell them a thing anyway, and rightly so.

    in all fairness he was never to break:pac:

    the only way to settle this once and for all is have a 3 year commission of truth and whoever takes part and is willing to put their name to the truth will be immune from prosecution (severe sentence for lying to said commission) and no convictions to be saught from any details outlined to it
    bring cases against those who wont participate then (on all sides)

    a bureau of military history like what was done with old IRA

    they are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past as afaik every 40 - 50 years in irish history uprising occur if this opportunity is missed...it would be a shame not to settle up all loose ends

    there are so many families that are at least owed a explanation on what exactly happened to loved ones


  • #85
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    Bambi wrote: »
    Ah you've resurfaced, few questions back a few pages you might want to answer bud

    in your own time like

    Just went back and had a look, well yeah, drunken lynch mobs are not ever a pretty sight, butwhy has this description upset you so much?
    Are you not happy about this sensational turn of events then?


  • #86
    FTA69
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    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Just went back and had a look, well yeah, drunken lynch mobs are not ever a pretty sight, butwhy has this description upset you so much?
    Are you not happy about this sensational turn of events then?

    Where did you get this "drunken mob" lark from out of curiosity?


  • #87
    Dyr
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    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Just went back and had a look, well yeah, drunken lynch mobs are not ever a pretty sight, butwhy has this description upset you so much?
    Are you not happy about this sensational turn of events then?

    Never said it upset me, im propbaly less upset about it than you are about about all the victims of violence during the troubles. Although that may not be much of an achievement

    just asked you where you got the information that there was drunken lynch mob frothing at the mouth there.

    It could be that you have inside information on this case that you should share with the PSNI

    Or it could be that you were just spewing horse ****e :)


  • #88
    getzls
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    tomwaterford wrote: »
    :

    the only way to settle this once and for all is have a 3 year commission of truth and whoever takes part and is willing to put their name to the truth will be immune from prosecution

    The Shinners/IRA have told that many lies they don't know what the truth is.

    Marty and Gerry being prime examples, will never work.


  • #89
    tomwaterford
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    getzls wrote: »
    The Shinners/IRA have told that many lies they don't know what the truth is.

    Marty and Gerry being prime examples, will never work.

    why will it not, if they are gaurneeteed immune from prosecution (its very naïve for people to criticize adams for saying he was never in the ira...in all fairness he isn't going to imcriminate himself:rolleyes::rolleyes:)

    what remains to be seen is if all others in the conflict would provide their evidence to the inquiry


  • #90
    mrsbyrne
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    Bambi wrote: »
    Never said it upset me, im propbaly less upset about it than you are about about all the victims of violence during the troubles. Although that may not be much of an achievement

    just asked you where you got the information that there was drunken lynch mob frothing at the mouth there.

    It could be that you have inside information on this case that you should share with the PSNI

    Or it could be that you were just spewing horse ****e :)

    OK so we're agreed about them being cowardly brain dead scumbags, its just the drunken lynch mob slur you object to?
    Fine, so they were a stone cold sober advance party of cowardly brain dead scumbags.


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  • #91
    Femme_Fatale
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    I'm not anti (non violent) republican, but it's saddening to see people skirt around and whatabout in relation to this slaying, and talk about how she should have been relocated by the British army (that's if she was an informant).


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