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Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

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  • #1502
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    on the river wrote: »
    being on a holiday camp for 20 years is not

    justise just expense for the taxpayer and a nice break for the crimnial.

    Have you ever been to prison? No? Then it would appear you don't have a clue what your talking about in relation to prison conditions.


  • #1503
    on the river
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭on the river


    NiallSparky wrote: »
    Have you ever been to prison? No? Then it would appear you don't have a clue what your talking about in relation to prison conditions.

    Did you?. if so Please enlighten me about prison life.


  • #1504
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    on the river wrote: »
    Did you?. if so Please enlighten me about prison life.

    I've never been to prison no, but I'm not the one claiming I know exactly what the conditions are like in there.

    You on the other hand seem to know all about them. Well, either that or you're content on posting sensationalist rubbish that adds nothing to the discussion.


  • #1505
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    In theory yes


  • #1506
    on the river
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭on the river


    NiallSparky wrote: »
    I've never been to prison no, but I'm not the one claiming I know exactly what the conditions are like in there.

    You on the other hand seem to know all about them. Well, either that or you're content on posting sensationalist rubbish that adds nothing to the discussion.

    John Lonergan was former governor of Mountjoy. It was him who raised the

    issues of prison conditions and overcrowding.

    The most 'sensational' thing is many high profile offenders are able to walk

    free after 10 years in prison. while the victims try to cope with their attacker been released.

    Crime is a serious matter and should not be called 'senationalist rubbish'

    the death penalty is the only answer for victims who suffered

    the trama and pain of their assalt. Many families suffer everyday

    knowing that criminals walk free while their family member is either dead

    or at breaking point .

    Many victims cannot speak of their pain and hurt and left wondering about

    how unfair the justise system really is .


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  • #1507
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    on the river wrote: »
    John Lonergan was former governor of Mountjoy. It was him who raised the

    issues of prison conditions and overcrowding.

    The most 'sensational' thing is many high profile offenders are able to walk

    free after 10 years in prison. while the victims try to cope with their attacker been released.

    Crime is a serious matter and should not be called 'senationalist rubbish'

    the death penalty is the only answer for victims who suffered

    the trama and pain of their assalt. Many families suffer everyday

    knowing that criminals walk free while their family member is either dead

    or at breaking point .

    Many victims cannot speak of their pain and hurt and left wondering about

    how unfair the justise system .

    What does any of that have to do with prison conditions?


  • #1508
    on the river
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭on the river


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Another one who can't be bothered to read the argument in the article posted -


    the victims are the only ones that suffer. i think their attacker should suffer too in the form of the death penalty.

    the problem is the state 'could not be bothered' to serve a proper sentence on these criminals which leads to reoffending.


  • #1509
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    on the river wrote: »
    the victims are the only ones that suffer. i think their attacker should suffer too in the form of the death penalty.

    the problem is the state 'could not be bothered' to serve a proper sentence on these criminals which leads to reoffending.

    Apart from the mass speculation and unresearched opinion, what does any of this have to do with the news story you linked to, your post, or the reply of mine which you quoted? Seriously, I could tear your entire theory apart in two words, but because it's so bady presented, I'm not entirely sure I'd be accurate.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #1510
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,006 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    on the river wrote: »
    The tax payer would save millions on reintroducing the death penalty.
    wrong, evidence shows it costs way more.
    on the river wrote: »
    Overcrowding solved in a shot
    wrong
    on the river wrote: »
    Crime rates decrease dramatically
    wrong, the evidence shows that the death penalty has no effect on crime rates
    on the river wrote: »
    Crime gangs would leave the country in fear of their lives.
    considering the risk of members of these gangs being shot anywhere at anytime is very high yet many stick around, that shows that that statement is complete nonsense

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #1511
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,006 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    on the river wrote: »
    John Lonergan was former governor of Mountjoy. It was him who raised the issues of prison conditions and overcrowding.
    and John Lonergan is a man who knows what he is talking about and is well respected because he has actually experienced the system, unlike you
    on the river wrote: »
    the death penalty is the only answer for victims who suffered
    the trama and pain of their assalt.
    the death penalty isn't an answer to anything, hense why many countries don't have it

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • #1512
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    on the river wrote: »
    the victims are the only ones that suffer. i think their attacker should suffer too in the form of the death penalty.

    the problem is the state 'could not be bothered' to serve a proper sentence on these criminals which leads to reoffending.
    Do you think long-term imprisonment is a holiday or something? You'd swear criminals want to hop into jail with the way you talk about it.


  • #1513
    Mr Williams
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 188 ✭✭Mr Williams


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    Do you think long-term imprisonment is a holiday or something? You'd swear criminals want to hop into jail with the way you talk about it.


    When John Gilligan left prision after spending 17 years there he looked like someone who had just spent a few weeks in the sun.


  • #1514
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Mr Williams wrote: »
    When John Gilligan left prision after spending 17 years there he looked like someone who had just spent a few weeks in the sun.

    Have you seen his picture in the Independent...


  • #1515
    Mr Williams
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 188 ✭✭Mr Williams


    end of the road wrote: »
    and John Lonergan is a man who knows what he is talking about and is well respected because he has actually experienced the system,


    John Lonergan is a lunatic. I remenmber when Larry Murphy was released from prison Lonergan was on the radio and said Larry Murphy should be "left alone" yes you heard it right Larry Murphy should be "left alone". Lonergan is completely mad its no wonder the prison system is the way it is with the likes of him running it.


  • #1516
    Mr Williams
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 188 ✭✭Mr Williams


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    Have you seen his picture in the Independent...

    Yes he has suffered more in the past few weeks than the 17 years he spent in prison.


  • #1517
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Mr Williams wrote: »
    Yes he has suffered more in the past few weeks than the 17 years he spent in prison.

    Did he tell you that when you visited his house with a pitchfork? :o


  • #1518
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Mr Williams wrote: »
    John Lonergan is a lunatic. I remenmber when Larry Murphy was released from prison Lonergan was on the radio and said Larry Murphy should be "left alone" yes you heard it right Larry Murphy should be "left alone". Lonergan is completely mad its no wonder the prison system is the way it is with the likes of him running it.


    What do you suggest in the alternative?


  • #1519
    Mr Williams
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 188 ✭✭Mr Williams


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    What do you suggest in the alternative?


    At the very least the public need to be aware of his movements.

    But if we listen to John Lonergan he should be free to run wild in the community:rolleyes:


  • #1520
    JuliusCaesar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,886 ✭✭✭JuliusCaesar


    No, I would absolutely NOT support any reintroduction of the death penalty.


  • #1521
    JuliusCaesar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,886 ✭✭✭JuliusCaesar


    Mr Williams wrote: »
    But if we listen to John Lonergan he should be free to run wild in the community:rolleyes:

    "Run wild"??? Where, exactly, did John Lonergan say that? Please do give the source. There's a big difference between 'left alone' and 'free to run wild'. I can believe that Lonergan spoke against vigilantee-ism; but sure Larry Murphy was under observation by the Gardaí.


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  • #1522
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,006 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Mr Williams wrote: »
    When John Gilligan left prision after spending 17 years there he looked like someone who had just spent a few weeks in the sun.
    no he didn't

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #1523
    Mr Williams
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 188 ✭✭Mr Williams


    JuliusCaesar wrote: »
    "Run wild"??? Where, exactly, did John Lonergan say that? Please do give the source. There's a big difference between 'left alone' and 'free to run wild'. I can believe that Lonergan spoke against vigilantee-ism; but sure Larry Murphy was under observation by the Gardaí.


    He said Larry Murphy should be "left alone" which means letting him roam free in the community.


  • #1524
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,006 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Mr Williams wrote: »
    John Lonergan is a lunatic.
    no he's not, he's well respected and knows what he's talking about unlike tabloid types
    Mr Williams wrote: »
    I remenmber when Larry Murphy was released from prison Lonergan was on the radio and said Larry Murphy should be "left alone" yes you heard it right Larry Murphy should be "left alone".
    and he was right, he should be left alone apart from the guardai monitoring him
    Mr Williams wrote: »
    Lonergan is completely mad
    no he's not.
    Mr Williams wrote: »
    its no wonder the prison system is the way it is with the likes of him running it.
    oh? well at least he has ran a prison, you haven't and never will, so i'd take whatever he says over you any day, now go away, your tabloid style nonsense is boaring everyone

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #1525
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Mr Williams wrote: »
    At the very least the public need to be aware of his movements.

    But if we listen to John Lonergan he should be free to run wild in the community:rolleyes:


    Run wild in the community? Sensationalise much?? Is it ok if he walks calmly and at a moderate pace?

    Like it or not, he has done his time and there is no legal provision for following his every move. I guess the supervisory mechanism you have in mind is the tabloid type - pictures of him wearing a hoody ducking into or out of a train station, and hysterical facebook warnings about "recent sightings". Sorry but that doesn't help anyone, it just fuels the mob mentality.

    He is on the sex offenders reg. He's hardly likely to be given a job where he will be a danger to others. He will also probably be required to sign on in garda stations at frequent intervals.

    What do you want? Larry Murphy FM that broadcasts an updated location every thirty seconds? Have you any idea how much man power and revenue that would cost? Not to mention the elephant in the room thats jumping up and down saying, "knowing where one sex offender is will not keep you safe. We must all be vigilante for our own safety all of the time".


  • #1526
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    JuliusCaesar wrote: »
    "Run wild"??? Where, exactly, did John Lonergan say that? Please do give the source. There's a big difference between 'left alone' and 'free to run wild'. I can believe that Lonergan spoke against vigilantee-ism; but sure Larry Murphy was under observation by the Gardaí.


    I think there was a book called that. Something about foxes...? Run Wild, Run Free?


  • #1527
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,006 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Mr Williams wrote: »
    He said Larry Murphy should be "left alone" which means letting him roam free in the community.
    no it doesn't, wrong again

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #1528
    Mr Williams
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 188 ✭✭Mr Williams


    end of the road wrote: »
    no he didn't

    Really ?
    image.jpg


  • #1529
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Mr Williams wrote: »
    Really ?
    image.jpg

    I'm not really sure what exactly you are trying to prove with this picture. "He looks too good...send him back in for another stint"??


  • #1530
    Mr Williams
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 188 ✭✭Mr Williams


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    I'm not really sure what exactly you are trying to prove with this picture. "He looks too good...send him back in for another stint"??


    He looks like somebody who has just come back from a nice holiday.


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  • #1531
    Mr Williams
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 188 ✭✭Mr Williams


    end of the road wrote: »
    no it doesn't, wrong again


    Lonergan does not believe the public have a right to know where Larry Murphy is.


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