The Jobbridge Scandal

Xenji · 02-03-2014 04:43PM

zerks wrote: »

Another one: http://intern.jobbridge.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DCT72Gj8VEdUcZShujUH9GvH9Nog5mb0qv40i58D/5U8974VJek1iUy/D6qcdq9ZZu+phNkqnRFxgzpCH8QNVV6ZZI9k6PO56UjILFdfnRCHHmmvZv6hORx2jbSgKMdRdJLV4PKrD9A48kVaNRJV5hTWcAZx+vE7rGcIiwF3SvC2X3y6MfPiH1LkrT2vLe6vUxIKudu6zOzZqC1aeXlR7OY6ymbrqPWuZBF4/2VJNMaltgdizCESUJ3sQVpP+jw5C+nU1/klwy00kSCy3Mg7mVejUeAHL+EX3JQO5kjkMDbDeCsK9P8NPvoIaq4zH8c/ukEcTPhZkJrOG38CWrOWSrjRa55/6L7jJs7ggFdgK7Yen/mEVFh9c1M4F/s8N0OPJm9UcRww1tOVt3jWw6UOTUnT6q2OM38buYxQgLzJB/gbP/B9UqkZU8E=

Work as a General Operative on a building site."The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following health and safety operations, operating teleporters, diggers, dumpers, construction."

You need to have qualifications already to operate machinery on a site,that ad is wrong on so many levels.

You need a Safe Pass card first and foremost and then you need a valid ticket to work on any machinery, as you said so much wrong with that.

Cantona's Collars · 02-03-2014 04:55PM

Xenji wrote: »

You need a Safe Pass card first and foremost and then you need a valid ticket to work on any machinery, as you said so much wrong with that.

Exactly & these aren't cheap to obtain,I seriously doubt any employer is going to fork out that kind of money on an intern.As you say,a Safepass card is the bare minimum you need to set foot on a site,that costs an average of €95 for the course.
3 day course needed now for plant training.A one day course for those who have validated experience is roughly €380.

That ad is bollix.

weisses · 02-03-2014 04:57PM

The solution for cheap summer Jobs

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=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

02-03-2014 05:27PM

SOME Internships are good value in that they give valuable experience to newly qualified people. Unfortunately the vast majority of these JobBridge ones are worthless to the intern. In theory, they were a good idea, but are now being used by companies as a source of free labour. I would strongly agree with publiscising those guilty of such abuses. A strongly worded letter to both Joan Burton and my local FG TD, have yeet to be answered. I don't have much time, either for the posturing of the "Scambridge" group. Their leaders have not come up with any crediable solutions to the Countrys ills. They are just using the JobBridge schemes for their own ends and really don't care too much about those who take places on these internships.

weisses · 02-03-2014 05:29PM

double post

Smidge · 02-03-2014 05:35PM

weisses wrote: »

The solution for cheap summer Jobs

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=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

Applicants must have a desire and passion to work with food and coffee.

Loving that line in that ad.
I mean ffs, a desire and passion to work in a cafe!
Don't get me wrong, I am in no way knocking anyone who works in a cafe(I have done it myself)but working in a cafe is A JOB.

Sickening scheme

Guy:Incognito · 02-03-2014 05:52PM

zerks wrote: »

Exactly & these aren't cheap to obtain,I seriously doubt any employer is going to fork out that kind of money on an intern.As you say,a Safepass card is the bare minimum you need to set foot on a site,that costs an average of €95 for the course.
3 day course needed now for plant training.A one day course for those who have validated experience is roughly €380.

That ad is bollix.

Nice slave labour info gathering anonymous email too . generaloperativecv@eircom.net

darkpagandeath · 02-03-2014 06:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

SOME Internships are good value in that they give valuable experience to newly qualified people. Unfortunately the vast majority of these JobBridge ones are worthless to the intern. In theory, they were a good idea, but are now being used by companies as a source of free labour. I would strongly agree with publiscising those guilty of such abuses. A strongly worded letter to both Joan Burton and my local FG TD, have yeet to be answered. I don't have much time, either for the posturing of the "Scambridge" group. Their leaders have not come up with any crediable solutions to the Countrys ills. They are just using the JobBridge schemes for their own ends and really don't care too much about those who take places on these internships.

It's not about solutions though for most that hate jobbridge it's about closing these clear scam for free labor internships so they actually have to pay people for their work. Should close all the other made up internship programs too. And leave the ones that are actually designed for a newly qualified college grad to get a foot in the door experience. There should be a centralised site setup and employers should have to engage with that agency in relation to providing a position. Clear checks and balances used to make sure it’s actually providing experience for the relevant intern. That way an out of work I.T professional will not end up being forced to clean cars for €50 extra.

SCOOP 64 · 03-03-2014 10:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Friend of mine lost his job recently, he was not the only one, about 20 people lost jobs, others were made to quit. Turns out this is a company who is using job bridge , he now has to go to a meeting to accept a job bridge position or his benefits are cut. So now he has to go work at half the wage thanks to the system that made him loose his job !!

I thought jobbridge was voluntary?
You applied for the jobbridge on fas like any other job.

runawaybishop · 03-03-2014 10:58AM

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

I thought jobbridge was voluntary?
You applied for the jobbridge on fas like any other job.

Yes, if you don't voluntarily go to it your benefit is cut.

ivytwine · 03-03-2014 11:37AM

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

I thought jobbridge was voluntary?
You applied for the jobbridge on fas like any other job.

Also there are fewer and fewer real paying jobs thanks to this.

SCOOP 64 · 03-03-2014 01:37PM

ivytwine wrote: »

Also there are fewer and fewer real paying jobs thanks to this.

yeah i know,
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Pinch Flat · 03-03-2014 01:46PM

Xenji wrote: »

You need a Safe Pass card first and foremost and then you need a valid ticket to work on any machinery, as you said so much wrong with that.

That ad needs to be reported to the Health & Safety Authority to be honest.

Hermy · 03-03-2014 03:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

...he now has to go to a meeting to accept a job bridge position or his benefits are cut...

I didn't know Job Bridge positions were compulsory.

03-03-2014 03:25PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

When did he loss his job?

I dont want to get into it too much on here and i am just going to wait to see how he gets on tomorrow. From his understanding, his company were all over jobbridge when they heard about it, their turnover in staff then went through the roof. Will wait and see what happens .

Xenji · 03-03-2014 03:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I dont want to get into it too much on here and i am just going to wait to see how he gets on tomorrow. From his understanding, his company were all over jobbridge when they heard about it, their turnover in staff then went through the roof. Will wait and see what happens .

Do you know roughly how many workers were employed by the company before they started taking on interns from the scheme?

03-03-2014 06:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I dont want to get into it too much on here and i am just going to wait to see how he gets on tomorrow. From his understanding, his company were all over jobbridge when they heard about it, their turnover in staff then went through the roof. Will wait and see what happens .

If this is fact, then they are breaking the rules and should be made accountable. Saying or doing nothing means it only continues.

Beekay · 04-03-2014 03:27PM

Beekay wrote: »

Went for an interview for a jobbridge internship. I'm only starting out in Web design/development so looking to get some real world experience where I can learn.

This company is not involved with Web design/development. They basically just want me to re-design their website.
There will be no mentor and no chance at a permanent position.
I feel I can do the job alone anyway.
I don't want to see them get free labour but it would be good for the cv I think. This could be a real job,temporary but real.

Had another interview today. Was basically the same kind of work needed, they have a site think it needs to look better although they do have others ideas which at the moment are outside of my capabilities.

They do accept that I would be learning while on the job but again there is no mentor or anybody within the company that does the anything got to do with Web development.

This position is so far away it would actually cost me to work there which wouldn't bother me if they were looking to train me and provided mentoring.

B.A._Baracus · 04-03-2014 04:12PM

Thats just insane. So thats the new scam with JobsBridge now.
If your business needs something... heck, even if the walls need painting. Why pay a painter. Just put up an 'painting internship' !?

runawaybishop · 04-03-2014 05:01PM

Beekay wrote: »

Had another interview today. Was basically the same kind of work needed, they have a site think it needs to look better although they do have others ideas which at the moment are outside of my capabilities.

They do accept that I would be learning while on the job but again there is no mentor or anybody within the company that does the anything got to do with Web development.

This position is so far away it would actually cost me to work there which wouldn't bother me if they were looking to train me and provided mentoring.

Please report these companies. They are just taking in unrelated professions to close out gaps for themselves at 50 euro a week. This is directly taking employment away from people.

SeaFields · 04-03-2014 05:07PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

Please report these companies. They are just taking in unrelated professions to close out gaps for themselves at 50 euro a week. This is directly taking employment away from people.

They ain't paying the €50, the state is, so plugging their gaps is going to cost them nothing.

Beekay · 04-03-2014 05:10PM

Who do you report them to?

I'm stuck in a difficult situation though. If they had to pay me they probably wouldn't hire me due to my lack of experience. But at the moment it seems these jobbridge positions are my only road back into the workplace

runawaybishop · 04-03-2014 05:14PM

Beekay wrote: »

Who do you report them to?

I'm stuck in a difficult situation though. If they had to pay me they probably wouldn't hire me due to my lack of experience. But at the moment it seems these jobbridge positions are my only road back into the workplace

Report them to jobbridge for a start.

They wont hire you because they can get someone to do the work for free on jobbridge, they still wont hire you with jobbridge experience because they will get an intern anyway. If you want experience go and do a website for a local charity.

Jobbridge positions like the ones you mention are a roadblock, not a road.

B.A._Baracus · 04-03-2014 05:25PM

Beekay wrote: »

Who do you report them to?

I'm stuck in a difficult situation though. If they had to pay me they probably wouldn't hire me due to my lack of experience. But at the moment it seems these jobbridge positions are my only road back into the workplace

We're in the same boat. I too am a recent graduate of web design.
I'm sick of seeing so many internships listed and what paying jobs there are want you to know everything under the sun with years of experience. So we're stuck in a tough spot.

But theres an internship which could offer experience & then theres getting used. Both these companies are looking to use you. They want a website for free.

Smidge · 04-03-2014 10:08PM

Prime Time tonight should be an interesting watch tonight.
Its about getting the long term unemployed "working" for the local authority.
I get a distinct whiff of a Jobsbridge type dealy off this

Are they going to tell us that they will be offering proper jobs to the LTU?
So people will be forced into taking these JOBS to keep their payment and then do a full days work along side people who are actually receiving a full wage for the same role?
That would drive any sane person to crack tbh

Xenji · 04-03-2014 10:24PM

Smidge wrote: »

Prime Time tonight should be an interesting watch tonight.
Its about getting the long term unemployed "working" for the local authority.
I get a distinct whiff of a Jobsbridge type dealy off this
Are they going to tell us that they will be offering proper jobs to the LTU?
So people will be forced into taking these JOBS to keep their payment and then do a full days work along side people who are actually receiving a full wage for the same role?
That would drive any sane person to crack tbh

They are doing this in Dublin already, but the people only get an extra €20 a week.

http://www.thejournal.ie/unemployed-local-authority-work-1326427-Feb2014/

They want to do this all around the country, so that would push the number of people on Activation Schemes to well over 100,000 and of course bring down the the live register figures even though these people are still in receipt of social welfare.

Starbordsie · 04-03-2014 10:29PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

Please report these companies. They are just taking in unrelated professions to close out gaps for themselves at 50 euro a week.

Reminder: the companies aren't even paying the extra 50 euro a week, the state is. Taking on an "intern" cost them nothing. :mad:

Smidge · 04-03-2014 10:38PM

Xenji wrote: »

They are doing this in Dublin already, but the people only get an extra €20 a week.

http://www.thejournal.ie/unemployed-local-authority-work-1326427-Feb2014/

They want to do this all around the country, so that would push the number of people on Activation Schemes to well over 100,000 and of course bring down the the live register figures even though these people are still in receipt of social welfare.

Its disgusting, that's what it is.
It must be soul destroying for anyone who has to partake for €20 extra knowing that "Paddy" is doing the same job as you and getting a proper wage and benefits(ie stamps, holidays etc).
I genuinely dont think that people realise how being unemployed can suck hope and self respect from a person.
But this abomination??
This is insult to injury

Xenji · 04-03-2014 10:45PM

Smidge wrote: »

Its disgusting, that's what it is.
It must be soul destroying for anyone who has to partake for €20 extra knowing that "Paddy" is doing the same job as you and getting a proper wage and benefits(ie stamps, holidays etc).
I genuinely dont think that people realise how being unemployed can suck hope and self respect from a person.
But this abomination??
This is insult to injury

From what I have heard from the council I work in, is that people involved in the scheme will not be in offices or doing any clerical work, they will be gardening, street cleaning, doing menial maintenance, showing tourists around and painting, upkeeping and cleaning the council buildings, although they will only work 19.5 hours a week.

Smidge · 04-03-2014 10:52PM

Xenji wrote: »

From what I have heard from the council I work in is that people will not be in offices or doing any clerical work, they will be gardening, street cleaning, doing menial maintenance, showing tourists around and painting, upkeeping and cleaning the council buildings.

I assumed as much tbh.
ANYBODY doing any of the above jobs should receive a wage.
No ifs, ands or buts.
If there is a need for these roles, then there should be paying jobs for these roles.
I have to say that it feels to me like being on a "chain gang" somewhat.
If the want to get petty criminals to do this kid of role, fine. It contributes back to society.
But not for an unemployed person.
They have done no wrong.

The Jobbridge Scandal

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