Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

Holsten · 10-03-2014 07:14PM

Jumboman wrote: »

How would you deal with them then ?

I'm not intelligent enough to come up with a solution, but going backwards is certainly not the right answer.

The aim should be to prevent crime before it happens and if it happens the aim should shift towards preventing it ever happening again.

Punishment upon punishment won't do anything to prevent it happening again, if anything it increases the chances so a new approach should be looked at. Norway seem to lead the way in this regard with the lowest re-offending rate in Europe.

Jumboman · 10-03-2014 07:16PM

Holsten wrote: »

I'm not intelligent enough to come up with a solution, but going backwards is certainly not the right answer.

The aim should be to prevent crime before it happens and if it happens the aim should shift towards preventing it ever happening again.

Punishment upon punishment won't do anything to prevent it happening again, if anything it increases the chances so a new approach should be looked at. Norway seem to lead the way in this regard with the lowest re-offending rate in Europe.

If the beasts were put down on their first offence it would never happen again.

Holsten · 10-03-2014 07:17PM

Jumboman wrote: »

If the beasts were put down on their first offence it would never happen again.

Hahah there's just no getting through to you.

Jumboman · 10-03-2014 07:20PM

Holsten wrote: »

Hahah there's just no getting through to you.

I'm glad you think this whole isssue is funny:rolleyes:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 11-03-2014 12:22AM

Jumboman wrote: »

If the beasts were put down on their first offence it would never happen again.

Now that's just stupid - of course it'll happen again.

What you are doing by killing a pedophile is just that: killing one pedophile. The fact that there could well be tens of thousands of them out there seems to not be a problem worth worrying abotu and therein lies the essense of your fallacy:

You think that, by waiting for the pedophile to rape a child, you are preventing the rape of children.

zoe 3619 · 11-03-2014 01:03AM

No

Jumboman · 11-03-2014 03:59AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Now that's just stupid - of course it'll happen again.

What you are doing by killing a pedophile is just that: killing one pedophile. The fact that there could well be tens of thousands of them out there seems to not be a problem worth worrying abotu and therein lies the essense of your fallacy:

You think that, by waiting for the pedophile to rape a child, you are preventing the rape of children.

Do you read the Irish Times or The Guardian by any chance ?

J_E · 11-03-2014 09:56AM

Jumboman wrote: »

If the beasts were put down on their first offence it would never happen again.

I am so glad you will never play a role in the justice system...I think The Sun are hiring though.

OldNotWIse · 11-03-2014 10:23AM

Jumboman wrote: »

I'm glad you think this whole isssue is funny:rolleyes:

If you ceased referring to them as beasts, animals, monsters etc people might take you more seriously. It's almost as if you swallowed a bale of News of the Worlds.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 11-03-2014 12:42PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Do you read the Irish Times or The Guardian by any chance ?

Is this your way of avoiding the argument, by any chance?

OldNotWIse · 11-03-2014 12:45PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Is this your way of avoiding the argument, by any chance?

I think its some kind of misplaced counter attack. Some people asked the poster if he/she reads News of the World as the constant drivel about beasts/monsters/animals and the general take 'em out and burn them in the streets sentiment would suggest, and seemingly the appropriate response to that assertion is to ask what papers we read...I think, but I cant really see clearly here with all the pitchforks obscuring my view.

Jumboman · 11-03-2014 04:03PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Is this your way of avoiding the argument, by any chance?

I think you have answered my question!

Jumboman · 11-03-2014 04:05PM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

If you ceased referring to them as beasts, animals, monsters etc people might take you more seriously. It's almost as if you swallowed a bale of News of the Worlds.

What else would you call these Scumbags ?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 11-03-2014 04:14PM

Jumboman wrote: »

I think you have answered my question!

As you did mine, so to speak. I'll assume you're leaving my original point correct and unchallenged?

truedoom · 11-03-2014 04:14PM

Always liked the idea of the prison in the Dark Knight Rises.

Big hole in the ground that you can't escape from (unless you are a child, and bruce wayne).

but for some things, i do think the death penalty should be introduced. I'm talking for things like torture/rape/serial killings. Something you have to be consciously aware that you're doing.

Mal-Adjusted · 11-03-2014 04:29PM

Jumboman wrote: »

I think you have answered my question!

He really hasn't

OldNotWIse · 11-03-2014 04:47PM

Jumboman wrote: »

What else would you call these Scumbags ?

Criminals. I think we've been over these grounds before.

end of the road · 11-03-2014 04:55PM

truedoom wrote: »

Always liked the idea of the prison in the Dark Knight Rises.

Big hole in the ground that you can't escape from (unless you are a child, and bruce wayne).

but for some things, i do think the death penalty should be introduced. I'm talking for things like torture/rape/serial killings. Something you have to be consciously aware that you're doing.

by introducing the death penalty for those crimes your actually condoning those crimes by allowing the same thing, well at least murder

loveisdivine · 11-03-2014 04:57PM

I think the only way to really tackle the peadophile issue is to make help available to people who are experiencing thoughts of that nature. If there wasn't such hysteria around the issue, people might be more willing to come forward and speak to a professional about their feelings, before those feelings turn into actions.

At the end of the day, nobody wakes up and decides that they are going to start finding children attractive. I believe this is a mental health issue that people need help to overcome/manage.

Mr Williams · 11-03-2014 06:32PM

ABC101 wrote: »

As far as I am aware (open to correction) but the EU does not allow member states to have implement the Death Penalty.

So even if the citizens of Ireland wanted capital punishment it would not be enacted.

Problem with the death penalty is that it is Terminal. Once done, no going back.

I don't have enough faith in the Gardai Siochana to ensure they had the right person.

Look at the Frank Mc Brearty case and the Ian Baily situation. Both of these men could have been executed despite the lack of evidence.

You see... Ireland is the land of Zero Accountability... even if the wrong person was hanged / shot / head chopped off / electrocuted / lethal injection or whatever... there would be no accountability, except the taxpayer would have to cough up more money to the surviving relatives etc.

Those people who wrongly persecuted an innocent person would still be free to enjoy life, pensioned off early etc etc. After all why should one care... when the taxpayer will be picking up the tab.

John Lonegan had an interesting article in the media recently,

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/you-dont-hear-of-the-boys-in-welloff-areas-being-stopped-30075748.html

He expressed grave concern that the new generation of criminals do not have empathy. They are hardened people, unable to understand the sufferings of others.

I don't think Ireland has an answer to these types of criminals.

I'm not a fan of the EU. If your concerned about the EU not allowing it then all we have to do is to f**k these beasts into the general prison population and let some civically minded prisoners take care of them.

Why should they be given special protection in prison at the tax payers expense ?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 11-03-2014 06:49PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

I'm not a fan of the EU. If your concerned about the EU not allowing it then all we have to do is to f**k these beasts into the general prison population and let some civically minded prisoners take care of them.

Why should they be given special protection in prison at the tax payers expense ?

Are we to assume, then, that you're happy to take the EU handouts and backtrack a bit on the death penalty, so?

In any case, I don't think there's any extra expense to the taxpayer - it's just a different section of the same prison with the same costs.

end of the road · 11-03-2014 07:39PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

I'm not a fan of the EU. If your concerned about the EU not allowing it then all we have to do is to f**k these beasts into the general prison population and let some civically minded prisoners take care of them.

Why should they be given special protection in prison at the tax payers expense ?

because the law requires it, and the prison has a duty of care to its inmates, tough ****, get over it

olliesgirl55 · 11-03-2014 07:46PM

I used to support the death penalty however I don't anymore. I think the sentences should be tougher and life sentences should mean whole natural life and not like 20 years.
Some criminals like child sex offenders should never be released back into society because they cannot be rehabilitated.

Mr Williams · 11-03-2014 08:51PM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Criminals. I think we've been over these grounds before.

If they are criminals then why cant they be put in a normal criminal jail ?

Mr Williams · 11-03-2014 08:54PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Are we to assume, then, that you're happy to take the EU handouts and backtrack a bit on the death penalty, so?

In any case, I don't think there's any extra expense to the taxpayer - it's just a different section of the same prison with the same costs.

EU handouts what are you talking about ? they took more off us than they ever gave us. Despite what politicians may say Ireland would be far better off outside the EU.

The fact that we have to look after sex beasts shows you how f**ked up the EU is.

Mr Williams · 11-03-2014 08:58PM

end of the road wrote: »

because the law requires it, and the prison has a duty of care to its inmates, tough ****, get over it

"Duty of care" for the likes of Larry Murphy costs a fortune. I dont see why these animals should get special treatment ?

end of the road · 11-03-2014 09:01PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

If they are criminals then why cant they be put in a normal criminal jail ?

they are, just kept away from the other prisoners, i've all ready explained it so go back and read my post again

end of the road · 11-03-2014 09:07PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

EU handouts what are you talking about ? they took more off us than they ever gave us. Despite what politicians may say Ireland would be far better off outside the EU.

really? so if we left the EU how exactly would we fund ourselves? what do we have that other countries don't? oh yes thats right nothing, both ourselves and britain have lost everything that we could use to fund ourselves in a world outside the EU, i agree its far from perfect but better in then out.

Mr Williams wrote: »

The fact that we have to look after sex beasts shows you how f**ked up the EU is.

really? their are actual problems within the EU, this isn't one of them, countries outside the EU also put sex offenders away from the other prisoners, because their laws require it and the prisons have a duty of care to the prisoners, you don't like that and thats fine but its not going to change so i suggest you get over it

end of the road · 11-03-2014 09:10PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

"Duty of care" for the likes of Larry Murphy costs a fortune.

no it doesn't

Mr Williams wrote: »

I dont see why these animals should get special treatment ?

go back and read the thread, all explained to you

ABC101 · 11-03-2014 09:24PM

@ Mr Williams,

I think you are missing a few things... first of all you are "insulting" the Beasts by referring to evil people as beasts.

Secondly... Crime is a very important industry in Ireland...the Govt / "establishment" makes a lot of money out of it.

If 10,000 extra spaces in prison where created, crime in Ireland could be almost eliminated..

However the security industry would collapse... the Govt makes money on every transaction, from you buying your 4th TV because your previous 3 where stolen, to paying higher insurance levies for property damage and so and on, a window gets smashed, vat is paid on the new glass, vat is paid on the labour and so on and on. The govt is creaming it in.

There is no doubt in my mind that crime is tolerated in Ireland as it is a big money spinner for the establishment.

Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

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