John Gilligan Shot

Idbatterim · 04-03-2014 02:27AM

How can you stand close to a man, have 4 shots at him and not kill him?

Must have been apprentice hitmen.

I blame jobbridge!

Neeson · 04-03-2014 02:40AM

Would there not be a recording of Gilligan saying he was going to ride Cathal on Veronica's voicemail? It was left on the voicemail wasn't it. He was going to fuc.king ride her son and then kill her if she wrote bad things about him.

end of the road · 04-03-2014 03:12AM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

I would hang drug-dealers because they prey on suffering, and think nothing of drug addicts with wrecked lives, with no hope, dying horrible deaths.

yeah, drug dealers who provide a service to people who choose to use such a service knowing the risks, so you would hang them? so effectively you invalidate the law.

Taffy Kat wrote: »

That might not fit in with the "its cool to be liberal, and anyone who isn't a liberal is a scumbag" fashion of today's society

whats this? never heard of this, people believe in something because they believe it not because apparently its cool.

Taffy Kat wrote: »

its my belief and I'm sticking to it.

wow, stick it to the man, slow clap, slow clap

Taffy Kat wrote: »

Rightly or wrongly, I see Gilligan as the man who did all the things I listed above, including the things to Veronica Guerin that he allegedly did.

believe what you like, but you are infact wrong, whatever about the other things he supposibly did to her, he was brought to court for her murder and iquitted.

Taffy Kat wrote: »

I personally do not believe that Gilligan has paid for his crimes, certainly not all of them.

the law says otherwise

Taffy Kat wrote: »

please understand that just as much as my attitude sickens ye to the core, so does your's make me want to vomit.

honestly, i couldn't care a less, the facts and evidence go against your opinion

Taffy Kat wrote: »

There is a woman who is dead nearly twenty years, who did no wrong, who had a son who was threatened with rape and murder, she herself was beaten viciously more than once, was essentially sexually assaulted and had her house shot up more than once. The man who allegedly did all that is walking free, probably receiving money from the state in the form of dole or some other form and is as happy as Larry.

until it is proved before a court of law that he did any of that stuff, then he didn't, thats how it is

Taffy Kat wrote: »

Sorry, but that sticks in my throat.

how, not found guilty of any of that stuff.

Taffy Kat wrote: »

You can call me all the names under the Sun, I will not conform to liberal doctrines that say that man should be able to enjoy the rest of his life.

slow clap, slow clap, slow clap, slow clap

Taffy Kat wrote: »

If that offends you, sorry, but get on with it. As I said, your attitudes offend me just as much as mine offend you.

again, go you, stick it to the man

Baze · 04-03-2014 03:51AM

Just watched the Veronica Guerin film there and always amazes me how there is a notion that Traynor liked Veronica really and so he couldn't have had her killed. In the movie, the guy is made out to be some kind of lovable rogue, but this is the guy who, let's not forget, already had her shot. Plus he was in the process of suing her, as she was about to publish a book on him.

I think that far too much of the prosecution's case regarding the murder was based on informants agenda based evidence and at the end of the day, it's all that crap which also has being the basis of what the public think did and did not happen.

One major piece of circumstantial evidence against Gilligan, for example, was that Traynor had told him that Veronica was in court on that fateful day, but he now claims that he didn't tell Gilligan that at all, but that it just suited him to say that at the time.

Even if they had convicted Gilligan under the testimony from Bowden (who is now of course in the witness protection programme) it would no doubt have been overturned on appeal, as Paul Ward's conviction which was based on Bowden's testimony, was overturned on appeal and the judge condemned Gardai's over-reliance on Bowden's "uncorroborated evidence" when he did so.

Maybe Gilligan did order it but I certainly wouldn't trust the fcukers saying that he did, as they are just as bad, if not worse than him.

Meanwhile, Bowden is living it up at the tax payer's expense.

TeddyTedson · 04-03-2014 03:56AM

It's disgusting to see people say things like they wish John died. He's the victim in this case and just because people don't like him is no reason to wish him dead. I was quite young when I knew him but he always seemed nice from my perspective. Obviously he made a few bad choices in life but I hope he makes a full recovery and we all move on with our lives.

TechnoPool · 04-03-2014 04:41AM

TeddyTedson wrote: »

It's disgusting to see people say things like they wish John died. He's the victim in this case and just because people don't like him is no reason to wish him dead. I was quite young when I knew him but he always seemed nice from my perspective. Obviously he made a few bad choices in life but I hope he makes a full recovery and we all move on with our lives.

ahhhhhh here....

Nidgeweasel · 04-03-2014 10:34AM

TeddyTedson wrote: »

It's disgusting to see people say things like they wish John died. He's the victim in this case and just because people don't like him is no reason to wish him dead. I was quite young when I knew him but he always seemed nice from my perspective. Obviously he made a few bad choices in life but I hope he makes a full recovery and we all move on with our lives.

God bless us all, and god bless you John Gilligan.

Taffy Kat · 04-03-2014 11:30AM

end of the road wrote: »

yeah, drug dealers who provide a service to people who choose to use such a service knowing the risks, so you would hang them? so effectively you invalidate the law. Drug dealers prey on the weak and naive. Its well known that they entice people into a vicious web from which it is very difficult to escape. They aren't selling Mars Bars... they're selling highly addictive substances and they know what a mess people will end up in. They're vultures who thrive off misery. Like it or not, plenty of other countries around the world treat drug dealers far more harshly than in Europe, and rightly so in my opinion.

whats this? never heard of this, people believe in something because they believe it not because apparently its cool. It is becoming increasingly socially unacceptable to be anything but a liberal.

wow, stick it to the man, slow clap, slow clap What a convincing argument. Maybe instead of trying to be insulting, come up with some counter opinion.

believe what you like, but you are infact wrong, whatever about the other things he supposibly did to her, he was brought to court for her murder and iquitted. Then the law is making a huge mistake. By your argument, for a period of time, the Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six committed those atrocities. Just as there are miscarriages of justice one way, there are miscarriages the other. Oh, and he may have been acquitted, don't know what iquitted is, nor supposibly and I think its in fact, not infact.

the law says otherwise Ever heard the expression "the law is an ass?" Stalin, technically, wasn't found guilty of any of his crimes, that doesn't mean he didn't commit them

honestly, i couldn't care a less, the facts and evidence go against your opinion Well don't reply to me then if you don't care. The fact that you have taken time to cut up my quote, then respond suggests that actually you may rather care quite a lot. If you didn't care, surely you'd just ignore me.

until it is proved before a court of law that he did any of that stuff, then he didn't, thats how it is Gilligan clearly lives by the law of the gun. He must have been doing something to annoy someone for him to have been shot. Yes, those that shot him also committed a crime, but if you run with lions you'll get eaten, simple as.

how, not found guilty of any of that stuff. Just because someone has been found not guilty doesn't mean s/he hasn't done those things. It might in the eyes of the law, but people do get away with things.

slow clap, slow clap, slow clap, slow clap Again a piffling response.

again, go you, stick it to the man Oh and there you go again. Whilst we're trading insults, could I just call you up on your punctuation? The fact you obviously don't understand what capital letters or full stops, let alone commas etc. are for, really suggests to me that either you are still in school or you have been there, but, alas, you came out of it very poorly educated.

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stefan idiot jones · 04-03-2014 01:11PM

TeddyTedson wrote: »

It's disgusting to see people say things like they wish John died. He's the victim in this case and just because people don't like him is no reason to wish him dead. I was quite young when I knew him but he always seemed nice from my perspective. Obviously he made a few bad choices in life but I hope he makes a full recovery and we all move on with our lives.

And there's me thinking I talk a load of crap.

RollieFingers · 04-03-2014 01:46PM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

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A grammar nazi coupled with personal insults, stay classy Mr Taffy!

gugleguy · 04-03-2014 01:52PM

I see the thread derailment crew have activated.

Taffy Kat · 04-03-2014 01:56PM

RollieFingers wrote: »

A grammar nazi coupled with personal insults, stay classy Mr Taffy!

I was insulted, I was just joining in the game. Good to see you failed to rise above that one yourself with the fascist slur. There is nothing "Nazi" (a proper noun, it has a capital letter) about expressing a need for correct orthography. I also wasn't discussing correct grammar, I was discussing correct spelling and punctuation. Furthermore, I make no apologies for having benefited from a proper education. I'm afraid at this stage you are simply portraying yourself as an ignoramus. In your lacking of intelligence and education, you are simply becoming hysterical.

RollieFingers · 04-03-2014 01:58PM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

I was insulted, I was just joining in the game. Good to see you failed to rise above that one yourself with the fascist slur. There is nothing "Nazi" (a proper noun, it has a capital letter) about expressing a need for correct orthography. I also wasn't discussing correct grammar, I was discussing correct spelling and punctuation. Furthermore, I make no apologies for having benefited from a proper education. I'm afraid at this stage you are simply portraying yourself as an ignoramus. In your lacking of intelligence and education, you are simply becoming hysterical.

lol

Hitchens · 04-03-2014 02:15PM

From todays paper:

FORMER drug baron John Gilligan's granddaughter has been left "extremely traumatised" after she witnessed gunmen storming into his brother's home in last weekend's botched murder attempt.

Sources have revealed that the eight-year-old watched in horror as she sat in a car with her mother Tracey Gilligan -- the mobster's only daughter -- as the masked gunmen stormed the house at Greenfort Crescent in Clondalkin and shot Gilligan four times.

Taffy Kat · 04-03-2014 02:25PM

RollieFingers wrote: »

lol

What a response. I just can't come back from that.

Holsten · 04-03-2014 02:26PM

Hitchens wrote: »

From todays paper:

FORMER drug baron John Gilligan's granddaughter has been left "extremely traumatised" after she witnessed gunmen storming into his brother's home in last weekend's botched murder attempt.

Sources have revealed that the eight-year-old watched in horror as she sat in a car with her mother Tracey Gilligan -- the mobster's only daughter -- as the masked gunmen stormed the house at Greenfort Crescent in Clondalkin and shot Gilligan four times.

All while people are cheering he got shot. Sicking.

No one deserves to be shot. Gilligan was/is a drug dealer. People choose to take drugs, no one forces it.

He didn't murder Veronica Guerin, as found by the courts. I really don't get the hatred for the man. There are much, much worse out there.

Taffy Kat · 04-03-2014 02:26PM

Hitchens wrote: »

From todays paper:

FORMER drug baron John Gilligan's granddaughter has been left "extremely traumatised" after she witnessed gunmen storming into his brother's home in last weekend's botched murder attempt.

Sources have revealed that the eight-year-old watched in horror as she sat in a car with her mother Tracey Gilligan -- the mobster's only daughter -- as the masked gunmen stormed the house at Greenfort Crescent in Clondalkin and shot Gilligan four times.

I wonder was Veronica Guerin's son traumatised.

Taffy Kat · 04-03-2014 02:29PM

Holsten wrote: »

All while people are cheering he got shot. Sicking.

No one deserves to be shot. Gilligan was/is a drug dealer. People choose to take drugs, no one forces it.

He didn't murder Veronica Guerin, as found by the courts. I really don't get the hatred for the man. There are much, much worse out there.

You'll be telling us Captain Hook did it next.

Frankie Lee · 04-03-2014 02:47PM

Holsten wrote: »

All while people are cheering he got shot. Sicking.

No one deserves to be shot. Gilligan was/is a drug dealer. People choose to take drugs, no one forces it.

He didn't murder Veronica Guerin, as found by the courts. I really don't get the hatred for the man. There are much, much worse out there.

Exactly he is a criminal who has done bad things in his life but the bizarre mob mentality here is more disturbing. An 8 year old girl had to witness an attempted murder an people are disappointed he wasn't killed.

Holsten · 04-03-2014 02:52PM

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Exactly he is a criminal who has done bad things in his life but the bizarre mob mentality here is more disturbing. An 8 year old girl had to witness an attempted murder an people are disappointed he wasn't killed.

Lots of people here seem to have torture/revenge fetishes.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience · 04-03-2014 02:56PM

Holsten wrote: »

Lots of people here seem to have torture/revenge fetishes.

Lots of people here know exactly the kind of scumbag John Gilligan is and have no sympathy

The bleeding hearts and high horsers are hilarious

BillyMitchel · 04-03-2014 02:56PM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

I wonder was Veronica Guerin's son traumatised.

But he was found not guilty of killing her?

Why do people keep saying he's ruined people's lives with drugs? Was he not only convicted of importing cannabis?

Ain't sticking up for the man by any means but at least lets call a spade a spade here.

RollieFingers · 04-03-2014 03:03PM

BillyMitchel wrote: »

But he was found not guilty of killing her?

Why do people keep saying he's ruined people's lives with drugs? Was he not only convicted of importing cannabis?

Ain't sticking up for the man by any means but at least lets call a spade a spade here.

He was never convicted of her murder and he only imported a bit of smoke, as people said, there are much worse out there!

I agree with you completely!

Caliden · 04-03-2014 03:07PM

BillyMitchel wrote: »

But he was found not guilty of killing her?

Why do people keep saying he's ruined people's lives with drugs? Was he not only convicted of importing cannabis?

Ain't sticking up for the man by any means but at least lets call a spade a spade here.

....and Al Capone was only convicted of tax evasion. Leave the poor fella alone sure he only committed a blue collar crime...
:rolleyes:

BillyMitchel · 04-03-2014 03:18PM

Caliden wrote: »

....and Al Capone was only convicted of tax evasion. Leave the poor fella alone sure he only committed a blue collar crime...
:rolleyes:

Never said said leave him alone. Couldn't care less what happens him!

Facts are facts though and the facts are he was found not guilty and he was only convicted of importing cannabis. He's also served 17 years in prison. Which is not really a short term is it.

Bringing Al Capone into it is pointless. He probably had most of the coppers and judges on his pay roll. Different jurisdiction, completely different era.

Caliden · 04-03-2014 03:20PM

The fact is Gilligan was a finger pointer only this time someone else is doing the pointing.

BillyMitchel · 04-03-2014 03:25PM

Caliden wrote: »

The fact is Gilligan was a finger pointer only this time someone else is doing the pointing.

If its a fact would he not have been found guilty of organising the murder?

JohnFalstaff · 04-03-2014 03:30PM

BillyMitchel wrote: »

If its a fact would he not have been found guilty of organising the murder?

You have way too much faith in the criminal justice system... just because he wasn't found guilty of organising the murder in a court of law doesn't necessarily mean he didn't do it.

Valetta · 04-03-2014 03:32PM

end of the road wrote: »

believe what you like, but you are infact wrong, whatever about the other things he supposibly did to her, he was brought to court for her murder and iquitted.

until it is proved before a court of law that he did any of that stuff, then he didn't, thats how it is

how, not found guilty of any of that stuff.

Can't let this go unchallenged.

He either was involved with Veronica's murder, or he wasn't.

What the court says can't change facts.

BillyMitchel · 04-03-2014 03:37PM

JohnFalstaff wrote: »

You have way too much faith in the criminal justice system... just because he wasn't found guilty of organising the murder in a court of law doesn't necessarily mean he didn't do it.

I totally agree with you, I'm just pointing out the facts. How can you argue facts with Paul Williams hearsay? Someone was found guilty of pulling the trigger too by the way.

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