LOI 2014 Thread

CHealy · 05-03-2014 12:09PM

Dave O'Leary has signed for City from Limerick. Great coup for us.

anncoates · 05-03-2014 01:37PM

AgileMyth wrote: »

When you go away to the Champions, the big-spending heavy favorites, .

Sligo always have to get a jibe in about the large budgets of rivals as if they themselves have assembled their squad on a budget on par with Bray or Bohs.

That_Guy · 05-03-2014 02:34PM

CHealy wrote: »

Dave O'Leary has signed for City from Limerick. Great coup for us.

srfc19 · 05-03-2014 02:38PM

anncoates wrote: »

Sligo always have to get a jibe in about the large budgets of rivals as if they themselves have assembled their squad on a budget on par with Bray or Bohs.

I think the jibes are more because we got to a level where we can spend through the hard work and support of a community, and a good Managment Committee.

Rather than being gifted a stadium or having a sugar daddy.

djpbarry · 05-03-2014 03:02PM

srfc19 wrote: »

I think the jibes are more because we got to a level where we can spend through the hard work and support of a community, and a good Managment Committee.

Rather than being gifted a stadium or having a sugar daddy.

Ahem.

srfc19 · 05-03-2014 03:10PM

Not quite the same thing. A grant to develop training facilities which can't be used for wages. A grant similar to the Mayo and Meath leagues.

Not quite the same as getting a stadium with the potential to earn €100,000 Euros every 2 weeks.

hugo29 · 05-03-2014 03:12PM

djpbarry wrote: »

Ahem.

true but thats a sports investment grant allocated to the upgrade of facilities in the ground which will also be used by the wider community

i thought we were discussing budgets for player transfers and wages

anncoates · 05-03-2014 03:20PM

Wasn't making a point about the capital grants or anything else. Just that I doubt there's that much in real terms between the overall squad budgets of Rovers, Sligo and Pats this season and the constant preferences to free-wheeling spending are amusing.

I would have guessed Pats are probably highest now as we've trimmed ours and I've read somewhere else that Sligo have also cut back.

srfc19 · 05-03-2014 03:22PM

anncoates wrote: »

Wasn't making a point about the capital grants or anything else. Just that I doubt there's that much between the overall squad budgets of Rovers, Sligo and Pats this season and the constant poor mouth references to free-wheeling spending are amusing. I would guessed Pats are probably highest now as we've trimmed ours and I've read somewhere else that Sligo have also cu back.

Fahey, Quigs and Chambers alone would probably cover the Shams budget for the season.

Although they have signed 16 centre halves that would be shocking in the North Tipperary U-14 C Division so maybe they're saving a few quid there.

kksaints · 05-03-2014 03:31PM

srfc19 wrote: »

Fahey, Quigs and Chambers alone would probably cover the Shams budget for the season.

Although they have signed 16 centre halves that would be shocking in the North Tipperary U-14 C Division so maybe they're saving a few quid there.

McPhail, Kenna and Zayed are hardly cheap I'd say. Also Sheppard, Finn and McGuiness are hardly playing for nothing.

Shams would still have the highest budget I'd say especially if you include the costs for the B team aswell. We would be around 2nd or 3rd highest with Dundalk.

djpbarry · 05-03-2014 03:40PM

srfc19 wrote: »

Fahey, Quigs and Chambers alone would probably cover the Shams budget for the season.

Ignoring for a moment that that’s obviously bollocks, there’s no way Quigley and Chambers would be in a position to demand as much as a recent international after the season they had last year.

uch · 05-03-2014 04:17PM

srfc19 wrote: »

Not quite the same thing. A grant to develop training facilities which can't be used for wages. A grant similar to the Mayo and Meath leagues.

Not quite the same as getting a stadium with the potential to earn €100,000 Euros every 2 weeks.

If you are talking about Tallaght Stadium, you should really try to understand that the only one's with the potential to earn €100,000 every 2 weeks from it is South Dublin Council, as they own it, Rovers are merely rent paying tennants.

uch · 05-03-2014 04:20PM

srfc19 wrote: »

Fahey, Quigs and Chambers alone would probably cover the Shams budget for the season.

Although they have signed 16 centre halves that would be shocking in the North Tipperary U-14 C Division so maybe they're saving a few quid there.

Ah now you're just talking through yer hole

srfc19 · 05-03-2014 04:24PM

uch wrote: »

If you are talking about Tallaght Stadium, you should really try to understand that the only one's with the potential to earn €100,000 every 2 weeks from it is South Dublin Council, as they own it, Rovers are merely rent paying tennants.

Are Shams not paying a fixed rent, and then able to keep the gate receipts?

Surely, that's how it works? In that case if they could fill it they would take close to €100,000.

hugo29 · 05-03-2014 04:25PM

uch wrote: »

If you are talking about Tallaght Stadium, you should really try to understand that the only one's with the potential to earn €100,000 every 2 weeks from it is South Dublin Council, as they own it, Rovers are merely rent paying tennants.

as a matter of interest, i wonder is the rent fixed or a percentage of the gate,

id say shams have a few bob out of the home gate also plus the rent could be written off against tax

on the topic of budgets id say there isnt a lot between shams, pats, dundalk and sligo with possibly sligo the lowest

anncoates · 05-03-2014 04:37PM

hugo29 wrote: »

as a matter of interest, i wonder is the rent fixed or a percentage of the gate,

id say shams have a few bob out of the home gate also plus the rent could be written off against tax

on the topic of budgets id say there isnt a lot between shams, pats, dundalk and sligo with possibly sligo the lowest

Fixed, lease.

That's the original point that I'd assume the budgets are broadly similar although less affordable for some when factored against income.

Wasn't counting the B Team but the cost for that wouldn't be that different to paying a player like Fahey seeing as the B Team play out of Tallaght anyway and you'll have some residual income from stuff like home and away support at the actual games.

kksaints · 05-03-2014 04:40PM

anncoates wrote: »

Fixed, lease.

That's the original point that I'd assume the budgets are broadly similar although less affordable for some when factored against income.

Wasn't counting the B Team but the cost for that wouldn't be that different to paying a player like Fahey seeing as the B Team play out of Tallaght anyway and you'll have some residual income from stuff like home and away support at the actual games.

Would it be enough to cover the extra match day expenses, physio expenses, player expenses and transport expenses? I doubt it to be honest.

anncoates · 05-03-2014 04:44PM

kksaints wrote: »

Would it be enough to cover the extra match day expenses, physio expenses, player expenses and transport expenses? I doubt it to be honest.

Didn't say it wasn't an additional expense, just not as large as you would think. The senior squad is about 4 players less than last year too, IIRC well as some cheaper replacements for departed players.

kksaints · 05-03-2014 04:49PM

anncoates wrote: »

Didn't say it wasn't an additional expense, just not as large as you would think. The senior squad is about 4 players less than last year too, IIRC well as some cheaper replacements for departed players.

Actually will Shamrock Rovers have to be extra rent for the B team matches? Also I find it interesting that you mention Fahey wages surely McPhails wages would be on a par with Fahey's.

anncoates · 05-03-2014 04:55PM

kksaints wrote: »

Also I find it interesting that you mention Fahey wages surely McPhails wages would be on a par with Fahey's.

Dunno what Fahey is on but he's younger and a more recent international although I think people are underestimating what McPhail will bring to the league.

dreamers75 · 05-03-2014 05:10PM

Are Pats paying Faheys wages ? or is Niall Quinn?

Gavin "shels" · 05-03-2014 05:14PM

anncoates wrote: »

Fixed, lease.

That's the original point that I'd assume the budgets are broadly similar although less affordable for some when factored against income.

Wasn't counting the B Team but the cost for that wouldn't be that different to paying a player like Fahey seeing as the B Team play out of Tallaght anyway and you'll have some residual income from stuff like home and away support at the actual games.

Fixed lease of a six-figure sum a year.

Minimum wage for the "B" team is €150 a head according to one of the players, so it would rack up enough.

dreamers75 wrote: »

Are Pats paying Faheys wages ? or is Niall Quinn?

NAMA maybe no? Liam Buckleys famous "backers"?

djpbarry · 05-03-2014 05:48PM

anncoates wrote: »

Wasn't counting the B Team but the cost for that wouldn't be that different to paying a player like Fahey seeing as the B Team play out of Tallaght anyway and you'll have some residual income from stuff like home and away support at the actual games.

You think Fahey is costing Pats the equivalent of a First Division squad?

anncoates · 05-03-2014 06:09PM

djpbarry wrote: »

You think Fahey is costing Pats the equivalent of a First Division squad?

Depends on what Fahey is costing.

Bear in mind we were talking about wage budgets. There's 9 players in our B squad IIRC. The rest come from the senior (3 players and one goalie allowed) and U19 squad.

overshoot · 05-03-2014 07:01PM

anncoates wrote: »

Depends on what Fahey is costing.

Bear in mind we were talking about wage budgets. There's 9 players in our B squad IIRC. The rest come from the senior (3 players and one goalie allowed) and U19 squad.

but you still have to pay the league entry fee, officials, travel costs and so on. its supposed to be c100k to field an amateur D1 side + 50K for your 9 150e a week min B players (if true), so thats near 150k

another way thats 1/10 of sligo rovers entire operating budget last season.... i dont think pats would pay that to one player

edit, just seen you limit it to wage budgets... possible. Harps entire operating budget last year was 250K and that put us 3rd/4th in that order

dreamers75 · 05-03-2014 07:20PM

Gavin shels wrote: »

NAMA maybe no? Liam Buckleys famous "backers"?

lol

Fahey rumoured to be on 1200 a week, Kelleher helped the FAI save a few quid so we got coupons for 10 red cards and 5 dodgy penos.

legendary.xix · 05-03-2014 09:50PM

Good few ex-LoI players in tonight's game against Serbia.

miroslavklose · 06-03-2014 01:09AM

srfc19 wrote: »

Not quite the same thing. A grant to develop training facilities which can't be used for wages. A grant similar to the Mayo and Meath leagues.

Not quite the same as getting a stadium with the potential to earn €100,000 Euros every 2 weeks.

Rovers are paying rent on the stadium like any other tenants. I don't know how much it is because it's not public information, but there's no reason to think it's anything other than the best offer SDCC could extract. Leinster Rugby pay for the RDS and get no matchday income other than ticket sales and I'd imagine it's the same for Rovers. SDCC have seen fit to dictate when Rovers can play there and they book plenty of non-Rovers events for the stadium so they are completely in control.

miroslavklose · 06-03-2014 01:11AM

legendary.xix wrote: »

Good few ex-LoI players in tonight's game against Serbia.

6/11 of the starting line-up and 3/5 subs, with 12 in total in the matchday squad. 9/16 players who took the field have played LOI football.

dreamers75 · 06-03-2014 01:19AM

miroslavklose wrote: »

Rovers are paying rent on the stadium like any other tenants. I don't know how much it is because it's not public information, but there's no reason to think it's anything other than the best offer SDCC could extract. Leinster Rugby pay for the RDS and get no matchday income other than ticket sales and I'd imagine it's the same for Rovers. SDCC have seen fit to dictate when Rovers can play there and they book plenty of non-Rovers events for the stadium so they are completely in control.

15k for Pats to use it for Europe (includes security)

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