Will you eat meat tomorrow

mikemac1 · 08-03-2014 09:04PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

How would it be a Bank Holiday?

I always work on GF like a lot of people.

Because banks are closed on bank holidays and that's what Good Friday is

If GF was a public holiday then most everywhere would be closed

No Pants · 08-03-2014 09:19PM

Elmo wrote: »

Clearly you some kind of rebellious jewish/catholic/muslim/hindu/vegan

Thankfully none of them have anything against dessert. I especially like the annual pancakes that come with Christianity.

catallus · 08-03-2014 09:26PM

Not to mention the chocolates

Femme_Fatale · 08-03-2014 09:29PM

Jeremias Tender Cheese wrote: »

Sure almost everything suits some people and doesn't suit others. It's just the way world works. In sure there are plenty of things that suit you and not others and which you would be in no rush to change.

Yes, it's fine that you don't have an issue with good Friday traditions - why would you when you're a catholic. That's no problem. What's annoying though is the way you refuse to acknowledge people's valid points of view about it, simply because they're not your point of view.
If the pub/off-licence closure were discontinued it would not make a difference to you, you can just choose not to drink/go to the pub. So it is possible to change, it's not something people should feel obliged to just shut up about, when it is completely unnecessary.

This is not even sometimg that suits people as such it's just sometijg that doesn't bother anyone with a bit of cop on.

"Bit of cop-on" being sharing your views. Plenty of people with plenty of cop-on don't wish to be told that they can't buy drink/go to the pub on good Friday just because of a christian tradition that others follow but plenty don't.

mrsbyrne · 08-03-2014 09:50PM

Hopefully for the last time, the pubs are closed on Good Friday because it the law of the land, not because the Bishops closed the doors. The government are free to change the law anytime they want. Lobby your TD femmefatale if you feel strongly.

Fred Swanson · 08-03-2014 09:55PM

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catallus · 08-03-2014 09:57PM

Christ, where are we supposed to get our moral guidance from? The local drug dealers?!!

P_1 · 08-03-2014 10:03PM

catallus wrote: »

Christ, where are we supposed to get our moral guidance from? The local drug dealers?!!

Allowing people the option of buying alcohol on the first Friday after the paschal full moon will not lead to society falling into anarchy

mrsbyrne · 08-03-2014 10:08PM

P_1 wrote: »

Allowing people the option of buying alcohol on the first Friday after the paschal full moon will not lead to society falling into anarchy

p_1 this is something that obviously bothers you much. Why don't you lobby your TD to have the law changed. Its nothing to do with the RCC.

mrsbyrne · 08-03-2014 10:10PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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And any government could have changed the law at any time since. Why do you think that hasn't happened Fred?

P_1 · 08-03-2014 10:12PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

p_1 this is something that obviously bothers you much. Why don't you lobby your TD to have the law changed. Its nothing to do with the RCC.

Mainly because pissing in the wind would be a greater use of my resources with FG (a party that traditionally relies on catholic votes and is quite a conservative party in itself) in power.

catallus · 08-03-2014 10:24PM

P_1 wrote: »

Mainly because pissing in the wind would be a greater use of my resources with FG (a party that traditionally relies on catholic votes and is quite a conservative party in itself) in power.

Could that not be said for all parties?

opiniated · 08-03-2014 11:21PM

Knight who says Meh wrote: »

But does the teaching of a supernatural belief be within an education system in the first place?
Isnt that what Church and family are for?
I would say an awful lot of tax payers read their Horoscopes and yet there seems to be no demand for strology to be introduced into the curriculum

I'm sure you're aware that the Catholic church provided an educational service in Ireland when the Irish government were unable to do so.
Catholics provided money for schools to be built with a Catholic ethos.
Protestants built protestant schools in the same way, or used those that had been built for their use by the British.

The truth is, that for generations, the state made no real attempt to invest in education - and most people were quite happy with the system the way it was.

Nowadays, there is a demand for schools without a religious ethos.
I have no problem with that.
I do, however, have a problem with people deciding that the Church is responsible for the lack of choice.
The church simply provided (and continues to provide) schools with an ethos that their members both want, and value.

For those who want entirely secular schools (and I respect their desire for that, even if I don't personally want such schools) - why do you see the church as being responsible for the lack of secular schools, when it is actually the Governments duty to provide them?

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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It didn't seem to bother them too much what the electorate wanted when it came to committing Billions of €s to the banks, or breaking election promises, why do you think this Government, or any other, for that matter, care one jot for what the electorate think?

P_1 · 08-03-2014 11:40PM

catallus wrote: »

Could that not be said for all parties?

Sadly true I suppose. I'd imagine that it was probably calculated that the likelihood of losing votes due to changing the law is greater than the likelihood of gaining votes. It'd be refreshing to see it being debated in the dail mind.

I Heart Internet · 09-03-2014 12:36AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Such a naive thing to say. You won't be short of company in the club who have predicted the demise of the RCC in the last couple of millennia.

Meanwhile the RCC numbers 1.2 Billion people, with more priests than at any time it's history.

The words of Thomas Babbington Macauley are, I think, useful for you to ponder Fred, as you wait patiently for the RCC to disappear...

There is not, and there never was on this earth, a work of human policy so well deserving of examination as the Roman Catholic Church. The history of that Church joins together the two great ages of human civilisation. No other institution is left standing which carries the mind back to the times when the smoke of sacrifice rose from the Pantheon, and when camelopards and tigers bounded in the Flavian amphitheatre. The proudest royal houses are but of yesterday, when compared with the line of the Supreme Pontiffs. That line we trace back in an unbroken series, from the Pope who crowned Napoleon in the nineteenth century to the Pope who crowned Pepin in the eighth; and far beyond the time of Pepin the august dynasty extends, till it is lost in the twilight of fable. The republic of Venice came next in antiquity. But the republic of Venice was modern when compared with the Papacy; and the republic of Venice is gone, and the Papacy remains. The Papacy remains, not in decay, not a mere antique, but full of life and youthful vigour. The Catholic Church is still sending forth to the farthest ends of the world missionaries as zealous as those who landed in Kent with Augustin, and still confronting hostile kings with the same spirit with which she confronted Attila. The number of her children is greater than in any former age. Her acquisitions in the New World have more than compensated for what she has lost in the Old. Her spiritual ascendency extends over the vast countries which lie between the plains of the Missouri and Cape Horn, countries which a century hence, may not improbably contain a population as large as that which now inhabits Europe. The members of her communion are certainly not fewer than a hundred and fifty millions; and it will be difficult to show that all other Christian sects united amount to a hundred and twenty millions. Nor do we see any sign which indicates that the term of her long dominion is approaching. She saw the commencement of all the governments and of all the ecclesiastical establishments that now exist in the world; and we feel no assurance that she is not destined to see the end of them all. She was great and respected before the Saxon had set foot on Britain, before the Frank had passed the Rhine, when Grecian eloquence still flourished at Antioch, when idols were still worshipped in the temple of Mecca. And she may still exist in undiminished vigour when some traveller from New Zealand shall, in the midst of a vast solitude, take his stand on a broken arch of London Bridge to sketch the ruins of St. Paul's.

All still valid, though the numbers he speaks of have inflated ed massively since then. Let's check back in 40 years and see how your prediction has gone Fred.

J_E · 09-03-2014 01:49AM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Meanwhile the RCC numbers 1.2 Billion people, with more priests than at any time it's history.

Oh, not this again! Do you realise how inconvenient and difficult it is to officially leave the church? Then you're not even sure if you've actually been stricken off a list.

Would you count a group of people as members of something when most of them were joined in without their consent or knowledge? Honestly, this is such a flaw in logic and I hate the way that number gets thrown around as if it means anything.

H2UMrsRobinson · 09-03-2014 02:31AM

Cydoniac wrote: »

Oh, not this again! Do you realise how inconvenient and difficult it is to officially leave the church? Then you're not even sure if you've actually been stricken off a list.

Would you count a group of people as members of something when most of them were joined in without their consent or knowledge? Honestly, this is such a flaw in logic and I hate the way that number gets thrown around as if it means anything.

I would genuinely be interested in how many members any religion would have if entry was voluntary rather than indoctrinated at an early age. I was christened into C of E and to be honest I don't know if they still count me as a member. I certainly don't consider myself a Christian. I wonder how many of the 1.2 billion actually identify as catholic? Is baptism considered the "point of entry" btw? This would definitely skew the figures. How can a baby be catholic?

shruikan2553 · 09-03-2014 02:49AM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

I. Have freely acknowledged several times today that the RCC to their eternal shame ran these institutions. But im stating as fact that they didnt do it without alot of help from the rest of the country.
Your saying that the RCC brainwashed society into adopting the attitude that prevailed.
But how do you explain the shunning and exclusion of unwed mothers in countries and cultures where the Catholic churchs influence would be practically nil, in particular, and to this day, in parts of Africa?

A common theme of religions is that women are lesser to men. Its very odd that the people of Ireland just happened to be following Catholic teachings while sending people to RCC run institutes where the RCC made money from them. Its just all very convenient for the RCC if they weren't manipulating anyone.

H2UMrsRobinson wrote: »

I would genuinely be interested in how many members any religion would have if entry was voluntary rather than indoctrinated at an early age. I was christened into C of E and to be honest I don't know if they still count me as a member. I certainly don't consider myself a Christian. I wonder how many of the 1.2 billion actually identify as catholic? Is baptism considered the "point of entry" btw? This would definitely skew the figures. How can a baby be catholic?

Yes baptism is when you are seen as joining the church and once that has happened the RCC sees you as Catholic, think they compared it to being a part of your family even if you dont talk to them. Makes me wonder why they bother with confirmations though as I believe the point of it is to confirm you wish to be a Catholic at an age where you can form a sentence by yourself.

Eutow · 09-03-2014 02:51AM

Jeremias Tender Cheese wrote: »

I guarantee you the same people who are complaint about not being able to go to the pub good Friday will be the most ones complaining if they weren't getting the day off.

Well, I couldn't give a sh!t if I had to work that day. I have worked in a country were you only have 10 days off work minimum, not including bank holidays, as opposed to the 20 we get in Ireland, so working Good Friday would not bother me. To me it is just a normal Friday.

Jeremias Tender Cheese wrote: »

Well I'd rather be getting the day off and going for a round of golf and spend the rest of the weekend on the beer than be able to go for a drink after work Good Friday and if Good Friday hadn't any religious significance it would be just a normal work day.

Take one of your 20 days and use it as a holiday then.

Jeremias Tender Cheese wrote: »

It's catholic bashing, plain and simple.

No, it isn't.

Jeremias Tender Cheese wrote: »

It's just tough luck on them to be honest.

It's also one of the few days where pub staff all get a day off I'm sure they would all love it to be a normal day

Bullsh!t, they get a minimum 20 days off like the rest of the population of Ireland.

Sir Arthur Daley · 09-03-2014 02:56AM

Im going for a great big carvery tomo, the queue will be tough but it will give me a chance to update my facebook status .

Eutow · 09-03-2014 03:13AM

WikiHow wrote: »

Im going for a great big carvery tomo, the queue will be tough but it will give me a chance to update my facebook status .

Well, this thread has moved to another topic once already, why not move to another. Carvery = not my cup of tea. Discuss.

H2UMrsRobinson · 09-03-2014 03:20AM

Eutow wrote: »

Well, this thread has moved to another topic once already, why not move to another. Carvery = not my cup of tea. Discuss.

Not a massive fan of the Carvery. It reminds me of standing in line for school dinners. Also when I say just a couple of spuds please why do I always get at least four or five. Still beats queuing for a wafer though

Eutow · 09-03-2014 03:22AM

H2UMrsRobinson wrote: »

Not a massive fan of the Carvery. It reminds me of standing in line for school dinners. Also when I say just a couple of spuds please why do I always get at least four or five. Still beats queuing for a wafer though

You know how it is, when we say we are going for a couple of pints, it is never two, but at least six or seven. Same with the spuds, and us Irish like our spuds.

Sir Arthur Daley · 09-03-2014 03:23AM

Eutow wrote: »

Discuss.

Carvery is grand once it is fresh, personally i prefer Restaurant Patrick Guilbaud but i like to keep in touch with the other common folk.

Jamsiek · 09-03-2014 09:32AM

Jeremias Tender Cheese wrote: »

If I was in a Jewish country I would expect no different. And if I was getting a day off for it all the better.

Luckily for me I live in Ireland (and never want to live elsewhere) and get a day off while you are working.

Just wondering, do you know Madcon as he/she seems to thank you everytime you comment but never says anything.
It would be interesting to hear a comment from him/her about the subject, just interested in people's opinions, that's all.

efb · 09-03-2014 10:30AM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

But im not asking a gay person. Im asking the poster. Unless the poster is gay. Or was forced into an illegal adoption.I dont know. What did the Catholic Church do to prevent you from going about your lawful business today akrasia, cos your awful angry?

Yes I'm gay. The churches lecturing on my rights I found to denigrate and dehumanise me, Its bullying in my opinion. Tell your flock what to do, NOT THE STATE!

09-03-2014 10:39AM

Eutow wrote: »

Well, I couldn't give a sh!t if I had to work that day. I have worked in a country were you only have 10 days off work minimum, not including bank holidays, as opposed to the 20 we get in Ireland, so working Good Friday would not bother me. To me it is just a normal Friday.

You are a strange breed then, I dont know anybody who would rather working than getting a day off. You might be happy to work somewhere with so little holidays but I certainly wouldn't.

Eutow wrote: »

Take one of your 20 days and use it as a holiday then.

Well obviously I'd rather getting it as an additional day rather than having to use up one of my days holidays for it. I have plenty of other things for using my holidays up for.

mrsbyrne · 09-03-2014 11:09AM

efb wrote: »

Yes I'm gay. The churches lecturing on my rights I found to denigrate and dehumanise me, Its bullying in my opinion. Tell your flock what to do, NOT THE STATE!

I'm afraid your living in a country which enjoys free speech.
The RCC like any other organisation is allowed to take a position and comment on any subject of national interest, whether you like it or not.
I don't know why your feeling bullied, dehumanised etc. Homosexuality was decriminalised along time ago, you know. Your not in any danger from the RCC. Your not being criticised or told what to do or where to go. I having heard any lecturing on gay rights from the RCC. Where did you hear it?
Stop playing the victim. If you don't like somebody else's opinion just get over it.
I'm fat. Fat people are tutted st and discussed and told what a burden we are on the health system etc on a daily basis.
Ithe same with smokers. On and on and on it goes.
Just get on with your life and enjoy the life you have. The RCC don't think gay people should be allowed to marry. Big deal.

rainbow kirby · 09-03-2014 11:32AM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

I don't know why your feeling bullied, dehumanised etc. Homosexuality was decriminalised along time ago, you know. Your not in any danger from the RCC. Your not being criticised or told what to do or where to go. I having heard any lecturing on gay rights from the RCC. Where did you hear it?

Are you for real? When Section 37 still exists, allowing LGBTQ teachers and medical staff to be fired from schools and hospitals to "protect the ethos", when the RCC considers LGBTQ people to be "intrinsically disordered", when the church actively campaigns against any bill relating to LGBTQ equality... that's pretty close to the definition of feeling bullied and dehumanised by an organisation that still has way more power than it deserves.

mrsbyrne wrote: »

I'm fat. Fat people are tutted st and discussed and told what a burden we are on the health system etc on a daily basis.

You can change your BMI, you can't change your sexuality. Not a valid comparison.

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Just get on with your life and enjoy the life you have. The RCC don't think gay people should be allowed to marry. Big deal.

Actually it *is* a big deal. When the organisation still has disproportionate power with our ruling parties it makes achieving equality so much harder.

Knight who says Meh · 09-03-2014 11:57AM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I don't really get that. I'd wager most people on this forum have had catholic upbringings, including myself.

Me to. So I know what Im talking about. Took me ages to shed catholic guilt and accept my lack of belief even when fully aware of biblical contradictions, all the evil in The OT and the pure barking mad stuff what with the talking snakes, possessed pigs, water to wine, rising from the dead.
There was a nagging fear there all the time and it would have been so very easy to not think about if and stay in the snuggly Catholic bubble wrap.

Will you eat meat tomorrow

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