Things I don't get about Irish weddings MOD WARNING POST #322

username123 · 14-03-2014 10:23AM

ronjo wrote: »

Thats what I was getting at with my question. I dont personally understand how it can be a deal breaker. (just my opinion)

Well if you think its all nonsense (like me), it seems hypocritical to stand there and partake in the ceremony promising things to a god that you dont believe exists.

Would you think it silly if two people stood making serious vows about their love for each other in the eyes of the Great Spagetti Monster, or Santa Claus? I just wouldnt be able to take it seriously if my partner was doing that with no actual faith.

I admire the poster above who is able to go along with her husbands faith while she is agnostic - I couldnt.

Banjoxed · 14-03-2014 10:24AM

Ties askew. The whole day.

Hands in pockets. The whole day.

Fascinators. They are not.

A ten million year wait in the church while they sign the register. Have they only gone looking for it when the celebrant went in off the altar?

B&G's kids as child bride and page boy.

In fact, any child bride and page boy. It's naff. Stop it now.

A ten million year wait between getting out of the Church and, after travelling half way across the country to the reception, for food. I always go to McDonalds or Supermacs in between.

Beef or Salmon.

Red or White Paint Stripper, Sir?

Clapping the food in. In the name of God, why?

Ballyragging by the groomsman or best man, with his tie askew and hands in his pockets, pointing out the obvious about exactly how ignorant the groom or the best man is. We know.

Naff twinkly music as a sound track to a "romantic" montage is so inoffensive it is utterly offensive. Celine Dion's "Falling into you" when you know the whole thing started with fingers and a shift at the back of a seedy niteclub years ago.

Country and Irish.

Said Country and Irish band doing "Say you love me" by Wee Daniel and calling it Rock 'n' Roll.

The immense hangover you got for nothing when the only loose women at the wedding were so bovine that the cows went calling for them.

€200 plus drinks out of pocket.

Screw that.

Sligo1 · 14-03-2014 10:25AM

username123 wrote: »

I think the "idea" of a pre marriage course is a good one. But having a celibate man giving marital relations advice is just silly.

I don't think that's the case anymore. Well it Wasnt with ours anyway. We had a man and a woman give our course. Each whom had been married to their respective partners for around 20 years and they had children.

I don't think it's the priests or nuns who teach these courses anymore... I could be wrong?

amdublin · 14-03-2014 10:25AM

hoodwinked wrote: »

wow,

well i am one of those "not religious" people, in fact i would probably be classed as agnostic,

my husband is religious, his mother is fiercely so, his uncle is a priest,

i agreed to have a catholic mass wedding, (the full deal) as to me it was the vows and the civil parts that mattered where as to him the religious side was important, so we compromised, i would never dismiss any part of him especially his religion as he finds comfort there in times when he needs to, (i also wouldn't have married him if i did dismiss a part of him or showed such blatant disrespect for his views)

his uncle was our priest and we re-worded the ceremony so i wasn't saying anything hypocritical, and worded the vows so that i could mean and keep every word i said, (it was actually quite easy to do with the options the church gives to you)

we got the best of both worlds.

when it came to christening our child, we did the same thing, it was an easy choice to me as it was sprinkling her head with water, and a day out, where to him it meant so much more and to her, well she might be like her dad and find great comfort there, or like me and not believe a word of it, either way she makes her own choices now.

Aww that sounds like you managed to get a nice compromise (and put a lot of groundwork to achieve that).

I don't get it when it is patently obvious neither the b&g ever go to mass (the kneeling & the standing as an example), when they vow to bring the children up as Catholics and when you see this translate (years later) into eventually starting to go to mass the year of the Childs communion and then give it up after it until confirmation year.

If it was my wedding and i demonstrated to all present (including the priest) that actually for all my saying a church wedding was important to me, but really it was not (well not enough to get put of bed every Sunday morning) I'd be embarrassed and let's not kid myself in my heart of hearts I'd know I was being disrespectful.

hoodwinked · 14-03-2014 10:27AM

lazygal wrote: »

What is the compromise, exactly? You had a full church wedding and christened the child. How is that a compromise?

because it made no difference to my views, i am not religious but still got to marry the man i loved still got the day out in the beautiful venue and dress and i didn't have to compromise my views or vows or make false promises to "god", and my husband who is religious also got his way got to get married in church before the eyes of his god,

christening the child makes no difference to me, did i believe she'd go to limbo if we didn't no, does he take her to mass yes, and i go too it really doesn't hurt me to give up one hour every fortnight to sit in a church and support my husband and child in what they believe in, i don't believe in it that doesn't mean she won't, but if she finds some small happiness or comfort in her religion then i am happy my child will have that option.

ronjo · 14-03-2014 10:29AM

username123 wrote: »

Well if you think its all nonsense (like me), it seems hypocritical to stand there and partake in the ceremony promising things to a god that you dont believe exists.

Would you think it silly if two people stood making serious vows about their love for each other in the eyes of the Great Spagetti Monster, or Santa Claus? I just wouldnt be able to take it seriously if my partner was doing that with no actual faith.

I admire the poster above who is able to go along with her husbands faith while she is agnostic - I couldnt.

As I said in my original post I am talking about if its important for one partner. Not when partner has no faith.

amdublin · 14-03-2014 10:29AM

Sligo1 wrote: »

I don't think that's the case anymore. Well it Wasnt with ours anyway. We had a man and a woman give our course. Each whom had been married to their respective partners for around 20 years and they had children.

I don't think it's the priests or nuns who teach these courses anymore... I could be wrong?

I think these courses are a great idea. I'm all for "counsel" and advice. And I think it's a great idea to take some time out as a couple and explore your relationship.

But anyone I know who went on one (as part of their church wedding) gave out about having to give up their weekend. Well just don't do it if you don't want to do it. Another part of Irish weddings I just don't get.

kkcatlou · 14-03-2014 10:29AM

Banjoxed wrote: »

Ties askew. The whole day.

Hands in pockets. The whole day.

Fascinators. They are not.

A ten million year wait in the church while they sign the register. Have they only gone looking for it when the celebrant went in off the altar?

B&G's kids as child bride and page boy.

In fact, any child bride and page boy. It's naff. Stop it now.

A ten million year wait between getting out of the Church and, after travelling half way across the country to the reception, for food. I always go to McDonalds or Supermacs in between.

Beef or Salmon.

Red or White Paint Stripper, Sir?

Clapping the food in. In the name of God, why?

Ballyragging by the groomsman or best man, with his tie askew and hands in his pockets, pointing out the obvious about exactly how ignorant the groom or the best man is. We know.

Naff twinkly music as a sound track to a "romantic" montage is so inoffensive it is utterly offensive. Celine Dion's "Falling into you" when you know the whole thing started with fingers and a shift at the back of a seedy niteclub years ago.

Country and Irish.

Said Country and Irish band doing "Say you love me" by Wee Daniel and calling it Rock 'n' Roll.

The immense hangover you got for nothing when the only loose women at the wedding were so bovine that the cows went calling for them.

€200 plus drinks out of pocket.

Screw that.

You sound great craic!!! :eek:

lazygal · 14-03-2014 10:30AM

hoodwinked wrote: »

because it made no difference to my views, i am not religious but still got to marry the man i loved still got the day out in the beautiful venue and dress and i didn't have to compromise my views or vows or make false promises to "god", and my husband who is religious also got his way got to get married in church before the eyes of his god,

christening the child makes no difference to me, did i believe she'd go to limbo if we didn't no, does he take her to mass yes, and i go too it really doesn't hurt me to give up one hour every fortnight to sit in a church and support my husband and child in what they believe in, i don't believe in it that doesn't mean she won't, but if she finds some small happiness or comfort in her religion then i am happy my child will have that option.

The church doesn't care that you only had a church wedding and baptism as a "compromise", only that they've more fuel in the fire for their numbers.

Milly33 · 14-03-2014 10:31AM

Haha another one not to invite.. Jes do people really take the piss out of lets say a free bar and the toast drinks like that (as in ordering cocktails or doubles or trebles). I would not mind lets say a double whiskey or something like that, that you would drink straight but cocktails ne ne bad form.

We would normally just get another glass of vino

Sligo1 · 14-03-2014 10:32AM

amdublin wrote: »

I think these courses are a great idea. I'm all for "counsel" and advice. And I think it's a great idea to take some time out as a couple and explore your relationship.

But anyone I know who went on one (as part of their church wedding) gave out about having to give up their weekend. Well just don't do it if you don't want to do it. Another part of Irish weddings I just don't get.

Lol... I gave out. It was on a really rare hot weekend! Haha.

Banjoxed · 14-03-2014 10:32AM

kkcatlou wrote: »

You sound great craic!!! :eek:

I take it the invite is off

hoodwinked · 14-03-2014 10:37AM

lazygal wrote: »

The church doesn't care that you only had a church wedding and baptism as a "compromise", only that they've more fuel in the fire for their numbers.

let them have my numbers,

what is more important to me, is my happiness and the happiness of my family, religion has helped my husband and his mother through some very tough times, it works for them like counseling worked for me in tough times,

his uncle is a priest and maybe that effects me as i really respect the man and i can differentiate between the man and his job. (in fact he is my favorite in-law) so having him marry us was also important to me and an honour, and he knows i am not religious (as we tend to debate the topic a lot) but then he is a pretty cool person and it was his idea to re-word it so i wouldn't be uncomfortable saying things i didn't believe. (he also spent the ceremony making us all laugh it was so unique friends of ours have also asked him to officiate their non-religious ceremony too)

Kontrapasa · 14-03-2014 10:42AM

lazygal wrote: »

The church doesn't care that you only had a church wedding and baptism as a "compromise", only that they've more fuel in the fire for their numbers.

+1

A compromise would have been having a civil ceremony and then a catholic blessing or something like that. Standing up there in front of your husband, the priest and your guests, you got married by God in the eyes of everyone...I don't think having your wows tweaked to suit you doesn't mean you didn't marry by the church. You basically gave in. Same about christening the baby, that's no compromise but another new member of the catholic church for the stats and you allowed her to be "signed up" (with no opt out option) for a thing you don't even believe in.

Sligo1 wrote: »

I don't think that's the case anymore. Well it Wasnt with ours anyway. We had a man and a woman give our course. Each whom had been married to their respective partners for around 20 years and they had children.

I don't think it's the priests or nuns who teach these courses anymore... I could be wrong?

My friends were at one few weeks ago, it was a priest. Find this hilarious. Same when they're giving marital advice during mass or how to bring up children during christenings...Sure you wouldn't take driving lessons from somebody that hasn't ever driven a car, right? :rolleyes:

hoodwinked · 14-03-2014 10:53AM

Kontrapasa wrote: »

+1

A compromise would have been having a civil ceremony and then a catholic blessing or something like that. Standing up there in front of your husband, the priest and your guests, you got married by God in the eyes of everyone...I don't think having your wows tweaked to suit you doesn't mean you didn't marry by the church. You basically gave in. Same about christening the baby, that's no compromise but another new member of the catholic church for the stats and you allowed her to be "signed up" (with no opt out option) for a thing you don't even believe in.

really? it doesn't feel to me like i gave in? so isn't that what really counts here? i don't base my thoughts or feelings on what my guests think...

a civil ceremony would have been my husband losing out on the wedding he always wanted, thats not a compromise either, i was happy with our choice as was he so surely the compromise worked for us?, i couldn't be happy getting married if i knew he was only doing something for me. And any way im not even sure the honan in UCC is a catholic church (i think it may be non de-nom), but it is a beautiful venue to get married in.

and as for the christening thing, i was christened, i did my communion, and by my confirmation i knew i didn't believe and did it anyway. did it hurt me in any way? no,

when i decided to declare myself agnostic did the church hunt me down and beat me with sticks? no.

in fact what effect does me being a number to the church have on my life?....none!

i can't assume my daughter will feel the same as i do and i would never push her to, she can make her own mind up when she is ready to, we don't push her in either direction we are just giving her choices, its the same as activities, you don't know what they'll like so you sign them up to scouts, soccer/rugby or a martial art and then they keep doing it (or quit if they don't like it)

Kontrapasa wrote: »

My friends were at one few weeks ago, it was a priest. Find this hilarious. Same when they're giving marital advice during mass or how to bring up children during christenings...Sure you wouldn't take driving lessons from somebody that hasn't ever driven a car, right? :rolleyes:

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but as i said above my husband's uncle is a priest, and he is like a grandfather to our 4 year old, she adores him, he could tell you a few things about raising children, and where to buy the best clothes for children, and how to get your one year old to say "i am precocious"

as for marriage, he spends 365 days a year around married couples, observing them from the outside, seeing what they are like with one another, who better than someone who's job it is to do something to ask for advice on that something?

some people forget that these priests also went to college and most of them have done psychology courses too, and counseling courses, as they effectively work as counsellors to people, when they have deaths, weddings and births.

they are around these situations 24/7 so yes although i am biased i would accept any advice given by a priest.

lazygal · 14-03-2014 10:54AM

Giving your child choices would be letting her decide when she's old enough whether she wants to be Catholic and be baptized.

Sligo1 · 14-03-2014 10:54AM

Kontrapasa wrote: »

My friends were at one few weeks ago, it was a priest. Find this hilarious. Same when they're giving marital advice during mass or how to bring up children during christenings...Sure you wouldn't take driving lessons from somebody that hasn't ever driven a car, right? :rolleyes:

This I agree with!

PCros · 14-03-2014 10:58AM

Ok so it seems the atheist brigade have latched onto this thread which started off as light hearted banter and will now ultimately be closed as the last few pages has turned in to a religion debate.

If Hoodwinked wanted her husband to be happy, and she was happy about that, then leave it be!

Thumby · 14-03-2014 10:59AM

ronjo wrote: »

If it was really important to your husband would you agree to it for his sake?

If it was really important I would try and see if there was anyway we could find something that suits us both.
As it is we're both compromising about where we are getting married. I would have been just as happy to get married in a registry office but my oh was adamant that he didn't want that so we are getting married in the same place as we're having our reception.

amdublin wrote: »

What, so you both can be hypocrites?

Seriously, if you are genuinely serious about your faith then super. But seriously if you don't even know when to kneel, when to stand, resent the premarital course etc etc what is the point?

You might as well find a building that just looks like a church to get the same effect.

Exactly amdublin

hoodwinked wrote: »

wow,

well i am one of those "not religious" people, in fact i would probably be classed as agnostic,

my husband is religious, his mother is fiercely so, his uncle is a priest,

i agreed to have a catholic mass wedding, (the full deal) as to me it was the vows and the civil parts that mattered where as to him the religious side was important, so we compromised, i would never dismiss any part of him especially his religion as he finds comfort there in times when he needs to, (i also wouldn't have married him if i did dismiss a part of him or showed such blatant disrespect for his views)

his uncle was our priest and we re-worded the ceremony so i wasn't saying anything hypocritical, and worded the vows so that i could mean and keep every word i said, (it was actually quite easy to do with the options the church gives to you)

we got the best of both worlds.

when it came to christening our child, we did the same thing, it was an easy choice to me as it was sprinkling her head with water, and a day out, where to him it meant so much more and to her, well she might be like her dad and find great comfort there, or like me and not believe a word of it, either way she makes her own choices now.

I am not dismissing my oh views or beliefs. If he was attending church on a regualar basis or was more than just paying lip service to the way he was brought up then it would be a different story. Like you we would manage to find something that works for both of us. None of our family memebers are particuluarly religious they just identify themselves as catholic and those who pay more than just lip service to the occasional mass (midnight mass at xmas, easter mass etc) don't expect us to get married in a church. It's just not important to them. They just want us to be happy and want to be to see us get married and celebrate with us.
The only reason my mother wants us to get married in a church is so that she can show off and say oh well my daughter had this that and the other etc etc etc.
Forget keeping up with the Joneses for my mother it's all about outdoing them.

I will admit I have had all of my kids christened, (i didn't make and promises or say any vows however,) and the older ones have made their communions and one confirmation so far. However i don't feel I am being hyprocritcal in this as I made up my own mind when i was older and my kids will do the same. It's a good thing, i think, they have something to believe in and learn the value of faith. They can make up their own mind when they are older. I know i'm gonna land myself in a pile of trouble with this,but it's like letting them believe in Santa. ( I don't mean that in a dismissive way or beratement of anyones beliefs, just that it's something they should decide for themselves when older and also i don't want them being left out in school etc and missing major milestones of a young childs life.

ronjo wrote: »

Thats what I was getting at with my question. I dont personally understand how it can be a deal breaker. (just my opinion)

Thumby · 14-03-2014 11:05AM

@Hoodwinked,

I think it's absolutely fantastic that you and your husband were able to come up a compromise like that and it does sound genuienly lovely. However as i've stated my oh is most def not like your hubby and there's probably more religious belief in an inanimate object than in my oh, and i just won't bow down to my mother and her vanity and be out of pockets because she wants and i'm quoting "the day she never got" when she married my dad. Looking back at the pix of their wedding it was absolutely lavish compared to most back then and she still wasn't happy. That's the only reason she wants us to get married in a church. She's the only one. My dad will still get to walk me down the aisle as he wants so he's not bothered by the venue ceremony.

username123 · 14-03-2014 11:06AM

hoodwinked wrote: »

let them have my numbers,

Unfortunately those numbers affect social policy in this country and as long as we have people who dont believe but go along with it for whatever reason (to please others, for tradition, to have nice pics in a church, for an easier life etc..) - as long as this goes on, its harder to get religion out of schools, its harder to to separate church and state etc... Thats the bigger picture.

amdublin · 14-03-2014 11:06AM

PCros wrote: »

Ok so it seems the atheist brigade have latched onto this thread which started off as light hearted banter and will now ultimately be closed as the last few pages has turned in to a religion debate.

If Kontrapasa wanted her husband to be happy, and she was happy about that, then leave it be!

I don't think so. A few pages back people had latched on to my comments that no one likes to be hungry between the church and the dinner.

It is the same posters as far as I can see from the very start so no "atheists" latching on

The thread is just ebbing and flowing the way threads do.

So! Fascinators! Hands up who honestly thought their mammy looked stunning with a mad confabulation of feather on top of their head

Or who honestly think they are seriously silly looking :pac:

hoodwinked · 14-03-2014 11:08AM

Thumby wrote: »

I am not dismissing my oh views or beliefs. If he was attending church on a regualar basis or was more than just paying lip service to the way he was brought up then it would be a different story. Like you we would manage to find something that works for both of us. None of our family memebers are particuluarly religious they just identify themselves as catholic and those who pay more than just lip service to the occasional mass (midnight mass at xmas, easter mass etc) don't expect us to get married in a church. It's just not important to them. They just want us to be happy and want to be to see us get married and celebrate with us.
The only reason my mother wants us to get married in a church is so that she can show off and say oh well my daughter had this that and the other etc etc etc.
Forget keeping up with the Joneses for my mother it's all about outdoing them.

well you see context is everything

, we are obviously in a different situation to you guys my husband doesn't just identify as catholic, he is catholic. and thats why i pointed out that you can be non-religious but still get married in a church without compromising agnostic views.

Thumby wrote: »

I will admit I have had all of my kids christened, (i didn't make and promises or say any vows however,) and the older ones have made their communions and one confirmation so far. However i don't feel I am being hyprocritcal in this as I made up my own mind when i was older and my kids will do the same. It's a good thing, i think, they have something to believe in and learn the value of faith. They can make up their own mind when they are older. I know i'm gonna land myself in a pile of trouble with this,but it's like letting them believe in Santa. ( I don't mean that in a dismissive way or beratement of anyones beliefs, just that it's something they should decide for themselves when older and also i don't want them being left out in school etc and missing major milestones of a young childs life.

but if that is how you think, that is not wrong, my point is there is enough trouble in the world, if thats what you decided you should stand by your reasons, i do (it gets me in the height of trouble)

username123 · 14-03-2014 11:09AM

Heres one I hate about weddings. I cant wear heels. I had knee surgeries, joint issues etc... I just cant do it. So what do I wear with a formal dress for a wedding that doesnt look like something a woman in her sixties would wear!!

hoodwinked · 14-03-2014 11:10AM

amdublin wrote: »

So! Fascinators! Hands up who honestly thought their mammy looked stunning with a mad confabulation of feather on top of their head Or who honestly think they are seriously silly looking :pac:

My mammy didn't wear anything in her hair, just got it all done up, she was too young for the dowdy look!

username123 wrote: »

Heres one I hate about weddings. I cant wear heels. I had knee surgeries, joint issues etc... I just cant do it. So what do I wear with a formal dress for a wedding that doesnt look like something a woman in her sixties would wear!!

there are some lovely flats available these days, plus you can keep your shoes on all night where others won't! i don't get the whole shoeless look! JUST BRING FLATS!

ronjo · 14-03-2014 11:10AM

Thumby wrote: »

@Hoodwinked,

I think it's absolutely fantastic that you and your husband were able to come up a compromise like that and it does sound genuienly lovely. However as i've stated my oh is most def not like your hubby and there's probably more religious belief in an inanimate object than in my oh, and i just won't bow down to my mother and her vanity and be out of pockets because she wants and i'm quoting "the day she never got" when she married my dad. Looking back at the pix of their wedding it was absolutely lavish compared to most back then and she still wasn't happy. That's the only reason she wants us to get married in a church. She's the only one. My dad will still get to walk me down the aisle as he wants so he's not bothered by the venue ceremony.

Thats all totally fair enough.

Your initial statement of "i'm not Catholic and my oh is and he's been told in no uncertain terms that's he has a snowballs chance in hell of having a church wedding." seemed quite strong to me and I was just wondering why.

Thumby · 14-03-2014 11:14AM

amdublin wrote: »

I don't think so. A few pages back people had latched on to my comments that no one likes to be hungry between the church and the dinner.

It is the same posters as far as I can see from the very start so no "atheists" latching on The thread is just ebbing and flowing the way threads do.

So! Fascinators! Hands up who honestly thought their mammy looked stunning with a mad confabulation of feather on top of their head Or who honestly think they are seriously silly looking :pac:

Small dainty ones can be nice if they actually accentuate what the woman is wearing but oh my jebus some of those yokes are bigger than me :pac: not to mention look like something that crawled out of sigorney weavers stomach in alien.:D

Kontrapasa · 14-03-2014 11:14AM

hoodwinked wrote: »

really? it doesn't feel to me like i gave in? so isn't that what really counts here? i don't base my thoughts or feelings on what my guests think...

a civil ceremony would have been my husband losing out on the wedding he always wanted, thats not a compromise either, i was happy with our choice as was he so surely the compromise worked for us?, i couldn't be happy getting married if i knew he was only doing something for me. And any way im not even sure the honan in UCC is a catholic church (i think it may be non de-nom), but it is a beautiful venue to get married in.

and as for the christening thing, i was christened, i did my communion, and by my confirmation i knew i didn't believe and did it anyway. did it hurt me in any way? no,

when i decided to declare myself agnostic did the church hunt me down and beat me with sticks? no.

in fact what effect does me being a number to the church have on my life?....none!

i can't assume my daughter will feel the same as i do and i would never push her to, she can make her own mind up when she is ready to, we don't push her in either direction we are just giving her choices, its the same as activities, you don't know what they'll like so you sign them up to scouts, soccer/rugby or a martial art and then they keep doing it (or quit if they don't like it)

You did what you thought it was right to make sure your husband was happy and fair play to you, but in my view, you stood up there and "faked" it for his sake and everyone elses. To me it sounds like "sure but I crossed my fingers on my back everytime they mention God, so it doesn't really count..."

About you don't minding being a number more in the catholic church is not as simple as just being one number, but about the power that the church gets in this country and using those number the control they have over society. You allowed to put your name as catholic marriage and your baby's as catholic, bulking up the already big list of supposedly believers (while churchs are completely empty).

As a person with an Irish partner and hoping to create a family someday, it scares me the power that the church has in this country, specially when it comes to schools. I find it unenviable the amount of atheist parents that have to end up sending their children to catholic school because the state fails to provide a non religious education. Their children having to either listen "to fairy tales" or being put aside while others do religion; unbelievable that this happens in a first world country in 2014. I know this a another topic and another discussion, but just wanted to point out that this "fake-harmless" celebrations are not as harmless as they may seem. People should be able to see the consequences of having their "dream" church wedding further away than the beautiful fairy tale day with the beautiful church.

Thumby · 14-03-2014 11:16AM

ronjo wrote: »

Thats all totally fair enough.

Your initial statement of "i'm not Catholic and my oh is and he's been told in no uncertain terms that's he has a snowballs chance in hell of having a church wedding." seemed quite strong to me and I was just wondering why.

Sorry ronjo.
Blame my mother as she is trying to guilt him into guilting me into having one, after she realised it wasn't working directly once i told her we were getting married.
It's not working though, thankfully.

amdublin · 14-03-2014 11:16AM

Ps. I don't know if his whole thread/my op is light hearted banter only.

Some of it I am very serious about.
The church bit.
The gift/money bit - you have everything you need (house etc) and you have enough to pay for your wedding...why you want more?

Things I don't get about Irish weddings MOD WARNING POST #322

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