Will you eat meat tomorrow

Cunny-Funt · 06-03-2014 12:00PM

Lapin wrote: »

Wrong.

Ridicule the beliefs by all means.

But ridiculing the person for their beliefs is just bullying.

Regardless of how idiotic and superstitious those beliefs may be.

People have the right to behave like sheep if they want but they shouldn't be targeted for that.

I don't agree and its not bullying.

There is a balance, I'm all for tolerance but allowing the masses to believe completely insane randomly invented stuff without ever attempting to rationalize or dissect these beliefs is detrimental to human progress and humanity as a whole.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 06-03-2014 12:05PM

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

I don't agree and its not bullying.

There is a balance, I'm all for tolerance but allowing the masses to believe completely insane randomly invented stuff without ever attempting to rationalize or dissect these beliefs is detrimental to human progress and humanity as a whole.

In your opinion. Other people are entitled to their's without being rudely attacked for it.

Cunny-Funt · 06-03-2014 12:13PM

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

It jumped out because it was such a ridiculous statement.

everyone that follows this bizarre religious rule will still randomly break loads of other rules. These people are not going to mass every sunday or waiting till they are married to have sex and are using condoms.

Talk about making assumptions. If you had said 'some of those that follow this religious rule....'. But of course that would have been a balanced and justifiable statement!

Some? Are you serious? Your living in our only reality here if this is your thinking.

There are always exceptions but to find someone that doesn't eat meat (including fish) yesterday and also follows every other religious rule in kind would be an extremely hard task.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 06-03-2014 12:17PM

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

Some? Are you serious? Your living in our only reality here if this is your thinking.

There are always exceptions but to find someone that doesn't eat meat (including fish) yesterday and also follows every other religious rule in kind would be an extremely hard task.

You are saying that all of the people who abstained from eating meat yesterday are hypocrites who regularly miss Mass, use contraception and had sex before marriage. Seriously??

Renegade Mechanic · 06-03-2014 12:17PM

Akrasia wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/parishioners-scorched-on-forehead-by-holy-ashes-on-ash-wednesday-30068597.html

A load of mass goers had their foreheads chemically burned by the ash wednesday ritual yesterday in Cork

Nobody thought it was a miracle or a sign from god, they quickly washed off the ash and it is now being sent for analysis at a Lab to find out what was causing the pain

Praise Science.

Imagine if that happened in 60s-70s Ireland!?:eek:

06-03-2014 12:18PM

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

FISH IS MEAT YOU UTTER UTTER.... Ree.....bizarre people....

Fish isn't meat, so it's you that is the bizzare person in thinking that it is.

jimgoose · 06-03-2014 12:21PM

Jeremias Tender Cheese wrote: »

Fish isn't meat, so it's you that is the bizzare person in thinking that it is.

Well what is it then, MDF?? :pac:

P_1 · 06-03-2014 12:22PM

green_screen wrote: »

People should be free to believe what they want, without fear of ridicule.

True to a degree I suppose. When people try to force their beliefs on others though IMO they deserve a lot more than ridicule.

I Heart Internet · 06-03-2014 12:24PM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Just feeding my 12 month old some meat for his dinner

Is he committing a sin???

For many reasons, no.

But primarily becasue those under a certain age, over a certain age or those who happen to be sick are under no obligation at all to fast and abstain - and I use "obligation" only in the sense that those who want to adhere to RCC teaching....no one is under any obligation as such.

I Heart Internet · 06-03-2014 12:27PM

Ninap wrote: »

Except i) Catholicism is not a 'take what you want' kind of religion: you either follow all the rules, or you're not actually a Catholic,

That's not true. It's incredibly difficult to get "thrown-out" of the RCC and be considered "not actually a catholic". Just try it! You can be a "bad Catholic" but you're still a catholic.

06-03-2014 12:28PM

jimgoose wrote: »

Well what is it then, MDF?? :pac:

It's fish, a thing in itself!

A lot of Vegetarians eat fish for instance as it's not meat (can't believe I used vegetarians to help me prove a point).

Cunny-Funt · 06-03-2014 12:29PM

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

In your opinion. Other people are entitled to their's without being rudely attacked for it.

lol my opinion? Sigh we should all just go back to believing the world is flat and is the center of the universe and dinosaur bones were put on this earth by the devil to test humanity and bla bla bla and no one can question this because its MY opinion and and I should never have these beliefs questioned and should never have them opened up to intelligent debate or backed up by rationality and I can freely teach my kids this who'll teach theirs and teach theirs and so on and so forth and humanity will progress as a result etc etc etc.

I'm sorry but no. Theres a reason kids eventually find out Santy isnt real. And its more than just an OPINION that its unhealthy for people in their 40's to believe in Santy.

jimgoose · 06-03-2014 12:30PM

Jeremias Tender Cheese wrote: »

It's fish, a thing in itself!

A lot of Vegetarians eat fish for instance as it's not meat (can't believe I used vegetarians to help me prove a point).

The Elephant is a bonny bird,
She flits from bough to bough.
She makes her nest in the Rhubarb Tree,
And whistles like a cow!

jimgoose · 06-03-2014 12:31PM

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

...Theres a reason kids eventually find out Santy isnt real. And its more than just an OPINION that its unhealthy for people in their 40's to believe in Santy.

Hate to cut across you there chief, but Santy is very real, and he's me! I believe in myself. :cool:

thomas anderson. · 06-03-2014 12:32PM

My girlfriend ate some meat

I Heart Internet · 06-03-2014 12:34PM

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

HA! :rolleyes:

If it was somehow possible to sit down every single person who followed this religious rule in Ireland. Do you really think it would be hard to catch them out of skipping or ignoring a whole rake of other religious rules?

I'm amused that out of all the things in my post, this is the point you have a problem with and try to argue against.

I mean... come on now.

So your point is that these rule-breakers are bad people and need to be judged by you?

Cunny-Funt · 06-03-2014 12:36PM

nox001 wrote: »

Fish isn't meat, so it's you that is the bizzare person in thinking that it is.

Of course it is. Look it up. When people say they are eating fish, they are really eating the MEAT of the fish.

nox001 wrote: »

It's fish, a thing in itself!

A lot of Vegetarians eat fish for instance as it's not meat (can't believe I used vegetarians to help me prove a point).

No, a lot of idiots who incorrectly call themselves vegetarians ignorantly eat fish.

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

You are saying that all of the people who abstained from eating meat yesterday are hypocrites who regularly miss Mass, use contraception and had sex before marriage. Seriously??

Yes I'm saying the extreme vast majority without a doubt.

I Heart Internet wrote: »

So your point is that these rule-breakers are bad people and need to be judged by you?

No, not at all just how irrational, illogical and preposterous the entire thing is, is all.

I Heart Internet · 06-03-2014 12:43PM

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

No, not at all just how irrational, illogical and preposterous the entire thing is, is all.

In your judgement...

To those doing it, it may seem like the most logical thing in the world.

Fred Swanson · 06-03-2014 12:43PM

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I Heart Internet · 06-03-2014 12:44PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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If this is true, I suspect you asked to leave and weren't thrown out, as you suggest. Was that the case?

Like I say - very difficult to be thrown out of the RCC, in that sense, it's a very forgiving church.

Dara O'Brian has a bit about it....from 0:40 on here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdolFXcNAH4

P_1 · 06-03-2014 12:45PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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countmeout.ie before they changed the rules to a more Hotel California style I presume?

Cunny-Funt · 06-03-2014 12:45PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

In your judgement...

To those doing it, it may seem like the most logical thing in the world.

No not in my judgement, in reality.

The rationality and logic of it cannot be argued.

I Heart Internet · 06-03-2014 12:47PM

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

No not in my judgement, in reality.

The rationality and logic of it cannot be argued.

Yes it can. We're arguing it right now. You're factually incorrect!

BBDBB · 06-03-2014 12:49PM

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

No not in my judgement, in reality.

The rationality and logic of it cannot be argued.

Yes it can, people have been doing so for centuries, each convinced only they hold the truth and they are quite wrong about that but will they listen when you tell em?? meh, eejits

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 06-03-2014 12:57PM

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

Of course it is. Look it up. When people say they are eating fish, they are really eating the MEAT of the fish.

No, a lot of idiots who incorrectly call themselves vegetarians ignorantly eat fish.

Yes I'm saying the extreme vast majority without a doubt.

No, not at all just how irrational, illogical and preposterous the entire thing is, is all.

Well you seem just as entrenched in something you have no proof of as you are accusing those with religious beliefs of being. You obviously just refuse to believe that there are people whose religious convictions are so strong and deep that they are quietly and peacefully following them without shouting from the rooftops about it. I suspect they're a lot calmer and more content than some of the angry and belligerent people who refuse to tolerate the fact that some people have a deep spiritual belief that is central to their lives.

To each their own.:)

Cunny-Funt · 06-03-2014 12:59PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Yes it can. We're arguing it right now. You're factually incorrect!

Not at all, its simply impossible to argue that its logical.

Your confusing rationality and logic with right and wrong.

Religious debaters will almost always prefix their argument with the statement saying they know that faith without proof is illogical and would never waste time debating that their faith is logical, they'll move on from that to the actual debate cause it'd be a waste of time.

Logic isnt a matter of opinion.

This thread is about people arguing over should peoples beliefs be criticized etc. NOT over the logic of it all. That would be like arguing if this grass is green or blue.

eyescreamcone · 06-03-2014 01:02PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

For many reasons, no.

But primarily becasue those under a certain age, over a certain age or those who happen to be sick are under no obligation at all to fast and abstain - and I use "obligation" only in the sense that those who want to adhere to RCC teaching....no one is under any obligation as such.

...but the RCC have no problem saddling newborns with original sin.

Also, if meat is not kosher on Ash Wednesday - are those who go to communion on that day eating the body and blood of mr. Jesus Christ or not??
Make up your mind you can't have it both ways!!!

BBDBB · 06-03-2014 01:02PM

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

Not at all, its simply impossible to argue that its logical.

Your confusing rationality and logic with right and wrong.

Religious debaters will almost always prefix their argument with the statement saying they know that faith without proof is illogical and would never waste time debating that their faith is logical, they'll move on from that to the actual debate cause it'd be a waste of time.

Logic isnt a matter of opinion.

This thread is about people arguing over should peoples beliefs be criticized etc. NOT over the logic of it all. That would be like arguing if this grass is green or blue.

so it is a constant, unchanging and without an alternative? ie there is only one conclusion possible???

come on, think about what you are saying here. Opinions on what constitutes logical thought AND logical conclusion is much more varied and all the better for it

Akrasia · 06-03-2014 01:03PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

In your judgement...

To those doing it, it may seem like the most logical thing in the world.

I absolutely hate this idea that 'everybody is entitled to their opinion, therefore all opinions are equally valid"

If there are vegetarians out there who think it is logical that they can eat fish, I would love to hear their reasons for this. if they can not put forward a rational defence for this position, then they should accept that they are acting irrationally.

This isn't always a bad thing, we all act irrationally all of the time. But we should at least recognise when we are acting this way so that we don't fall into the trap of being vocal hypocrites.

I Heart Internet · 06-03-2014 01:04PM

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

Not at all, its simply impossible to argue that its logical.

Your confusing rationality and logic with right and wrong.

No. I'm not.

You're falling into the trap of assuming that because abstaining from meat gives you no utility (to use an economic term) and that it is therefore illogical for you to do it, that abstaining from meat gives Mr Murphy no utility and that it would, likewise, be illogical for him to do it. Not realising that people are different and they derive ulitity (benefit, usefullness, pleasure, advantage) out of different things.

Will you eat meat tomorrow

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