The D4 Media/ Posh Boys and Irish Rugby – Spoon feeding the masses

Hello_MrFox · 16-03-2014 05:23PM

Fat people who wear rugby jerseys in an attempt to hide the fact that they are overweight - 'I'm not fat, i'm built because i play rugby', lol.

Fratton Fred · 16-03-2014 06:12PM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Two. And England is near enough at 57.

Is Italy over 60 million?

Anyway, I'm not sure population figures does much, other than to highlight how good the Welsh record is.

Wacker The Attacker · 16-03-2014 06:15PM

smcgiff wrote: »

Just because people don't play it doesn't mean they can't appreciate it.

How many professional female soccer/top GAA players do you know? So, that's 50% of the population disenfranchised.

Rugby gets the attention it deserves. A tough, manly game with no players rolling on the ground like sissys if they get their ankle tapped.

most sports people don't roll on the ground. It isn't unique to rugby.

Being "Manly" isn't a prerequisite for getting attention

ThunbergsAreGo · 16-03-2014 06:33PM

COYW wrote: »

I am not much of a rugby fan but Ireland winning in Paris yesterday was a far better performance that Liverpool's, as Liverpool were hot favourites to win today. United had little to no chance of winning today, as the result proved. France had a great chance of winning yesterday.

I think you will find that

Ireland were 5/6, France were 5/4

Man United were 10/11 and Liverpool were as high as 2/1 in places

So Ireland the favourites won by 2 points, Liverpool the outsiders won by 3 goals

Enjoyed yesterday and i amnt a big Rugby fan

Pug160 · 16-03-2014 07:17PM

Like I said before, it's a better game than football (soccer) for the simple fact that any able bodied person can play it. With school football, certain people have a natural ability and the others get left behind or picked last etc, which makes them disillusioned with sport in general sometimes. It's a great game because everyone has a role to play. Introduce it to more kids.

RoyalCelt · 16-03-2014 07:33PM

Bambi wrote: »

Ryle Nugent is head of sport at ORTE is why.

Apparently you have to show all the games on your channel if you buy the rights and not just Ireland's but that's convenient for RTE alright and I hate it when it means Irish teams lose out to a dead rubber 6N match not involving ireland.

Lou.m · 16-03-2014 07:41PM

mariano rivera wrote: »

(OK Mods, this a societal question more than a rugby question)

Why do the Irish Rugby team get so much publicity and the publicity they get is nearly always hugely positive?

The fact of the matter is hardly anybody plays the game, especially adults. A few pockets in Cork, Limerick, South Dublin and Protestant areas in the north. Most counties would have the ODD junior team. Compare that to the huge number of GAA teams and junior soccer teams

Most goys I know who will we watching the England game have NEVER played the game. As I would guess most people who attend the Ireland games would be the same.

Ryan Tubridy drools at the mouth whenever he interviews the goys
Brendan O’Connor telling is again what a great performance by the Irish rugby team
Hugely positive reports about our brave Irish team in print, radio & TV (Conor O’Shea I am looking at you)

Yet, the facts are:

Ireland are ranked 6th in the world. Recently up from 7th. There are really only 10 decent rugby teams in the world as such. (Any rugger bugger would tell you that)

Irelands so called Golden generation have won ONE 6 nations Championship in 30 years!

Golden Generation?

Yet Jonny, Jamie and all the goys are world class, outstanding, brave, phenomenal, fantastic performance etc.

Really?

The coverage after the LOST to New Zealand was cringe worthy . A game they LOST

Personally, I think the D4 Posh boys give the sport and team way too much positive publicity when frankly they don’t deserve it

It’s just because they are part of the same snobby/ Old School tie Club. They are all mates, you see

And we as a nation (most of whom have never picked up a rugby ball) are sucking it all up

It is a shame you are saying this about a sport.

You should be saying it about our political class. You could say that exactly about our political class.

Who cares if they 'spoon feed' the masses over sport or the arts?

I worry they give real issues such an easy time.

They turn a blind eye to way too much it's unreal.

I don't mind a soft media on sports heroes so long as it is tough on real issues.

By the way I do agree with you that the D4 media is overly soft on arts personalities and sports personalities here. But they are so unimportant who cares.

GO BOD!?

BOD supporters go wild, feel free, it's grand, it's a sport, it can't hurt you.

RoyalCelt · 16-03-2014 07:44PM

Lou.m wrote: »

It is a shame you are saying this about a sport.

You should be saying it about our political class. You could say that exactly about our political class.

Who cares if they 'spoon feed' the masses over sport or the arts?

I worry they give real issues such an easy time.

They turn a blind eye to way too much it's unreal.

I don't mind a soft media on sports heroes so long as it is tough on real issues.

By the way I do agree with you that the D4 media is overly soft on arts personalities and sports personalities here. But they are so unimportant who cares.

GO BOD!?

BOD supporters go wild, feel free, it's grand, it's a sport, it can't hurt you.

Not disagreeing with you or agreeing with the opening poster but RTE and their special threatment of Rugby over more played sports reminds me of our political class.

Lou.m · 16-03-2014 07:48PM

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Not disagreeing with you or agreeing with the opening poster but RTE and their special threatment of Rugby over more played sports reminds me of our political class.

Yup!

That is EXACTLY what I think too!

Lou.m · 16-03-2014 07:50PM

Lou.m wrote: »

Yup!

That is EXACTLY what I think too!

It is just I don't really care when they do it about sport.

I expect different standards though for politics. But then maybe you need a hard media in general to have one at all.

mfceiling · 16-03-2014 07:50PM

Napper Hawkins wrote: »

Interesting, struck a nerve did it? Because I disagree with you, that post describes an awful lot of people I know to a tee. It's actually so bang on it's depressing.

Struck a nerve? Hardly...it was the stupidest pile of shite that has ever been posted on boards.

If you had any brains and opened your eyes you would see that too. Where in the name of jesus did you come up with the idea that rugby in Ireland is followed by the kind of people you described?

Struck no nerve with me....i never went to university or have parents like you described. Have no interest in micheal mcintyre or dara o'briain - try stewart lee and ricky gervais and you're nearly there. Hardly describe the hangover as hilarious neither.

What you described was a poorly written, poorly imagined, steaming pile of shite.

Rubgy is followed by farmers in county down, labourers in limerick, barristers in belfast and dublin, builders in laois not to mention every type of person you could think of throughout Ireland.

Lou.m · 16-03-2014 07:55PM

By the way OP.

DO you think RTE gives the Irish soccer team way to easy a time?

In fairness the Rugby team does waaay better than them.

Artful_Badger · 16-03-2014 08:10PM

Someone in the rugby forum just mentioned a piece from BBC that had their audience for France v Ireland at 6 million.

Perhaps RTE are favouring rugby because people want to watch it ?

eyescreamcone · 16-03-2014 08:14PM

Lou.m wrote: »

By the way OP.

DO you think RTE gives the Irish soccer team way to easy a time?

In fairness the Rugby team does waaay better than them.

It's that type of crap that does my head in. Remember there is only 6 teams in this competition. Scotland and Italy are brutal.
Ireland beat Wales and France but lost to England. And won on points difference. In some competitions the wonder could have been decided by the head to head result between Ireland and England. So runaway champions we are not.
Joint top in a 4 horse race would describe the result well.

The competition that the RoI football team faces bears no comparison. Every country in Europe has a decent team and over 40 teams could beat you.

You certainly don't have a situation like where NZ have only ever lost to 5 countries ever. (indicating very little real competition).

We punch well above our weight in football results. Does the rugby?
The rugby team has never made the last four in a world cup - in spite of there being only 8 or 9 real teams worldwide!!!
So in spite of practically getting a bye into the Qfs they haver never ever progressed.

Also, more people play football every weekend than any other sport, so maybe we should give that sport more exposure. Show underage and women's football internationals perhaps.

Agricola · 16-03-2014 08:18PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Is Italy over 60 million?

Anyway, I'm not sure population figures does much, other than to highlight how good the Welsh record is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_population

Ok, England is just under 60 but point remains. We are minnows with a tiny pool to draw from. Even more impressive is that Rugby isnt the national sport. Lots of potential players are lost to GAA and soccer or have absolutely no exposure to rugby from a young age. The Welsh like the New Zealander's with an equally small population live and breath the game.

eyescreamcone · 16-03-2014 08:23PM

Is rugby elitist??

What percentage of yesterday's squad went to fee paying school??

What percentage of boys in Ireland (RoI and North) go to fee paying schools??

If there is a significant difference between the two answers then rugby is elitist.
(I do not know the answer)

The_Kew_Tour · 16-03-2014 08:26PM

Fair play to the players, journalists and management of the other 5 countries in being so gracious to Ireland.

Especially Wales. That letter to O Driscoll. Along with plenty of the Welsh lads congratulating Ireland on the win on twitter facebook etc. Same cant be said about us in previous years.

Its puts some Irish Rugby fans to shame for past few years when we could not do the same. We belittled and smeared at Englands Championship in 2011 cause we beat them, but they did not do same. Same with Wales. The amount of names that the likes of Phillips and Gatland have been called is rather embarrassing where they have achieved what Ireland has and more.

Hopefully we learn to be gracious in defeat when it happens again.

Nice to see the team get good reception today. Well deserved.

Mr.David · 16-03-2014 09:06PM

Hello_MrFox wrote: »

Fat people who wear rugby jerseys in an attempt to hide the fact that they are overweight - 'I'm not fat, i'm built because i play rugby', lol.

:rolleyes:

Artful_Badger · 16-03-2014 09:09PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Fair play to the players, journalists and management of the other 5 countries in being so gracious to Ireland.

Especially Wales. That letter to O Driscoll. Along with plenty of the Welsh lads congratulating Ireland on the win on twitter facebook etc. Same cant be said about us in previous years.

Its puts some Irish Rugby fans to shame for past few years when we could not do the same. We belittled and smeared at Englands Championship in 2011 cause we beat them, but they did not do same. Same with Wales. The amount of names that the likes of Phillips and Gatland have been called is rather embarrassing where they have achieved what Ireland has and more.

Hopefully we learn to be gracious in defeat when it happens again.

Nice to see the team get good reception today. Well deserved.

So your saying aint all the other nations great because the management, players, media all congratulated Ireland and O'Driscoll.

While some fans of Ireland didnt do it in the past ? That makes absolutely no sense. Every year the players, management and media of all the nations all show respect to the other nations and are gracious in defeat. That's just part and parcel of professional sport.

And every year most fans tip their cap to whoever wins and acknowledge the achievement of others. There are some though who just relish every opportunity to stir shít and be dicks. Check Scrum V the welsh fan board see how much respect some fans there show Ireland or England, read Stephen Jones articles see how much respect he shows Ireland or the Irish players. There are idiots on every side, Irish fans are no better or worse than any of the rest.

Les Ferdinand · 16-03-2014 09:10PM

Whether people like to admit it or not rugby is not for the everyday working class man in Leinster or Northern Ireland. I was gutted to see the nations private school darlings win yesterday. Let's look at the starting team yesterday. The amount who went to private school proves it's an elitist game. 12 of the 15 went to private schools.. Says it all

15. Rob Kearney - Private School
14. Andrew Trimble
13. Brian O’Driscoll - Private School
12. Gordon D’Arcy - Private School
11. Dave Kearney - Private School
10. Jonathan Sexton - Private School
9. Conor Murray
1. Cian Healy - Private School
2. Rory Best - Private School
3. Mike Ross - Private School
4. Devin Toner - Private School
5. Paul O’Connell
6. Peter O’Mahony - Private School
7. Chris Henry - Private a School
8. Jamie Heaslip - Private School

Frank Lee Midere · 16-03-2014 09:12PM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

It's that type of crap that does my head in. Remember there is only 6 teams in this competition. Scotland and Italy are brutal.
Ireland beat Wales and France but lost to England. And won on points difference. In some competitions the wonder could have been decided by the head to head result between Ireland and England. So runaway champions we are not.
Joint top in a 4 horse race would describe the result well.

The competition that the RoI football team faces bears no comparison. Every country in Europe has a decent team and over 40 teams could beat you.

You certainly don't have a situation like where NZ have only ever lost to 5 countries ever. (indicating very little real competition).

We punch well above our weight in football results. Does the rugby?
The rugby team has never made the last four in a world cup - in spite of there being only 8 or 9 real teams worldwide!!!
So in spite of practically getting a bye into the Qfs they haver never ever progressed.

Also, more people play football every weekend than any other sport, so maybe we should give that sport more exposure. Show underage and women's football internationals perhaps.

What's playing got to do with TV? Lots of Irish people pay rounders growing up but it's not a spectator sport. Americans play soccer in school but never watch it.

It's clear, in terms of spectators that rugby attracts more than the LOI, many Irish friendlies, and all GAA except the very later bits of the Championship.

Artful_Badger · 16-03-2014 09:14PM

Les Ferdinand wrote: »

I was gutted to see the nations private school darlings win yesterday.

I personally am utterly delighted you were gutted and I hope much more pain and distress is caused to you with the success of our "nations private school darlings".

One day I hope you're so filled with misplaced rage, contempt and disgust your ignorant little head just explodes.

The_Kew_Tour · 16-03-2014 09:15PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

So your saying aint all the other nations great because the management, players, media all congratulated Ireland and O'Driscoll.

While some fans of Ireland didnt do it in the past ? That makes absolutely no sense. Every year the players, management and media of all the nations all show respect to the other nations and are gracious in defeat. That's just part and parcel of professional sport.

And every year most fans tip their cap to whoever wins and acknowledge the achievement of others. There are some though who just relish every opportunity to stir shít and be dicks. Check Scrum V the welsh fan board see how much respect some fans there show Ireland or England, read Stephen Jones articles see how much respect he shows Ireland or the Irish players. There are idiots on every side, Irish fans are no better or worse than any of the rest.

What you mean it makes no sense? Of course it does.. No idea what your rambling about.

Can you honestly tell me Irish people said well done to England in 2011? We did in our backside.

The amount of garbage I have heard about Wales I could write a book on.

Yet when we win it we must expect praise and even have go at English paper even after we win.

It makes us look really childish and bad losers and even poor winners.

Les Ferdinand · 16-03-2014 09:19PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

I personally am utterly delighted you were gutted and I hope much more pain and distress is caused to you with the success of our "nations private school darlings".

One day I hope you're so filled with misplaced rage, contempt and disgust your ignorant little head just explodes.

Touch a nerve did I?

Let's look at the overall 6 Nations. Ireland beat

Scotland - Shockingly poor team
Wales - Have been disorganised since the British Lions tour
Italy - Shockingly poor team & their stats prove that.
England - lost to them
France - we beat a team that has been disastrous all year

Les Ferdinand · 16-03-2014 09:20PM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

What's playing got to do with TV? Lots of Irish people pay rounders growing up but it's not a spectator sport. Americans play soccer in school but never watch it.

It's clear, in terms of spectators that rugby attracts more than the LOI, many Irish friendlies, and all GAA except the very later bits of the Championship.

All GAA I think you'll find your wrong there. Only Ireland vs England attracts a huge audience for RTE

Frank Lee Midere · 16-03-2014 09:21PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

What you mean it makes no sense? Of course it does.. No idea what your rambling about.

Can you honestly tell me Irish people said well done to England in 2011? We did in our backside.

The amount of garbage I have heard about Wales I could write a book on.

Yet when we win it we must expect praise and even have go at English paper even after we win.

It makes us look really childish and bad losers and even poor winners.

I'd bet if you were to search the rugby forum here for 2011 most people would be congratulating England.

And no trolling comments in the Irish press about how England were "gifted" the title.

Eponymous · 16-03-2014 09:22PM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Also, more people play football every weekend than any other sport, so maybe we should give that sport more exposure. Show underage and women's football internationals perhaps.

Mmmm. Perhaps they show youth/women's sports based on interest. Using the soccer and rugby threads as an unscientific barometer of interest, you need to go back to 6th Feb for the most recent mention of youth/women's soccer (even then only because a soccer star gave an opinion on it), but only have to go back to this afternoon for schoolboy rugby and yesterday for women's rugby. I accept that it might be slightly more topical given SCT finals over the weekend and the last round of the 6N, but they are both topics that are almost always on the front page of the Rugby forum.

Another part of the media interest might be down to rights. If you want to see Irish soccer international stars, you have to have sky/BT/Setanta subscriptions or make do with MOTD or the RTE equivalent. You can see Irish international rugby stars almost every weekend in Irish stadia and for free on RTE and TG4, so it's natural that a broadcaster will want to promote what they may see as a premium product.

In any case, I don't understand why you have to be typecast as a soccer/rugby fan. I'm working class Dub, in a trade union and didn't go to a fee paying school. I wouldn't judge anyone by the sport they enjoy playing/supporting and dismayed that anyone would. A few folks here need a rethink the basis upon which they judge others on both sides of this "debate".

As for belittling the achievements of the Irish rugby team in this 6N, it's pretty sad. They've done us proud. If you don't think it's a big deal, take a look at the pics of the England team taken at the moment they realised they weren't going to win the tournament!

http://t.co/jU3kdQGGsA

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Frank Lee Midere · 16-03-2014 09:22PM

Les Ferdinand wrote: »

All GAA a I think you'll find your wrong there

That's a spectacular example of selective quoting. Read the rest of the sentence.

Artful_Badger · 16-03-2014 09:23PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

What you mean it makes no sense? Of course it does.. No idea what your rambling about.

Can you honestly tell me Irish people said well done to England in 2011? We did in our backside.

The amount of garbage I have heard about Wales I could write a book on.

Yet when we win it we must expect praise and even have go at English paper even after we win.

It makes us look really childish and bad losers and even poor winners.

I'm rambling on about the fact you're holding the reaction of the players and management of other teams as exemplary and comparing that to the reaction of some fans. Thats what makes no sense. Its like saying "Stuart Lancaster said well done Ireland, but Jimbob up the road never said that to England when they won".

Who's we anyway ? Not everyone were dismissive of England in 2011 and you'll find plenty of evidence of that right here on this website. The Irish players or management certainly were not dismissive either who like all others year in and year out are gracious in defeat. So the messages of support for BOD and congrats on the championship from other nations in the last couple days does not set them apart from anyone else.

The issue you have with some Irish fans is an issue you'll find with sections of fans from every other nation. Its not unique to Ireland.

Artful_Badger · 16-03-2014 09:27PM

Les Ferdinand wrote: »

Touch a nerve did I?

Let's look at the overall 6 Nations. Ireland beat

Scotland - Shockingly poor team
Wales - Have been disorganised since the British Lions tour
Italy - Shockingly poor team & their stats prove that.
England - lost to them
France - we beat a team that has been disastrous all year

No nerves touched at all. I've seen your "work" in the ruby forum.

The D4 Media/ Posh Boys and Irish Rugby – Spoon feeding the masses

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