Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

Mr Williams · 18-03-2014 05:27PM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Run wild in the community? Sensationalise much?? Is it ok if he walks calmly and at a moderate pace?

Like it or not, he has done his time and there is no legal provision for following his every move. I guess the supervisory mechanism you have in mind is the tabloid type - pictures of him wearing a hoody ducking into or out of a train station, and hysterical facebook warnings about "recent sightings". Sorry but that doesn't help anyone, it just fuels the mob mentality.

He is on the sex offenders reg. He's hardly likely to be given a job where he will be a danger to others. He will also probably be required to sign on in garda stations at frequent intervals.

What do you want? Larry Murphy FM that broadcasts an updated location every thirty seconds? Have you any idea how much man power and revenue that would cost? Not to mention the elephant in the room thats jumping up and down saying, "knowing where one sex offender is will not keep you safe. We must all be vigilante for our own safety all of the time".

It wouldn't cost anything for the public to keep tabs on Larry Murphy.

Would you not want to know if Larry Murphy was living in your area ?

OldNotWIse · 18-03-2014 05:32PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

It wouldn't cost anything for the public to keep tabs on Larry Murphy.

Would you not want to know if Larry Murphy was living in your area ?

For the public to keep tabs on him? Ah now I have you. We are all supposed to stop what we are doing and jump on the bandwagon and spread hysteria for the sake of it. Did it ever occur to you that some of us have jobs and study and lives that we want to get on with? That we are happy with the judiciary doing their job, and we will do whatever we can to keep ourselves and our loved ones safe, as we would whether it is Larry Murphy or Mary Poppins living beside us? That bricking someone's window/following them around the supermarket/posting "white van" messages on our female friends fb profiles does not actually keep anyone safe??

I have a category of people in my head that fit your description. I call them "It's a disgrace Joe".

Holsten · 18-03-2014 05:32PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

Would you not want to know if Larry Murphy was living in your area ?

I know I wouldn't.

Ignorance is bliss in this situation.

You're more in danger of nearly anyone else than you are of Larry Murphy. You could possibly have a murderer, rapist, bugler living right next to you right now, Mr. Williams.

OldNotWIse · 18-03-2014 05:32PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

He looks like somebody who has just come back from a nice holiday.

I've come back from boozey holidays looking worse

on the river · 18-03-2014 05:34PM

end of the road wrote: »

and John Lonergan is a man who knows what he is talking about and is well respected because he has actually experienced the system, unlike you
the trama and pain of their assalt.
the death penalty isn't an answer to anything, hense why many countries don't have it

firstly you say my argument is wrong without giving any alternative suggestions.

secondly you endorse criminals to continue on their inspeakable ways by

saying it . 'isnt the answer'.

It seems you dont hold any views on this topic whatsoever.

Mr Williams · 18-03-2014 06:33PM

Heres another good candidate for the death penalty.

Why should the people of east wall have to live in fear of this animal ?

http://www.thestar.ie/star/sicko-sex-beat-back-on-the-streets-35667/

end of the road · 18-03-2014 06:51PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

Lonergan does not believe the public have a right to know where Larry Murphy is.

and i agree with him, i'm not having ferrel vidulanty vermin roming around like wild animals, its much easier and cost effective to keep the system we have of not informing the public

end of the road · 18-03-2014 06:54PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

It wouldn't cost anything for the public to keep tabs on Larry Murphy.

it ultimately would, the public are not qualified enough to do such a job, it must be left to the experts aka the guardai to do such a job.

Mr Williams wrote: »

Would you not want to know if Larry Murphy was living in your area ?

couldn't care to be honest, if a guarda told me in confidents that he was in my area i could actually be trusted with the information and trusted to keep it to myself unlike the tabloid types

end of the road · 18-03-2014 06:57PM

on the river wrote: »

firstly you say my argument is wrong without giving any alternative suggestions.

secondly you endorse criminals to continue on their inspeakable ways by

saying it . 'isnt the answer'.

It seems you dont hold any views on this topic whatsoever.

go back and read the thread, i've all ready given my views, i'm not repeating myself over and over again like you and mr williams, same thing over and over again, boaring

on the river · 18-03-2014 07:37PM

end of the road wrote: »

go back and read the thread, i've all ready given my views, i'm not repeating myself over and over again like you and mr williams, same thing over and over again, boaring

could not find anything only the response of negative posting of pointing out

what posters said wrong and giving no opinion at all yourself.

frankly this is boring . by repeating yourself you are just going round in circles with no clear logic.

mrsbyrne · 18-03-2014 07:46PM

The reality is none of us know who or what lives amongst us. If we've learned anything over the last 20 years it should be that.
I'm not saying we should be walking around in fear and trepidation just be sensible and be safe especially with kids
No death penalty.

Amirani · 18-03-2014 08:37PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

Heres another good candidate for the death penalty.

Why should the people of east wall have to live in fear of this animal ?

http://www.thestar.ie/star/sicko-sex-beat-back-on-the-streets-35667/

As has been pointed out previously, capital punishment for sex offences causes an increase in murdered rape victims.

You clearly care nothing about victims and only about your lust for blood.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 18-03-2014 08:45PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

He looks like somebody who has just come back from a nice holiday.

Do you know exactly what conditions he was held under? I mean actually "know" - not have read in some trashy tabloid or imagined because you think it migth help your point?

If so, please tell. If not, you are in no position to criticise either the prison service or its personnel (current or past).

J_E · 18-03-2014 09:13PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

Heres another good candidate for the death penalty.

Why should the people of east wall have to live in fear of this animal ?

http://www.thestar.ie/star/sicko-sex-beat-back-on-the-streets-35667/

Ah yeah, link a Star article, that's pretty legit citation there.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 18-03-2014 09:14PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

Heres another good candidate for the death penalty.

Why should the people of east wall have to live in fear of this animal ?

http://www.thestar.ie/star/sicko-sex-beat-back-on-the-streets-35667/

How about these guys? Should these "beasts" have been executed?

on the river wrote: »

could not find anything only the response of negative posting of pointing out

what posters said wrong and giving no opinion at all yourself.

frankly this is boring . by repeating yourself you are just going round in circles with no clear logic.

Here ya go, from a few months ago:

I oppose the death penalty on three counts, all of which I have stated numerous times in this thread:
1 - Fallability.
2 - Cost (both of appeals and leaving the EU).
3 - Pointlessness.

Mr Williams · 18-03-2014 10:02PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Do you know exactly what conditions he was held under? I mean actually "know" - not have read in some trashy tabloid or imagined because you think it migth help your point?

If so, please tell. If not, you are in no position to criticise either the prison service or its personnel (current or past).

Gilligan and his pals look like they were having the time of their lives inside Portlaoise prison.

Mr Williams · 18-03-2014 10:05PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

How about these guys? Should these "beasts" have been executed?

What did they do ?

Mr Williams · 18-03-2014 10:06PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

How about these guys? Should these "beasts" have been executed?

Here ya go, from a few months ago:

I oppose the death penalty on three counts, all of which I have stated numerous times in this thread:
1 - Fallability.
2 - Cost (both of appeals and leaving the EU).
3 - Pointlessness.

A rope or a bullet doesnt cost much.

Mr Williams · 18-03-2014 10:10PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Do you know exactly what conditions he was held under? I mean actually "know" - not have read in some trashy tabloid or imagined because you think it migth help your point?

If so, please tell. If not, you are in no position to criticise either the prison service or its personnel (current or past).

I'm not the only one who thinks Lonergan is a useless waster.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/how-can-the-governor-of-western-europes-worst-and-most-violent-prison-become-a-media-luvvie-26530883.html

Amirani · 18-03-2014 10:13PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

I'm not the only one who thinks Lonergan is a useless waster.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/how-can-the-governor-of-western-europes-worst-and-most-violent-prison-become-a-media-luvvie-26530883.html

And what does Kevin Myers know about the running of prisons?

Regardless, he's actually criticising the conditions in Mountjoy. Hardly backs up the holiday camp argument.

Mr Williams · 18-03-2014 10:16PM

NiallSparky wrote: »

And what does Kevin Myers know about the running of prisons?

Regardless, he's actually criticising the conditions in Mountjoy. Hardly backs up the holiday camp argument.

More than Lonergan I'd say mountjoy was and is a wash with drugs.

The jail Gilligan was in isnt far off a holiday camp.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 18-03-2014 10:18PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

What did they do ?

That's just it. They were convicted of killing 21 people in a pub bombing. Except, sixteen years later, guess what happened?

Mr Williams wrote: »

A rope or a bullet doesnt cost much.

See above.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 18-03-2014 10:22PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

Gilligan and his pals look like they were having the time of their lives inside Portlaoise prison.

You appear to have missed the bit in bold....

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Do you know exactly what conditions he was held under? I mean actually "know" - not have read in some trashy tabloid or imagined because you think it migth help your point?

If so, please tell. If not, you are in no position to criticise either the prison service or its personnel (current or past).

Mr Williams · 18-03-2014 10:23PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

That's just it. They were convicted of killing 21 people in a pub bombing. Except, sixteen years later, guess what happened?

See above.

Well I'm talking about putting down sex beasts whats the odds of someone been wrongfully convicted of rape on multiple occasions ?

Mr Williams · 18-03-2014 10:25PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

You appear to have missed the bit in bold....

Thats actual video footage from inside the prison I think it speaks for its self.

Amirani · 18-03-2014 10:25PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

Well I'm talking about putting down sex beasts whats the odds of someone been wrongfully convicted of rape on multiple occasions ?

Basing capital punishment trials on "odds" isn't exactly comforting. Ever hear of Sally Clark?

http://understandinguncertainty.org/node/545

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 18-03-2014 10:32PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

Well I'm talking about putting down sex beasts whats the odds of someone been wrongfully convicted of rape on multiple occasions ?

Pretty sure you've said murderers also. But if not the question begs to be asked, why not? Why the prediliction for sex attacks? or get back to the issue at hand - how do you deal with miscarraiges of justice?

Mr Williams wrote: »

Thats actual video footage from inside the prison I think it speaks for its self.

Red box in the top says different. Could easily be a staged with a lookalike. In any case, still doesnt hold up your point unless you can prive he was doign the same forthe rest of his 16 years or whatever it was.

Billy86 · 18-03-2014 10:40PM

on the river wrote: »

Crime gangs would leave the country in fear of their lives.

Nope.

Mr Williams · 18-03-2014 10:42PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Pretty sure you've said murderers also. But if not the question begs to be asked, why not? Why the prediliction for sex attacks? or get back to the issue at hand - how do you deal with miscarraiges of justice?

You can reform a murderer you cant reform a sex beast. The miscarraige of justice is a straw man argument. Do you think Larry Murphy is innocent ?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Red box in the top says different. Could easily be a staged with a lookalike. In any case, still doesnt hold up your point unless you can prive he was doign the same forthe rest of his 16 years or whatever it was.

Are you saying the video is fake ?

Billy86 · 18-03-2014 10:54PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

The miscarraige of justice is a straw man argument.

Nope.

Nope nope nope.

Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

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