Will you eat meat tomorrow

Akrasia · 05-03-2014 03:31PM

candy-gal1 wrote: »

I didnt even know you werent supposed to eat meat on Ash (pokemon catcher :P) wedendays, as a pagan it doesnt really affect me anyway but still I like to make the most of it - big steak etc - same as Good Friday traditions Ive had the past 7years - having at least one drink

yep. Ash (evil robot from Alien) Wednesday is supposed to be a fast day

Akrasia · 05-03-2014 03:42PM

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

'This St Patrick guy' was an actual person born around the 5th century and who left a body of written work behind him. He is not a fictional figure.

He wrote two letters in latin. Most of the stories about St Patrick were probably made up and the folklore about St patrick is no less fictional than the folklore surrounding St Nicholas and St Bridget and all the other old saints who were basically medieval superheroes

Akrasia · 05-03-2014 03:46PM

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

I think the Catholic Church stated that by meat they meant animals that live on the land but not that live in the Sea. Not sure of the theological reason behind that, but that's what a practising Catholic is obliged to adhere to on Ash Wednesday.

Someone get these christians a manatee burger!

I Heart Internet · 05-03-2014 03:47PM

Akrasia wrote: »

He wrote two letters in latin. Most of the stories about St Patrick were probably made up and the folklore about St patrick is no less fictional than the folklore surrounding St Nicholas and St Bridget and all the other old saints who were basically medieval superheroes

But Patrick did definetly exist. You said he didn't earlier.

Centuries and human politics have a way of adding legs to stories. There is plenty of myth around Patrick, but he did exist, did write his autobiography and did preach Christianity around Ireland. He existed so much, in fact, that his disputes with British bishops are well recorded and the subject of historical inquiry.

papu · 05-03-2014 03:47PM

Yes , lots

Akrasia · 05-03-2014 03:50PM

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

I'm sure there are some that do who would dispute it with you.
What's that got to do with the fact that a man called Patrick existed, who came to Ireland as a slave, came back as a priest and converted many people to Catholicism and was, therefore, a real person who was later chosen as the patron Saint of Ireland?

You 'believe' he was a slave. He may actually have been a slave trader
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/slave-trader-or-saint-doubt-over-patricks-origins-26833102.html

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-03-2014 03:51PM

Akrasia wrote: »

He wrote two letters in latin. Most of the stories about St Patrick were probably made up and the folklore about St patrick is no less fictional than the folklore surrounding St Nicholas and St Bridget and all the other old saints who were basically medieval superheroes

There may have been some stories created around St Patrick, but you (or some poster) stated that he didn't actually exist and was a complete fiction. That is not true. He did exist, he wrote at least two pieces of work which can definitely be ascribed to him (plus others that haven't yet been proved to have been his writings) and he was a key figure in bringing Christianity to Ireland.

jimgoose · 05-03-2014 03:51PM

Akrasia wrote: »

yep. Ash (evil robot from Alien) Wednesday is supposed to be a fast day

So I heard. There I was this morning with my full leathers on and the Thunderace warming up in the driveway when Mrs. Goose arrives out, "What the furk are you doing??" "It's a 'fast' day!", says I, "I'm off to Kinsale. Wahoo!!". "Not that kind of fast, you buck-ape. Now go to work!". Awww!!!

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-03-2014 03:57PM

Akrasia wrote: »

You 'believe' he was a slave. He may actually have been a slave trader
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/slave-trader-or-saint-doubt-over-patricks-origins-26833102.html

He still existed whether he came here as a slave or to escape being forced into being a tax collector (as bad as being a slave trader in the early centuries).

I Heart Internet · 05-03-2014 03:58PM

jimgoose wrote: »

So I heard. There I was this morning with my full leathers on and the Thunderace warming up in the driveway when Mrs. Goose arrives out, "What the furk are you doing??" "It's a 'fast' day!", says I, "I'm off to Kinsale. Wahoo!!". "Not that kind of fast, you buck-ape. Now go to work!". Awww!!!

I no get it

DyldeBrill · 05-03-2014 03:59PM

Was eating a big chicken fillet roll, until I saw this. Completely forgot. Not that I'm religous, its just the fact that its always been routine to eat fish and what not. ah well *Continues to inhale roll*

jimgoose · 05-03-2014 04:01PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

I no get it

This is a Thunderace:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Yzf1000r_red.jpg

Akrasia · 05-03-2014 04:04PM

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

No problem with people saying Yes, I'm eating meat. I don't really adhere to that rule/don't practise my religion anymore or whatever.

It's the people making silly 'oh yes, I'm going to be chomping into a big juicy plate of meat tomorrow and no priest is going to stop me'.. type posts that are childish and laced with a 'look how bold and disobedient I am' undertone. I presume people are allowed comment on that if they find it silly or sneery towards people with a religious belief?

It's not silly, it's a celebration that Ireland has finally crawled (mostly) out from underneath the thumb of the RC church.

Greenmachine · 05-03-2014 04:05PM

Is it today we are not supposed to eat meat. As it it happens, I will eat fish today, not paid till Thursday. Fish and potatoes are about all I have left till I go shopping.

eyescreamcone · 05-03-2014 04:08PM

jimgoose wrote: »

This is a Thunderace:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Yzf1000r_red.jpg

...And it doesn't get more ungodly than that!!!

Fly jimgoose!!!

See you in the Bullman

jimgoose · 05-03-2014 04:10PM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

...And it doesn't get more ungodly than that!!!

Fly jimgoose!!!

See you in the Bullman

The chowder there is mighty fine. Keep 'er lit, hi! :cool:

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-03-2014 04:17PM

Akrasia wrote: »

It's not silly, it's a celebration that Ireland has finally crawled (mostly) out from underneath the thumb of the RC church.

It's a silly way of saying you don't practise your religion. "Woo hoo, look at me with my t-bone steak on Ash Wednesday". Why not just say 'no I don't follow a Catholic faith anymore and won't be abstaining on Ash Wednesday'. You know, like a grown up would.

I Heart Internet · 05-03-2014 04:19PM

Akrasia wrote: »

It's not silly, it's a celebration that Ireland has finally crawled (mostly) out from underneath the thumb of the RC church.

No it's not. If the RCC had no relevance in people's lives they'd just get on with things. Patting oneself on the back for "sticking it to them" is the mark of someone who has not quite matured. Bit like a child blatently repeating something they've been told not to do, just to show their parent that "they can't control" them.

Akrasia · 05-03-2014 04:19PM

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

He still existed whether he came here as a slave or to escape being forced into being a tax collector (as bad as being a slave trader in the early centuries).

Ok, A man named St patrick probably existed. But so what if none of the rest of the story is true?

A man named Fionn mac Cumhaill might have existed but he wasn't a giant and so the story of Fionn mac Cumhaill is fictional.

I Heart Internet · 05-03-2014 04:24PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Ok, A man named St patrick probably existed. But so what if none of the rest of the story is true?

No. A man named Patrick (Patricius) DEFINETLY DID EXIST. That is a fact. He wrote down his life, which may or may not have included convenient embellishments to make him seem like a great guy altogether. His autobiography (his "Confession") should be seen in the light of the fact that he was essentially defending himself against British bishops who he didn't get on with.

...but he defiently existed. No probably about it.

Akrasia wrote: »

A man named Fionn mac Cumhaill might have existed but he wasn't a giant and so the story of Fionn mac Cumhaill is fictional.

Might might be stretching it. There is a fundamental difference between a real man who existed within recorded history - wrote and was written about - and a character (Fionn) who was written about in the distant past tense by those who first wrote of him.

Fundamentally different!

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-03-2014 04:26PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Ok, A man named St patrick probably existed. But so what if none of the rest of the story is true?

A man named Fionn mac Cumhaill might have existed but he wasn't a giant and so the story of Fionn mac Cumhaill is fictional.

The essence of the story is that he was instrumental in bringing christianity to Ireland and that is true. I don't think most Catholics care whether or not he banished snakes etc.

Akrasia · 05-03-2014 04:26PM

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

It's a silly way of saying you don't practise your religion. "Woo hoo, look at me with my t-bone steak on Ash Wednesday". Why not just say 'no I don't follow a Catholic faith anymore and won't be abstaining on Ash Wednesday'. You know, like a grown up would.

Because a few generations ago you would not have had the option to not display the ash or observe the fast

I can imagine a time when Muslim women will be able to make the same kinds of jokes about not wearing a Burkha.

The fact that we can joke about these things now is a celebration that the RC church is mostly dead and buried in ireland. People have short memories about just how repressive Ireland was only a few short decades ago.

Contraceptives were still illegal until 1978 when they became available only on prescription. It wasn't until 1992 that sales of condoms were fully liberalised.

Homosexuality was only Decriminalised in 1993

Benny_Cake · 05-03-2014 04:29PM

I'd have though that if someone was to eat meat today simply to poke a finger in the eye of the Catholic Church, indirectly they are allowing that church to influence their behaviour and probably just need to move on.

I don't eat meat so every day is Ash Wednesday (assumes smug expression).

nxbyveromdwjpg · 05-03-2014 04:30PM

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

It's a silly way of saying you don't practise your religion. "Woo hoo, look at me with my t-bone steak on Ash Wednesday". Why not just say 'no I don't follow a Catholic faith anymore and won't be abstaining on Ash Wednesday'. You know, like a grown up would.

What's it like in that world? Sounds sh*te, real boring. I'd rather the steak.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-03-2014 04:34PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Because a few generations ago you would not have had the option to not display the ash or observe the fast

I can imagine a time when Muslim women will be able to make the same kinds of jokes about not wearing a Burkha.

The fact that we can joke about these things now is a celebration that the RC church is mostly dead and buried in ireland. People have short memories about just how repressive Ireland was only a few short decades ago.

Contraceptives were still illegal until 1978 when they became available only on prescription. It wasn't until 1992 that sales of condoms were fully liberalised.

Homosexuality was only Decriminalised in 1993

But you're joking about something than many people in Ireland still practise. Even if you don't want to practice your religion anymore, why speak in a sneery jeery tone about it when it is still an important part of many people's lives? I mean seriously, an adult posting that he's eating meat today and no paedo priest is going to stop him? Is that the sign of someone who's moved on? It sounds more like someone who's still mentally in a school playground.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-03-2014 04:34PM

nm wrote: »

What's it like in that world? Sounds sh*te, real boring. I'd rather the steak.

Jaysus. I rest my case.

Ghost Buster · 05-03-2014 04:39PM

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

But you're joking about something than many people in Ireland still practise. Even if you don't want to practice your religion anymore, why speak in a sneery jeery tone about it when it is still an important part of many people's lives? I mean seriously, an adult posting that he's eating meat today and no paedo priest is going to stop him? Is that the sign of someone who's moved on? It sounds more like someone who's still mentally in a school playground.

The OP is extremely childish but seriously. Look at Catholicism. Its based on a book from a primitive time with talking snakes, demons, possessed swine herds, magical pregnancy, people returning from the dead and believed by the majority for equally childish reasons that being that they have been immersed in it since childhood and havent gotten over it.
Doesnt matter if lots of people find it important. Its judged on its own merits and its just a bit daft.
Anyway. Im having a prawn and chorizo gumbo. Bugger all meat in that!

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 05-03-2014 04:40PM

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

The essence of the story is that he was instrumental in bringing christianity to Ireland and that is true. I don't think most Catholics care whether or not he banished snakes etc.

Very little is known regarding how much or how little he did in bringing Christianity along in Ireland.

Akrasia · 05-03-2014 04:41PM

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

But you're joking about something than many people in Ireland still practise. Even if you don't want to practice your religion anymore, why speak in a sneery jeery tone about it when it is still an important part of many people's lives? I mean seriously, an adult posting that he's eating meat today and no paedo priest is going to stop him? Is that the sign of someone who's moved on? It sounds more like someone who's still mentally in a school playground.

It's totally immature. But that's ok. This is after hours. We're allowed to be immature.

And poking fun at others who believe wearing a bit of ash on their forehead while not eating meat (that can't swim) is important is a human right

If you can't see the humour in how quaint and silly it all is, then that's your loss, not mine.

And I'm glad that we are allowed to see the humour in it. It's what makes us a free country.please don't charge me with blasphemy

kowloon · 05-03-2014 04:42PM

I'm told you can eat Capybara as they live mostly in water and it's only meat from land animals that's considered off the menu.
Personally, I think the whole thing is a conspiracy to prop up the fishing industry, How many disciples were fishermen? Coincidence? I think not.

As an aside, if more sushi gets eaten I'll consider the day a success.

Will you eat meat tomorrow

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