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  • #902
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Its already been documented on this threads, with reference, how the Ugandan authorities do not enjoy the sopport of the RCC, so your going nowhere with that angle.

    Its got nothing to do with the RCC, the state made the law as you love to point out. The Ugandan people have a vote if they dont like it. If the gays dont like it they can leave.


  • #903
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    efb wrote: »
    She loves that too!

    Would she have loved Penal Laws? They were the law of the land...

    .....and they got changed efb.by the Government.
    Your getting desperate now and clutching at straws.


  • #904
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    .....and they got changed efb.by the Government.
    Your getting desperate now and clutching at straws.

    Not at all. Laws change- so does the RCCs interpretation of the bible. Slaves are bad now


  • #905
    Jamsiek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Jamsiek


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Its already been documented on this threads, with reference, how the Ugandan authorities do not enjoy the sopport of the RCC, so your going nowhere with that angle.

    Maybe not but it is the will of the majority and their democratically elected government. Democracy is a good system overall but is far from perfect, minorities shouldn't be ignored.


  • #906
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    efb wrote: »
    If they didn't ram their opinions down people's thoughts like their curates with altar boys I wouldn't care less. But they demand a platform on the airways and threaten those who disagree. Luckily they have lost most of the influence they had .

    I should just stand back and allow the RCC to deny me rights? I don't think so- I will continue to fight for my rights in spite of indoctrinated bile spewing from lemmings

    They are entitled to a platform on the airwaves. Any organisation is entitled to ask to be heard about an issue concerning their members.
    SIPTU ASTI TUI IFA IMPACT ICMSA AGSI (just a small selection) all are heard frequently about many issues.
    Just because you ,efb, do not like what the RCC has to say, it doesn't mean their not entitled to express themselves.
    Once again if you don't like it, well, that's tough.


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  • #907
    sillyoulfool
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭sillyoulfool


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Because you choose to live in a Catholic country. Our constitution is expressly Christian and notes the importance of God. You should either campaign to have the constitution and laws changed (don't bother you'd be wasting your time) or move to a secular country if not being allowed drink one day of the year bothers you that much.

    1. Ireland is a secular state not a Catholic country.
    2. The Constitution does not nor never has noted the special position of any of the Gods.
    Try a little to get your facts correct before posting.


  • #908
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    :P
    efb wrote: »
    Not at all. Laws change- so does the RCCs interpretation of the bible. Slaves are bad now

    Laws change when governments change them. Not getting your bible/slaves comparison.


  • #909
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    They are entitled to a platform on the airwaves. Any organisation is entitled to ask to be heard about an issue concerning their members.
    SIPTU ASTI TUI IFA IMPACT ICMSA AGSI (just a small selection) all are heard frequently about many issues.
    Just because you ,efb, do not like what the RCC has to say, it doesn't mean their not entitled to express themselves.
    Once again if you don't like it, well, that's tough.
    I can express my dislike of it. And question their validity and authority to lecture anyone on morals
    But 'that's tough' that's an excellent argument


  • #910
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Which can also lead to oppression of minorities. i.e Uganda

    Not being allowed to drink intoxicating liquor is now the equivalent to the oppression of minorities in Uganda. LOL.


  • #911
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    :P

    Laws change when governments change them. Not getting your bible/slaves comparison.

    I didn't expect you too


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  • #912
    Jamsiek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Jamsiek


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Not being allowed to drink intoxicating liquor is now the equivalent to the oppression of minorities in Uganda. LOL.

    Extreme case but same principle.
    The issue is the stupidity of the law


  • #913
    Eutow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭Eutow


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Why do people feel the need to have alcohol available 365 days a year? Can you not go one day without getting locked?


    I don't drink 363/364 days of the year, and neither do the majority of people, so opening on Good Friday is not going to mean people will drink 365/366 days of the year. Opening on the Good Friday will not affect people who wish to abstain because of the religious aspect of it.

    And, I keep reading about giving the publician and the bar staff a day off, as if to say they only get the Good Friday and Christmas Day off. They are all chained to the bar every other day going by what some people are saying here.

    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Try as you might you cannot prove that God doesn't exist.

    Yeah, and then I can say prove there is a God. I could say I believe in dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark they shoot bees at you, and that nobody can prove they don't exist.

    Going by the probabilities, you would have to say they don't exist.
    mrsbyrne wrote: »

    My weirdness is not interfering with you, is it?

    It is, because religious laws still have a big influence. Now you will say that nothing is stopping the government from changing it, and you are right, but our government are spineless when it comes to anything that might offend the church.


  • #914
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Not being allowed to drink intoxicating liquor is now the equivalent to the oppression of minorities in Uganda. LOL.

    It was being used as a example of when the democratic majority is followed. Also you never answered this:
    If its a catholic country then you shouldnt be able to work on Sundays, get a divorce etc etc. Why do we allow them? Are we only a "Catholic" country when it suits some people?


  • #915
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Dick phelan wrote: »
    Every person on this thread complaining about no drink being sold on GF i assume you all tell your employers not to give you a day off that you want to work seen as you don't believe.
    Last year was my first good Friday off in years. No point in me asking to work seeing as the company (a large one) was closed.


  • #916
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,203 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    sillyoulfool wrote: »
    1. Ireland is a secular state not a Catholic country.
    2. The Constitution does not nor never has noted the special position of any of the Gods.
    Try a little to get your facts correct before posting.

    Pity you weren't round this morning, when I mentioned that the law can be changed at any time by the government, everyone was saying that government don't because they and RCC are all one, nice to see some sense being made in this thread.


  • #917
    Osgoodisgood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Osgoodisgood


    sillyoulfool wrote: »
    1. Ireland is a secular state not a Catholic country.
    2. The Constitution does not nor never has noted the special position of any of the Gods.
    Try a little to get your facts correct before posting.


    You might want to try a little harder yourself

    UNREACHT NA hÉIREANN
    In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom
    is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all
    actions both of men and States must be referred,
    We, the people of Éire,
    Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our
    Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers
    through centuries of trial,


  • #918
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Osgoodisgood wrote: »

    You might want to try a little harder yourself

    UNREACHT NA hÉIREANN
    In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom
    is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all
    actions both of men and States must be referred,
    We, the people of Éire,
    Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our
    Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers
    through centuries of trial,
    You should have kept reading.
    ARTICLE 44

    1 The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His Name in reverence, and shall respect and honour religion.

    2 1° Freedom of conscience and the free profession and practice of religion are, subject to public order and morality, guaranteed to every citizen.

    2° The State guarantees not to endow any religion.

    3° The State shall not impose any disabilities or make any discrimination on the ground of religious profession, belief or status.

    4° Legislation providing State aid for schools shall not discriminate between schools under the management of different religious denominations, nor be such as to affect prejudicially the right of any child to attend a school receiving public money without attending religious instruction at that school.

    5° Every religious denomination shall have the right to manage its own affairs, own, acquire and administer property, movable and immovable, and maintain institutions for religious or charitable purposes.

    6° The property of any religious denomination or any educational institution shall not be diverted save for necessary works of public utility and on payment of compensation.


  • #919
    sillyoulfool
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭sillyoulfool


    Osgoodisgood wrote: »

    You might want to try a little harder yourself

    UNREACHT NA hÉIREANN
    In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom
    is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all
    actions both of men and States must be referred,
    We, the people of Éire,
    Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our
    Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers
    through centuries of trial,

    Massive Fail, I was waiting for some idiot to post that!
    That is not the constitution, it is MERELY the PREAMBLE to the Constitution.
    Look up preamble in a dictionary


  • #920
    Joan Burtons Sexy Knickers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25 ✭Joan Burtons Sexy Knickers


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland
    The State recognises the special position of the Holy Catholic Apostolic and Roman Church as the guardian of the Faith professed by the great majority of the citizens.

    That may be gone, but it is still in effect notionally in the minds of the flock.


  • #921
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    efb wrote: »
    I can express my dislike of it. And question their validity and authority to lecture anyone on morals
    But 'that's tough' that's an excellent argument

    Yes you can express yourself, so can I so can anyone.
    But don't deny that you've been seriously suggesting on this thread that the RCC should not be allowed a position merely because efb finds their position repugnant.
    And that's tough is not an argument, its a statement of fact.


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  • #922
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    sillyoulfool wrote: »
    Massive Fail, I was waiting for some idiot to post that!
    That is not the constitution, it is MERELY the PREAMBLE to the Constitution.
    Look up preamble in a dictionary

    It frames the constitution and sets the context... i.e Ireland is a Christian nation.

    Also, I see you have resorted to name-calling. A sure sign that you are losing the debate.


  • #923
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    :P

    Laws change when governments change them. Not getting your bible/slaves comparison.

    Course you don't get if. In typically Irish Catholic fashion you dont have a clue whats in The Bible. Many atheists do hence their atheism


  • #924
    sillyoulfool
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭sillyoulfool


    Joan Burtons Sexy Knickers wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland



    That may be gone, but it is still in effect notionally in the minds of the flock.

    That would be the flock who
    Voted FOR abortion
    Voted FOR divorce
    and if opinion polls are to be believed will vote FOR same sex marriage.

    The "flock" disappeared a long time ago.


  • #925
    Optimalprimerib
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭Optimalprimerib


    Religious arguments are easily the most idiotic going. I read a handful of posts here and neither sides are crowning themselves in glory. People will believe what they want to believe and they should be allowed do so if it is not hurting anyone.

    Who honestly gives a fcuk.


  • #926
    Osgoodisgood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Osgoodisgood


    sillyoulfool wrote: »
    Massive Fail, I was waiting for some idiot to post that!
    That is not the constitution, it is MERELY the PREAMBLE to the Constitution.
    Look up preamble in a dictionary

    Then you won't mind if we have it removed altogether.
    And while we're at it we might take the scissors to the 2009 Blasphemy Law.


  • #927
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Course you don't get if. In typically Irish Catholic fashion you dont have a clue whats in The Bible. Many atheists do hence their atheism

    I'm not Irish. You have no idea what I know. Typical Irish atheist know it all, knows nothing and wrong wrong wrong again.


  • #928
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    sillyoulfool wrote: »
    That would be the flock who
    Voted FOR abortion

    It was only voted for in exceptional circumstances, which is sensible and necessary. Thankfully the majority of the people in the county are still against the abortion on demand that a minority want introduced. My opinion on the subject is nothing to do with the church btw.


  • #929
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    I'm not Irish. You have no idea what I know. Typical Irish atheist know it all, knows nothing and wrong wrong wrong again.
    Well that attitude says it all really! Don't think there's any point in engaging with someone who has no plans on listening to what anyone else has to say.


  • #930
    Tasden
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    Optimalprimerib wrote: »
    Religious arguments are easily the most idiotic going. I read a handful of posts here and neither sides are crowning themselves in glory. People will believe what they want to believe and they should be allowed do so if it is not hurting anyone.

    Who honestly gives a fcuk.

    Well that was what people were debating to begin with, that if it didn't have an effect on their life they wouldn't give a fcuk. Its when the religion they don't believe in has an impact on their life or certain aspects of it that they do.

    But yeah some of the posts are just petty at this stage.


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  • #931
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,203 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    Well that attitude says it all really! Don't think there's any point in engaging with someone who has no plans on listening to what anyone else has to say.

    All I see are RCC haters bashing the church when anyone else puts their view forward, can it only work one way, anyone who is pro religious should just shut up?

    I notice people are making no reference to other religions in Ireland and their views on these issues.


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