Will you eat meat tomorrow

Ace2007 · 08-03-2014 05:08PM

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So the current government or any since 1973 can't change it?

Fred Swanson · 08-03-2014 05:10PM

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Ace2007 · 08-03-2014 05:13PM

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Ah yea, so you think the majority of people in the country don't want the law changed, and if the government do change in they won't get elected again from the majority?

Strange the way you think, when we had a law changed/modified recently in which the church was very much against it, but the state went ahead any way.

mrsbyrne · 08-03-2014 05:15PM

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But I thought that you believe that the loyal followers of the church of Rome are in such a minority that it wouldn't matter diddly sqaut what way they voted!?
So what your saying here NOW (sigh) Fred Swanson is that the majority of Irish people don't want any change in the law?
But wait, is that not just democracy then ?

Fred Swanson · 08-03-2014 05:18PM

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Jamsiek · 08-03-2014 05:20PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

So your just pretending that stuff is being imposed on you and that you are being forced to do anything . I see. Thanks for being honest though.And I hope you enjoy your pint on Good Friday and be sure and tell the locals what an uncontrollable rebel you are.
BTW which religious laws are imposed on everybody in Ireland? I can't think of any?

You must not have been reading this thread, the religious laws were already mentioned. The alcohol ban on Good Friday being the one discussed here.

I'm not being a rebel, I just hate the nanny state attitude in Ireland...and thanks, I will indeed enjoy a few drinks that day as I do most Fridays.

Elmo · 08-03-2014 05:22PM

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TBH I don't think it is high on the demands of anybody even the electorate.

Jamsiek · 08-03-2014 05:24PM

Uriel. wrote: »

That's really not a problem. No one, at least I'm not, suggesting a complete opposition to changing the prohibition on certain things (like selling drink on good friday). But if it's simply an F U to the church then fine, let's all enjoy our pints on a good Friday after work and maybe some on Saturday and Sunday, tho on Sunday get home early because work the next morning.

I really just can't stand this sh1te of putting one up to the church out of one corner of your mouth while out of the other corner accepting and enjoying the benefits provided such as a paid day off work.

The thing is I'm not even thinking about the church when I have a drink on Good Friday. It's just a Friday to me and the start of a long weekend.

mrsbyrne · 08-03-2014 05:26PM

Jamsiek wrote: »

You must not have been reading this thread, the religious laws were already mentioned. The alcohol ban on Good Friday being the one discussed here.

I'm not being a rebel, I just hate the nanny state attitude in Ireland...and thanks, I will indeed enjoy a few drinks that day as I do most Fridays.

I've followed every post with great interest.
The ban on pubs opening on Good Friday is a piece of state legislation.
Any Government of this country could change the legislation at any time.
Why do you think they don't?

mrsbyrne · 08-03-2014 05:29PM

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Give up Fred . You know when your beaten.

Femme_Fatale · 08-03-2014 05:29PM

Pubs and off-licences being closed on good Friday is a load of balls all right but other religious abstinence customs are not forced on anyone and haven't for many many years, so eating meat and drinking at home are really not things to even think about, let alone feel kinda rebellious doing.

Although the "I don't eat meat on religious days, I eat a yum fish dish instead" stuff is a bit of a joke too. It's supposed to be about abstinence - therefore eating anything enjoyable is as stupid as being smug about eating meat.

No Pants · 08-03-2014 05:32PM

Thinking back to Wednesday, I ate beef, turkey and duck. I almost had some fish and pork too, but I was quite full and wanted dessert. I didn't even think about it.

Elmo · 08-03-2014 05:34PM

No Pants wrote: »

Thinking back to Wednesday, I ate beef, turkey and duck. I almost had some fish and pork too, but I was quite full and wanted dessert. I didn't even think about it.

Clearly you some kind of rebellious jewish/catholic/muslim/hindu/vegan

P_1 · 08-03-2014 05:35PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

But who exactly is imposing what on you? I'm sorry but I UST have missed the gangs of Sasi like priests roaming the land threatening you if you disobeyed orders! Who did you imagine was forcing you? To do what? Please solve the mystery!

Ok well the obvious one is forcing people to take part in a somber catholic day (good friday) when they want nothing to do with it.

Other less obvious examples are essentially forcing people to baptise and indoctrinate their children to ensure they can get a place in their school, the rcc's anti-equality stance in relation to LGBT rights, the rcc using my taxes to compensate victims for their own crimes and countless other examples.

Joan Burtons Sexy Knickers · 08-03-2014 05:35PM

Does any one really care about an organisation that is run by criminals that interfere with children and behave like a cult?

I feel very sorry for the millions that blindly follow their instructions each Sunday. Sheep is too nice a term for them.

Fred Swanson · 08-03-2014 05:37PM

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Elmo · 08-03-2014 05:46PM

Good Friday isn't just a Catholic day, it is a Christian Day when Jesus died.

The idea that most states haven't become nanny states or that laws have not be influenced by religion in other states is flawed.

AFAIK Sunday Trading seems to have been allowed in Ireland since 1938.

08-03-2014 05:51PM

i had meat that day got an earful for my parents

wont call around for another few weeks then lol

08-03-2014 05:54PM

I guarantee you the same people who are complaint about not being able to go to the pub good Friday will be the most ones complaining if they weren't getting the day off.

Almost everyone gets Good Friday off nowadays from what I have seen most private sector business and public sector offices as well as pubs and clubs are all closed.

I really don't see the big deal, I would say I do more drinking than everyone complaining about it, yet it doesn't bother me. Good Friday is a traditional day for a round of golf for me over the last few years. The whole rest of the weekend can be used for drinking then.

mrsbyrne · 08-03-2014 05:55PM

P_1 wrote: »

Ok well the obvious one is forcing people to take part in a somber catholic day (good friday) when they want nothing to do with it.

Other less obvious examples are essentially forcing people to baptise and indoctrinate their children to ensure they can get a place in their school, the rcc's anti-equality stance in relation to LGBT rights, the rcc using my taxes to compensate victims for their own crimes and countless other examples.

How are you being forced by the church to take part in a somber Good Friday?!? Do you mean that the pubs are closed!? But that's state legislation. And the state can change the legislation any time they like. Nothing to do with the Church.
Nobody has to baptise a child to get them into a school !?? What about all the Muslim children at Catholic schools here in Ireland ? Sure they definitely weren't baptised?
What are you talking about anti-equality stance in LGBT rights. The Church as an Organisation are entitled to take up a position on any subject in the publiic domain,the same as any other organisation. Nobody is forcing you to agree with the Church's position, are they? Or are you saying the Church shouldn't be allowed to take a position? Why? When were your "taxes" used to pay compensation?

Jamsiek · 08-03-2014 06:00PM

Jeremias Tender Cheese wrote: »

I guarantee you the same people who are complaint about not being able to go to the pub good Friday will be the most ones complaining if they weren't getting the day off.

Almost everyone gets Good Friday off nowadays from what I have seen most private sector business and public sector offices as well as pubs and clubs are all closed.

I really don't see the big deal, I would say I do more drinking than everyone complaining about it, yet it doesn't bother me. Good Friday is a traditional day for a round of golf for me over the last few years. The whole rest of the weekend can be used for drinking then.

But it's the start of a long weekend so that's why I like to go for a drink.
To me, that's all it is.

08-03-2014 06:03PM

Jamsiek wrote: »

But it's the start of a long weekend so that's why I like to go for a drink.
To me, that's all it is.

Well I'd rather be getting the day off and going for a round of golf and spend the rest of the weekend on the beer than be able to go for a drink after work Good Friday and if Good Friday hadn't any religious significance it would be just a normal work day.

It's catholic bashing, plain and simple.

Femme_Fatale · 08-03-2014 06:04PM

Jeremias Tender Cheese wrote: »

I guarantee you the same people who are complaint about not being able to go to the pub good Friday will be the most ones complaining if they weren't getting the day off.

Almost everyone gets Good Friday off nowadays from what I have seen most private sector business and public sector offices as well as pubs and clubs are all closed.

I really don't see the big deal, I would say I do more drinking than everyone complaining about it, yet it doesn't bother me. Good Friday is a traditional day for a round of golf for me over the last few years. The whole rest of the weekend can be used for drinking then.

None of the above changes the fact though that if someone wants to go for a drink on good Friday, they can't. Not all people here are christian, and tourists/stags/hens could be visiting. It's nonsense IMO that pubs are closed just because of the church. The church should have no bearing on the personal lives of people who don't practise. And I am not a catholic-basher etc.

08-03-2014 06:08PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

None of the above changes the fact though that if someone wants to go for a drink on good Friday, they can't. Not all people here are christian, and tourists/stags/hens could be visiting. It's nonsense IMO that pubs are closed just because of the church. The church should have no bearing on the personal lives of people who don't practise. And I am not a catholic-basher etc.

It's just tough luck on them to be honest.

It's also one of the few days where pub staff all get a day off I'm sure they would all love it to be a normal day :rolleyes:

Choochtown · 08-03-2014 06:10PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

When were your "taxes" used to pay compensation?

Is this a joke?

mrsbyrne · 08-03-2014 06:11PM

Jamsiek wrote: »

But it's the start of a long weekend so that's why I like to go for a drink.
To me, that's all it is.

You should lobby your TD for a change in the law then if you feel that strongly. There's no good going on about the RCC . Its got nothing to do with them.
People working in pubs and hotel bars etc. get to have a day off for themselves and they probably look forward to it too. But Jamsiek wants what he wants when he/she wants it so its just tough. Can't organise a good nights drinking in his home or some pals. No, its the pub or nothing.
Definitely get up a petition and lobby your TD.

P_1 · 08-03-2014 06:11PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

How are you being forced by the church to take part in a somber Good Friday?!? Do you mean that the pubs are closed!? But that's state legislation. And the state can change the legislation any time they like. Nothing to do with the Church.
Nobody has to baptise a child to get them into a school !?? What about all the Muslim children at Catholic schools here in Ireland ? Sure they definitely weren't baptised?
What are you talking about anti-equality stance in LGBT rights. The Church as an Organisation are entitled to take up a position on any subject in the publiic domain,the same as any other organisation. Nobody is forcing you to agree with the Church's position, are they? Or are you saying the Church shouldn't be allowed to take a position? Why? When were your "taxes" used to pay compensation?

If I wish to go for a pint on the day I cannot. If I wish to use public transport on the day they operate a Sunday service on the day. Most attractions are closed on the day. How is that not enforcing one to take part in a somber day like it or not?

Tell that to parents trying to get their children places in schools in highly populated areas.

Yes they are free to take a position, they are not free to unduly influence decisions based on that position though.

Google Michael Woods TD and the 'deal' he cut with the RCC in relation to compensation for victims of clerical sexual abuse.

Fred Swanson · 08-03-2014 06:15PM

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Femme_Fatale · 08-03-2014 06:15PM

Jeremias Tender Cheese wrote: »

It's just tough luck on them to be honest.

Charming. It's a lot more than that when non christians/non religious people have to observe a tradition they have no part of.
Imagine of you had to observe a Jewish tradition whether you liked it or not.

It's also one of the few days where pub staff all get a day off I'm sure they would all love it to be a normal day :rolleyes:

":rolleyes:" unnecessary.
If you're a practising catholic who does not want to go to the pub/buy drink on good Friday, perfect - don't do either and all the best to you. But others shouldn't have to.
I don't get the "It's no big deal - I just use the day to play golf" thing from you either. Is that supposed to automatically mean that others should feel the same as you?

mrsbyrne · 08-03-2014 06:18PM

Choochtown wrote: »

Is this a joke?

No joke. Point me to a link where choochtowns "taxes" were used by the Church to pay compensation. I put a few questions in that post as well, but I don't see any answers.

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