Carlton Kirby

Maybe it will be Quigley and King Kelly for the Giro on Eurosport.......I can live with that (prefer Kirby/Kelly) but it could be an all Irish cast

TheBlaaMan wrote: »

Sorry if you think I'm being a pendant..............but Hatch is right in his pronunciation and it says more about his detractors than about him if you have an issue. If he is fluent and familiar with correct Spanish/Italian/French pronunciation, he cannot but pronounce things correctly.

When you think about it properly, do you actually do anything else yourself? Do you not balk at a Brit calling it Drock-eeda, instead of Drogheda, or an American saying Oma-hony and not O'Mahoney?

Likewise, the mountains in Northern India are the Hi-mall-yas if you pronounce it as an person from India would, not the Him-a-lay-az, as we would say. OK, so you're not going to hear it said correctly too often in these parts, but should you really criticise Hatch for being right.......?

I'm all for correct pronounciation :P

Firstly I said I objected to his over pronunication of names in a psuedo accent

I do not for instance while speaking in English say Paris in a French accent dropping the S ( as a French speaker would say it even though I speak French) nor do I put on a German accent to say Munich ...Hatch does this for Scarponi to mention just one There are many instances on TV now of presenters saying for example Mumbai in an Indian accent while saying Rome in an English accent ?

There is a difference between correct pronunciation and changing the language

Secondly Hatch is not a native of Italy so making that comparison with the person from India who pronounces Hi-mall-yas is not a valid comparison

Thirdly it says more for you that you cannot take on board that this is an opinion on a commentator who is paid to speak on TV and does not need the condescension "it says more for his detractors" or "do you actually do anything else yourself" I am not paid to speak on TV so how I pronounce words is neither here nor there

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

To be clear - are people suggesting that even though Hatch knows what the correct pronunciation of Italian names is, he should deliberately mispronounce them?

No !
Say Mitchelle Scarponi correctly (and other names) without in the middle of speaking English put on an Italian accent and say
M-I-T-C-H-E-L-L-E S-C-A-R-P-ON-I over emphasizing every syllable in a loud voice , while returning to a normal English voice for the rest of the sentence
Why ????

It like turning into michael o muircheartaigh every time you say an Irish word in the middle of speaking English

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

So the correct way to say "Scarponi" in English is not to say it how an Italian would?

Does this apply to all languages? Should English commentators also deliberately mispronounce Irish words?

I haven't said anything about advocating the mispronunciation of a language

If for instance I am describing a holiday in France I don't in the middle of speaking in English put on a French accent, a loud voice and an over the top French persona when saying a French place name like say Bagnères-de-Luchon

This is what Hatch does and it is very annoying ........I personally think he is showing off and it has nothing to do with correct pronunciation
However I think I have done this point to death

Still loving Carlton Kirby

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

In fairness, you pretty much have. You're attempting to avoid actually saying as much by creating artificial distinction between pronouncing something correctly and pronouncing it in a "French accent".

Mispronouncing foreign words is no big deal. Most commentators do it and few people really care. But it does make me a bit sad that people are still judged as "showing off" unless they make an effort to dumb down what they say.

WELL in fairness I should know the point I am making and it is not about pronunciation per se ....and this being a opinion forum you can be sad all you like with what I see as a valid point.

However you strike me as the kind of person with superior insight into other views who can make a point without be patronizing ...so maybe I should just agree with you

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Dumbing down , dumbing down ????? :eek:
Who are you people ....Mary Whitehouse and her friends ??

One last time
It is not about how he pronounces the word/name etc ...I don't care (unlike you Mary Whitehouse people) if he is correct or not

What get on my t**ts is the pseudo personna and accent and the over stressing of ever syllabus as if to say ....look how great am I at pronouncing this name

M-I-T-C-H-E-L-L-E S-C-A-R-P-O-N-I

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

The reverse snobbery of sneering at someone for making an effort is as distasteful as the snobbery of judging them for not being able to pronounce foreign names.

This is an opinion forum where people pass judgement on all commentators, cyclists, etc all the time including on what we like and don't like about them
You are not slow to pass judgement on Carlton Kirby including comparing him to a figure of fun - Alan Patridge

But someone expressing an opinion on a commentators performance on air and you call it snobbery and sneering......( like you are not sneering at Carlton Kirby) and everyone else isn't at some stage on this forum

But if you can't argue a point without name calling and insults then .....

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Correct. And you're perfectly entitled to say you find my opinion that Kirby doesn't know much about cycling distasteful. I won't be offended. Honest.

Ha ha

Well I don't actually find it offensive to be honest ......kinda spot on