Will you eat meat tomorrow

Jamsiek · 08-03-2014 01:06AM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Eton is a Church of England school. Another example of a faith-based school being an excellent educator.

Its also very posh which has more to do with it I would bet

branie · 08-03-2014 01:06AM

I had fish fingers on Wednesday.

Eutow · 08-03-2014 01:08AM

branie wrote: »

I had fish fingers on Wednesday.

I had an omelette.

08-03-2014 01:09AM

Jamsiek wrote: »

This is a ridiculous generalization in fairness.
What about grammar schools and private schools like Eton?

I'm purposely comparing the type of school people want here, i.e. Non-denominational state schools , with catholic schools. Private schools, high achieving schools and Church of England schools will also be good schools but they are not part of the debate as that's not what people (in AH) are looking for

Fred Swanson · 08-03-2014 01:24AM

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J_E · 08-03-2014 01:41AM

Jeremias Tender Cheese wrote: »

Non-domination schools are a bad idea anyway. Look at the dumps of schools they are in the UK, whereas catholic schools are far far superior, even practising Catholics have to jump through hoops in order to get their child into the school their choice such is the demand.

I'm sure you have evidence to back up this claim.

Ireland is not the UK, btw.

catallus wrote: »

Excellent point: the dream of secularists is to rip the heart out of classical education that four generations in Ireland have had the unheralded benefit of, largely due to the discipline of those past-masters who introduced such rigour to educating the children of this country when the government, through no fault of its own, had no means to do so.

For real?

catallus · 08-03-2014 01:44AM

Cydoniac wrote: »

For real?

Fo Real, mofo.

I guess you'll attempt to deny the unassailable truth of my assertion!

J_E · 08-03-2014 01:46AM

catallus wrote: »

Fo Real, mofo.

I guess you'll attempt to deny the unassailable truth of my assertion!

Not bothered, because frankly it's a ridiculous statement. Akin to 'gay people only want marriage so they can destroy the traditional institutions it was founded on' and that sort of nonsense.

Jamsiek · 08-03-2014 01:48AM

catallus wrote: »

four generations in Ireland have had the unheralded benefit of, largely due to the discipline of those past-masters who introduced such rigour to educating the children of this country when the government, through no fault of its own, had no means to do so.

Lots of abuses were committed during this time and the church was untouchable at the time. It wasn't all good.

shruikan2553 · 08-03-2014 01:48AM

If so many people were being baptised for reasons other than getting into schools (while catholic schools have to accept anyone if they need to thin out the crowd it is legal for them to choose those who are baptised) or just doing it to please the parents/grandparents why isnt church attendance higher? The church itself recognises that less are attending so it doesnt matter if you saw everyone from the village there last week.

catallus · 08-03-2014 01:51AM

Jamsiek wrote: »

Lots of abuses were committed during this time and the church was untouchable at the time. It wasn't all good.

Here's a serious question:

Do you think that such abuse, right now, in 2014, is not going on right under our noses?

Jamsiek · 08-03-2014 01:58AM

catallus wrote: »

Here's a serious question:

Do you think that such abuse, right now, in 2014, is not going on right under our noses?

It's much less likely now but that's thanks to those brave enough to have spoken out about previous abuses. We can be thankful that people are more open minded now.
We can't know if it's still happening.

My comment was in reply to the comment about the positive impact of religious education in the past and that it was not all good.

catallus · 08-03-2014 01:59AM

But you'd agree that is much much more good than bad?

Jamsiek · 08-03-2014 02:12AM

catallus wrote: »

But you'd agree that is much much more good than bad?

I agree that most people are naturally good but it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the cart.

My point was that, because abuses were committed by clergy (a minority of course), that you couldn't tell anybody because the church was so powerful in Ireland.

eyescreamcone · 08-03-2014 08:41AM

catallus wrote: »

But you'd agree that is much much more good than bad?

I don't!

opiniated · 08-03-2014 12:03PM

Eutow wrote: »

Why should state schools funded by the taxpayer, who may have no religion, or may follow another religion, be dominated by a religion, in this case Catholicism?

That's a fair point, until you consider that the Catholic population actually own the majority of school buildings. Strangely enough, the Catholic population also pay taxes.

Knight who says Meh · 08-03-2014 12:07PM

But does the teaching of a supernatural belief be within an education system in the first place?
Isnt that what Church and family are for?
I would say an awful lot of tax payers read their Horoscopes and yet there seems to be no demand for strology to be introduced into the curriculum

mrsbyrne · 08-03-2014 12:18PM

Knight who says Meh wrote: »

But does the teaching of a supernatural belief be within an education system in the first place?
Isnt that what Church and family are for?
I would say an awful lot of tax payers read their Horoscopes and yet there seems to be no demand for strology to be introduced into the curriculum

I've never read my horoscope in my life. I don't know what moon sign I am. Astrology is strictly at odds with catholic teaching so I don't know what you brought it up for.
Is it possible that some posters from A and A spotted an opportunity on AH to vent other considerable speens on Christians and are surprised to find themselves in a debate?

I Heart Internet · 08-03-2014 02:08PM

Cydoniac wrote: »

If someone refused to sell me a drink on Good Friday I'd be rightly pissed off.

I'd be like, "Ah yeah, no bother," and not be a dick about it.

rainbow kirby · 08-03-2014 02:09PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

I'd be like, "Ah yeah, no bother," and not be a dick about it.

If you aren't religious, it's just a normal Friday that leads to a bank holiday weekend. What do a lot of people do on a Friday? Have a few drinks. Why should a law based on somebody else's religious practice change that?

I Heart Internet · 08-03-2014 02:11PM

Eutow wrote: »

If they are state schools then the schools should be secular, no religion should dominate.

They are not State Schools, of course, they are private schools that receive state support.

Fred Swanson · 08-03-2014 02:14PM

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Uriel. · 08-03-2014 02:17PM

I had colcannon on Wednesday and I liked it

Ace2007 · 08-03-2014 02:18PM

rainbow kirby wrote: »

If you aren't religious, it's just a normal Friday that leads to a bank holiday weekend. What do a lot of people do on a Friday? Have a few drinks. Why should a law based on somebody else's religious practice change that?

If it's just a normal Friday, business' shouldn't be closing, I've never had to work on a good Friday, so it mustn't be a normal day,

Just like xmas, should business' be open on xmas day, imagine your local bank telling employees they had to work on normal wage.

I Heart Internet · 08-03-2014 02:19PM

Knight who says Meh wrote: »

But does the teaching of a supernatural belief be within an education system in the first place?
Isnt that what Church and family are for?

Catholic schools are part of their catholic communities, an extension of and natural partner of family and physical church. I'm afraid this is what many fail to grasp.

I Heart Internet · 08-03-2014 02:22PM

rainbow kirby wrote: »

If you aren't religious, it's just a normal Friday that leads to a bank holiday weekend. What do a lot of people do on a Friday? Have a few drinks. Why should a law based on somebody else's religious practice change that?

I have no skin in he game either way about pubs opening on good Friday. Doesn't bother me.

My point is that, told I can't buy a drink in a restaurant or wherever, I wouldn't let it ruin my day.

Uriel. · 08-03-2014 02:23PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

If it's just a normal Friday, business' shouldn't be closing, I've never had to work on a good Friday, so it mustn't be a normal day,

Just like xmas, should business' be open on xmas day, imagine your local bank telling employees they had to work on normal wage.

If we wish to continue to celebrate/recognise good Friday as we do, then I believe we should continue to prohibit the sale of alcohol.

If we want to change that, then quite honestly I think we should reinstate it as a "normal" Friday, no bank holidayday off, but pperhaps entitle Catholics to take it as a day of annual leave if they wish to celebrate it.

Completely Separately, I like the fact that we have a couple of days a year were purchase of alcohol is prohibited. Leaving aside religion, it's a nice tradition, particularly in a country that has such a bad relationship with the stuff.

P_1 · 08-03-2014 02:24PM

rainbow kirby wrote: »

If you aren't religious, it's just a normal Friday that leads to a bank holiday weekend. What do a lot of people do on a Friday? Have a few drinks. Why should a law based on somebody else's religious practice change that?

Actually something I've already wondered about GF, is there anything preventing pubs from having a BYOB event on it?

I Heart Internet · 08-03-2014 02:27PM

P_1 wrote: »

Actually something I've already wondered about GF, is there anything preventing pubs from having a BYOB event on it?

From recollection, I think there are many ways around it - trains, boats, clubs, apart, obviously, from drinking your own drink.

Elmo · 08-03-2014 02:30PM

Anyway Ash Wednesday is a Fast Day, you can eat what you like, just not as much, fill up on Pancakes on Shrove Tuesday that should see you to the following Thursday, and have a nice piece of Cod on Friday if you want!

Did you have nice pancakes on Shrove Tuesday? Because I spit on Pancakes, but only on that Tuesday all the other days of they year I eat pancakes in protest for their only being one Pancake Day. :mad:

Will you eat meat tomorrow

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