John Gilligan Shot

A_Sober_Paddy · 04-03-2014 03:38PM

I love all these people saying they find it sick that there are so many people saying he wished he'd died, that man grub creature who has done untold damage in his time, let us hope the next gun man is more clinical

end of the road · 04-03-2014 03:58PM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

Drug dealers prey on the weak and naive.

awwwwwwww, my heart bleeds, its very simple, no excuse not to know these days that drugs are dangerous, i would have bought your statement in the 1980s when irelands drug issue was starting out but now, no

Taffy Kat wrote: »

Its well known that they entice people into a vicious web from which it is very difficult to escape.

the people who take them choose to do so.

Taffy Kat wrote: »

They aren't selling Mars Bars... they're selling highly addictive substances and they know what a mess people will end up in.

so are publicans, offlicences and so on.

Taffy Kat wrote: »

They're vultures who thrive off misery.

no, their providing a service people are stupid enough to avail of

Taffy Kat wrote: »

plenty of other countries around the world treat drug dealers far more harshly than in Europe, and rightly so in my opinion.

rightly so? what does it achieve? oh yeah i know, **** all

Taffy Kat wrote: »

It is becoming increasingly socially unacceptable to be anything but a liberal.

no it isn't, any right thinking person will not care a less about fake social unacceptability, it only exists because people are afraid to go against it, thankfully though many like me and you aren't

Taffy Kat wrote: »

Then the law is making a huge mistake.

no its not, no evidence linking him to it, just a bunch of co-incidents but thats it.

Taffy Kat wrote: »

By your argument, for a period of time, the Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six committed those atrocities.

no, they were set up

Taffy Kat wrote: »

Just as there are miscarriages of justice one way, there are miscarriages the other.

yes, but not in his case, the evidence is clear

Taffy Kat wrote: »

Just because someone has been found not guilty doesn't mean s/he hasn't done those things.

again, he hasn't done any of that stuff until its proven that he has.

Taffy Kat wrote: »

It might in the eyes of the law, but people do get away with things.

again, he got away with nothing, what the evidence proved he did, he was jailed for.

Valetta · 04-03-2014 04:02PM

end of the road wrote: »

again, he hasn't done any of that stuff until its proven that he has.

.

Why do you keep spouting this rubbish?

end of the road · 04-03-2014 04:04PM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

I wonder was Veronica Guerin's son traumatised.

whats that got to do with what he said? i suppose your fine with an 8 year old little girl being traumatised over seeing her grandfather being shot, just because you wonder if the son of somebody who was murdered not by him but can't accept it was traumatised? very very low

Taffy Kat · 04-03-2014 04:06PM

end of the road wrote: »

whats that got to do with what he said? i suppose your fine with an 8 year old little girl being traumatised over seeing her grandfather being shot, just because you wonder if the son of somebody who was murdered not by him but can't accept it was traumatised? very very low

No, I'm not OK with it. The mother of that eight year old girl is an absolute c**t, and completely unfit to be a mother. If you're prepared to put your child in that kind of situation, in that kind of danger, then you are not doing your job as a parent and the child should be taken from you.

end of the road wrote: »

awwwwwwww, my heart bleeds, its very simple, no excuse not to know these days that drugs are dangerous, i would have bought your statement in the 1980s when irelands drug issue was starting out but now, no

the people who take them choose to do so.

so are publicans, offlicences and so on.

no, their providing a service people are stupid enough to avail of

rightly so? what does it achieve? oh yeah i know, **** all

no it isn't, any right thinking person will not care a less about fake social unacceptability, it only exists because people are afraid to go against it, thankfully though many like me and you aren't

no its not, no evidence linking him to it, just a bunch of co-incidents but thats it.

no, they were set up

yes, but not in his case, the evidence is clear

again, he hasn't done any of that stuff until its proven that he has.

again, he got away with nothing, what the evidence proved he did, he was jailed for.

Drugs are illegal, so you can't equate them with alcohol. Sorry, that argument doesn't hold up. I would like to ask you, however, what you think of child pornography peddlers? Are they also providing a service to buyers who are fully aware of what they are purchasing? Arguably they also know the risks, that they're likely to have Gardaí wanting to have a chat with them. Just wondering where your concept of the laws of the market start and finish.

end of the road · 04-03-2014 04:08PM

Valetta wrote: »

Can't let this go unchallenged.

He either was involved with Veronica's murder, or he wasn't.

What the court says can't change facts.

and the fact is that he wasn't found guilty of her murder, thats it

Valetta · 04-03-2014 04:12PM

end of the road wrote: »

and the fact is that he wasn't found guilty of her murder, thats it

You stated:

until it is proved before a court of law that he did any of that stuff, then he didn't, thats how it is

That's patently not true.

BillyMitchel · 04-03-2014 04:18PM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

No, I'm not OK with it. The mother of that eight year old girl is an absolute c**t, and completely unfit to be a mother. If you're prepared to put your child in that kind of situation, in that kind of danger, then you are not doing your job as a parent and the child should be taken from you.

Drugs are illegal, so you can't equate them with alcohol. Sorry, that argument doesn't hold up. I would like to ask you, however, what you think of child pornography peddlers? Are they also providing a service to buyers who are fully aware of what they are purchasing? Arguably they also know the risks, that they're likely to have Gardaí wanting to have a chat with them. Just wondering where your concept of the laws of the market start and finish.

Taffy you talk some amount of tripe.

A drug dealer and a kiddy fiddler are not the same. People buy drugs and they are doing harm to themselves. People buy child porn knowing a child has been physically and mentally abused and absolutely degraded. They aren't even in the same league. Cop the fock on.

Taffy Kat · 04-03-2014 04:30PM

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Taffy you talk some amount of tripe.

A drug dealer and a kiddy fiddler are not the same. People buy drugs and they are doing harm to themselves. People buy child porn knowing a child has been physically and mentally abused and absolutely degraded. They aren't even in the same league. Cop the fock on.

Both are criminals. The only difference is a child pornography peddler sells his wares knowing that it was created from harm, a drug dealer sells his wares knowing its use will be harmful. You cannot convince me that it is anything but morally repugnant to sell drugs.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience · 04-03-2014 04:32PM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

Both are criminals. The only difference is a child pornography peddler sells his wares knowing that it was created from harm, a drug dealer sells his wares knowing its use will be harmful. You cannot convince me that it is anything but morally repugnant to sell drugs.

You're absolutely raving if you think selling cannabis or even yokes is in the same league as using child pornography

batistuta9 · 04-03-2014 04:35PM

Why was veronica guerin shot?

BillyMitchel · 04-03-2014 04:38PM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

Both are criminals. The only difference is a child pornography peddler sells his wares knowing that it was created from harm, a drug dealer sells his wares knowing its use will be harmful. You cannot convince me that it is anything but morally repugnant to sell drugs.

You've got to be seriously taking the Michael here?

Valetta · 04-03-2014 04:41PM

batistuta9 wrote: »

Why was veronica guerin shot?

She was exposing all the bad things Gilligan was doing, so he arranged to have her killed.

RollieFingers · 04-03-2014 04:43PM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

Both are criminals. The only difference is a child pornography peddler sells his wares knowing that it was created from harm, a drug dealer sells his wares knowing its use will be harmful. You cannot convince me that it is anything but morally repugnant to sell drugs.

I've heard it all now! Comparing a drug dealer to a child porn peddler, are you serious?

batistuta9 · 04-03-2014 04:52PM

Valetta wrote: »

She was exposing all the bad things Gilligan was doing, so he arranged to have her killed.

Is the film a fairly accurate account of it, do you know?

Holsten · 04-03-2014 04:53PM

Valetta wrote: »

She was exposing all the bad things Gilligan was doing, so he arranged to have her killed.

Funny how the courts don't agree, eh?

batistuta9 · 04-03-2014 04:57PM

Holsten wrote: »

Funny how the courts don't agree, eh?

Why do you think she got killed?

Was she just the first journalist that took a serious look into criminality

Valetta · 04-03-2014 04:57PM

batistuta9 wrote: »

Is the film a fairly accurate account of it, do you know?

I would think so.

Holsten wrote: »

Funny how the courts don't agree, eh?

Hilarious.

Hangballlouie · 04-03-2014 05:01PM

batistuta9 wrote: »

Why was veronica guerin shot?

He didn't agree with her style of writing. He is more of a fan of Narrative while she wrote Descriptive.

Gatling · 04-03-2014 05:03PM

RollieFingers wrote: »

I've heard it all now! Comparing a drug dealer to a child porn peddler, are you serious?

Both do irrefutable damage to families across the world

Taffy Kat · 04-03-2014 05:04PM

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

You're absolutely raving if you think selling cannabis or even yokes is in the same league as using child pornography

BillyMitchel wrote: »

You've got to be seriously taking the Michael here?

RollieFingers wrote: »

I've heard it all now! Comparing a drug dealer to a child porn peddler, are you serious?

I find both equally as abhorrent, and that both offenders, a drug dealer, and a child pornography peddler, get away with light prison sentences disgusts me. I have notice the remarks such as "he was only importing/selling a bit of smoke". Those that made those remarks are showing themselves in a poor light. Drugs kill. Drug dealers do not go after mature, responsible individuals capable of making reasoned judgements. They go after people who are either (a)naive, or (b)in desperate circumstances and need an escape.

I have one question that I'd like all of those attacking me to answer. Suppose someone got drugs from Gilligan, built up a bit of debt with him, and then couldn't pay. Now, I have a hunch Gilligan wouldn't want to chase those people through the courts, or report them to the Gardaí. As moronically unintelligent as he appears to be, I don't suppose even he's dopey enough to ring 999 and say "eh, Guard, dis bleedin' gom, I sold him a load of dope, and now he won't pay me back, what yis gonna do about it?" So how do you think your wonderful John would have gotten said money?

Answers on a postcard to: "we live in a fantasy world where drug dealers are kind, warm, loving individuals".

If anyone lives in a fantasy world here, its those who believe that, at heart, Gilligan is a good guy.

Drug dealers prey on the weak, child pornographers prey on the weak, in my book both deserve hanging.

For goodness sake, next you'll be waxing on about how Larry Murphy has repaid his debt to society. How he grew up in terrible circumstances, and how he is basically misunderstood.

Gatling · 04-03-2014 05:08PM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

Drug dealers prey on the weak, child pornographers prey on the weak, in my book both deserve hanging.

For goodness sake, next you'll be waxing on about how Larry Murphy has repaid his debt to society. How he grew up in terrible circumstances, and how he is basically misunderstood.

On a different thread that was actually mentioned to day

Taffy Kat · 04-03-2014 05:10PM

Gatling wrote: »

On a different thread that was actually mentioned to day

You're not serious? Someone actually thinks Murphy has done his time and is a victim of circumstance?

I'd ask the person who made comments like that whether they'd want him alone around female members of their family.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience · 04-03-2014 05:12PM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

I find both equally as abhorrent,.

So selling a few 50 bags of a plant is the exact same in your mind as producing child pornography?

I'd be hoping Gilligan doesn't pull through but not for his drug dealing. He imported cannabis which is less harmful than the pints you can legally buy in every street corner in Ireland. It's the threatening behavior and alleged murders he ordered that in my mind stick out as the main reason that I'm delighted the ****er got what was coming to him

Unfortunate that it had to happen in front of that young girl though

Your Peado/drugdealer comparison is ridiculous

Holsten · 04-03-2014 05:16PM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

You're not serious? Someone actually thinks Murphy has done his time and is a victim of circumstance?

I'd ask the person who made comments like that whether they'd want him alone around female members of their family.

Here is the thing, he HAS served his debt to society whether you like it or not. He has paid his debt in the eyes of the law. 10 years in prison. You would want him to pay even more, but thankfully you don't deal out the sentences. He has not re offended since his release.

Why are you talking about Larry Murphy in a thread about John Gilligan getting shot?

BillyMitchel · 04-03-2014 05:16PM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

I find both equally as abhorrent, and that both offenders, a drug dealer, and a child pornography peddler, get away with light prison sentences disgusts me. I have notice the remarks such as "he was only importing/selling a bit of smoke". Those that made those remarks are showing themselves in a poor light. Drugs kill. Drug dealers do not go after mature, responsible individuals capable of making reasoned judgements. They go after people who are either (a)naive, or (b)in desperate circumstances and need an escape.

I have one question that I'd like all of those attacking me to answer. Suppose someone got drugs from Gilligan, built up a bit of debt with him, and then couldn't pay. Now, I have a hunch Gilligan wouldn't want to chase those people through the courts, or report them to the Gardaí. As moronically unintelligent as he appears to be, I don't suppose even he's dopey enough to ring 999 and say "eh, Guard, dis bleedin' gom, I sold him a load of dope, and now he won't pay me back, what yis gonna do about it?" So how do you think your wonderful John would have gotten said money?

Answers on a postcard to: "we live in a fantasy world where drug dealers are kind, warm, loving individuals".

If anyone lives in a fantasy world here, its those who believe that, at heart, Gilligan is a good guy.

Drug dealers prey on the weak, child pornographers prey on the weak, in my book both deserve hanging.

For goodness sake, next you'll be waxing on about how Larry Murphy has repaid his debt to society. How he grew up in terrible circumstances, and how he is basically misunderstood.

A person has a choice if they take drugs.

A child does not have a choice if they get rapped.

How hard is that to understand? Any person that uses drugs has had a choice at some stage, a child has not.

I've never defended JG once by the way I've said I didn't care what happened him. All I've said is facts, can you prove any more? Do you know someone was convicted of killing her?

Then you go and bring Larry M into it! Who's next Rose and Fred West?!

Gatling · 04-03-2014 05:17PM

Jayus posters on here never cease to amaze me at times

My name is URL · 04-03-2014 05:19PM

Holsten wrote: »

Here is the thing, he HAS served his debt to society whether you like it or not. He has paid his debt in the eyes of the law. 10 years in prison. You would want him to pay even more, but thankfully you don't deal out the sentences. He has not re offended since his release.

Why are you talking about Larry Murphy in a thread about John Gilligan getting shot?

I think he served 17 years. Which is more than a lot of convicted killers serve.

Taffy Kat · 04-03-2014 05:20PM

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

So selling a few 50 bags of a plant is the exact same in your mind as producing child pornography?

I'd be hoping Gilligan doesn't pull through but not for his drug dealing. He imported cannabis which is less harmful than the pints you can legally buy in every street corner in Ireland. It's the threatening behavior and alleged murders he ordered that in my mind stick out

Your Peado/drugdealer comparison is ridiculous

Ask yourself would you want either anywhere near your family?

There is petty crime, that some people fall into out of a mixture of bad luck and bad decisions. A petty sneak thief, for example. A drug dealer, particularly one to the magnitude of Gilligan, wreaks havoc and harm on their victims, but also the families of those victims.

Enough of this horsesh*t that he was only selling cannabis. Cannabis is known to, in and of itself do harm, and in turn to lead to bigger and worse drugs. Please God it will never happen to you, but whether you have them now or in the future, would you be happy if your children or grandchildren got involved in drugs? I suspect the answer is no.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience · 04-03-2014 05:23PM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

Ask yourself would you want either anywhere near your family?

There is petty crime, that some people fall into out of a mixture of bad luck and bad decisions. A petty sneak thief, for example. A drug dealer, particularly one to the magnitude of Gilligan, wreaks havoc and harm on their victims, but also the families of those victims.

Enough of this horsesh*t that he was only selling cannabis. Cannabis is known to, in and of itself do harm, and in turn to lead to bigger and worse drugs. Please God it will never happen to you, but whether you have them now or in the future, would you be happy if your children or grandchildren got involved in drugs? I suspect the answer is no.

god almighty you haven't a bulls notion. I'm out

John Gilligan Shot

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