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How Moral are you? Serious answers please.

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  • #32
    Mark Tapley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Mark Tapley


    stefan idiot jones wrote: »
    Better to please a fool than tease a fool?

    Neither, walk away.

    You talk in clichés. How about "I have great faith in fools - self confidence my friends would call it"


  • #33
    stefan idiot jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,518 ✭✭✭stefan idiot jones


    Mark Tapley wrote: »
    You talk in clichés. How about "I have great faith in fools - self confidence my friends would call it"

    I just can't and won't tolerate assholes. There are far too many good people out there rather than having someone sucking the life out of you with their woes.


  • #34
    Mark Tapley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Mark Tapley


    stefan idiot jones wrote: »
    I just can't and won't tolerate assholes. There are far too many good people out there rather than having someone sucking the life out of you with their woes.

    So people who disagree with you or have troubles are fools?

    Are you one of the "good" people?


  • #35
    stefan idiot jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,518 ✭✭✭stefan idiot jones


    Mark Tapley wrote: »
    So people who disagree with you or have troubles are fools?

    Are you one of the "good" people?

    I wouldn't know if they disagreed with me, that's their opinion and thought process.

    I consider myself a good person of moral standing who does not inflict himself on others except to be helpful. You learn this as you become a parent. You also learn to surround yourself with similar minded good people.

    Remember, a friend in need is a pain in the arse.


  • #36
    Mark Tapley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Mark Tapley


    stefan idiot jones wrote: »
    I wouldn't know if they disagreed with me, that's their opinion and thought process.

    I consider myself a good person of moral standing who does not inflict himself on others except to be helpful. You learn this as you become a parent. You also learn to surround yourself with similar minded good people.

    Remember, a friend in need is a pain in the arse.

    So you haven't spoken to these people you judge as arseholes and fools. You paint yourself as moral and good at the same time as sounding superior and unpleasant.
    I read somewhere that when they say in an obituary that the deceased "didn't suffer fools gladly" it was code for he was a cantankerous old git.


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  • #37
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,946 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    stefan idiot jones wrote: »
    Remember, a friend in need is a pain in the arse.

    You'd make for a marvellous friend.

    *hugs*


  • #38
    czechlin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭czechlin


    I try to treat people in a way I'd like to be treated. And I've got a few personal guidelines I go by, most of it is common sense imo.
    I don't think that kindness and morals go hand in hand necessarily. I've come across people, who were full of the morals talk but I didn't see anything kind about them at all. Might have been an extreme.


  • #39
    stefan idiot jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,518 ✭✭✭stefan idiot jones


    Mark Tapley wrote: »
    cantankerous old git.

    Two out of three ain't bad.


  • #40
    caustic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭caustic 1


    I try to treat others how I would like me and mine to be treated. I try to be kind. I am far from perfect however.

    On the downside I am way to judgemental and keep people at arms length because of it.


  • #41
    stefan idiot jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,518 ✭✭✭stefan idiot jones


    caustic 1 wrote: »
    I try to treat others how I would like me and mine to be treated. I try to be kind. I am far from perfect however.

    On the downside I am way to judgemental and keep people at arms length because of it.

    Aah, at last a soul mate. (At arms length obviously)


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  • #42
    Mark Tapley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Mark Tapley


    stefan idiot jones wrote: »
    Aah, at last a soul mate. (At arms length obviously)

    Sounds like cognitive dissonance to me.


  • #43
    stefan idiot jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,518 ✭✭✭stefan idiot jones


    Mark Tapley wrote: »
    Sounds like cognitive dissonance to me.

    Wheelbarrow is the longest word I know.


  • #44
    caustic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭caustic 1


    Mark Tapley wrote: »
    Sounds like cognitive dissonance to me.


    Speaking for myself you may be right.


  • #45
    Red21
    Closed Accounts Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Red21


    stefan idiot jones wrote: »

    I treat people the way I like to be treated myself.

    czechlin wrote: »
    I try to treat people in a way I'd like to be treated.
    caustic 1 wrote: »
    I try to treat others how I would like me and mine to be treated.
    .



    Lots of people say this or some other variation of this, it has no meaning. I could say, " I try not to snatch people's hand bags and spend all their money on drink and drugs but my need to have a fun time gets the better of me". You can say this about pretty much everthing from the slightest insult to the worst crimes.
    Supposing you thank a post that is clearly mocking someone well-known, you know that the famous person would prefer that you didn't but you do it anyway just for the crack.

    If you say "I do treat everyone like I'd......." you're more than likely bull****ting because very few if anyone can live up to that standard.


  • #46
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Red21 wrote: »
    Lots of people say this or some other variation of this, it has no meaning. I could say, " I try not to snatch people's hand bags and spend all their money on drink and drugs but my need to have a fun time gets the better of me". You can say this about pretty much everthing from the slightest insult to the worst crimes.
    Supposing you thank a post that is clearly mocking someone well-known, you know that the famous person would prefer that you didn't but you do it anyway just for the crack.

    If you say "I do treat everyone like I'd......." you're more than likely bull****ting because very few if anyone can live up to that standard.

    Are you saying that there is no difference between attempting to treat people with kindness, consideration and respect, and just not giving a shit and intentionally walking all over everyone you meet?


  • #47
    czechlin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭czechlin


    Red21 wrote: »
    Lots of people say this or some other variation of this, it has no meaning. I could say, " I try not to snatch people's hand bags and spend all their money on drink and drugs but my need to have a fun time gets the better of me". You can say this about pretty much everthing from the slightest insult to the worst crimes.
    Supposing you thank a post that is clearly mocking someone well-known, you know that the famous person would prefer that you didn't but you do it anyway just for the crack.

    If you say "I do treat everyone like I'd......." you're more than likely bull****ting because very few if anyone can live up to that standard.

    So when I say I try to treat people in such and such way it has no meaning. And if I said that I actually do treat people in such way it's bulsh1tting.

    Sounds like a deadlock to me.


  • #48
    COYW
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭COYW


    Very strong on this myself. There is an old Amish proverb "Only look down on people when you are giving them a hand up." I try to stick by this but it is really, really difficult to do so at times. I am far from perfect but I'll keep trying.


  • #49
    Red21
    Closed Accounts Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Red21


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    Are you saying that there is no difference between attempting to treat people with kindness, consideration and respect, and just not giving a shit and intentionally walking all over everyone you meet?
    No.
    I'm saying that the above comments even though you hear it all the time have are meaningless.
    People are as they are, why come up with some code/idea/bunch of words, that has no relevance in day to day life.
    I'm guessing that people say it because it sounds nice maybe it makes them feel a little better about themselves or maybe their being competitive about their goodness it's quiet often the case.
    Nobody I've every met including myself has come even remotely close to this standard, it's utter nonsense when people say it.


  • #50
    Red21
    Closed Accounts Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Red21


    czechlin wrote: »
    So when I say I try to treat people in such and such way it has no meaning. And if I said that I actually do treat people in such way it's bulsh1tting.


    Sounds like a deadlock to me.
    Yes, more that likely bull****ting.
    Yeah you can call it a deadlock or whatever, it has no meaning it's just something people say.


  • #51
    CrazyRabbit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭CrazyRabbit


    Interesting. 1 in 9 voters are possible sociopaths.


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  • #52
    caustic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭caustic 1


    Red21 wrote: »
    No.
    I'm saying that the above comments even though you hear it all the time have are meaningless.
    People are as they are, why come up with some code/idea/bunch of words, that has no relevance in day to day life.
    I'm guessing that people say it because it sounds nice maybe it makes them feel a little better about themselves or maybe their being competitive about their goodness it's quiet often the case.
    Nobody I've every met including myself has come even remotely close to this standard, it's utter nonsense when people say it.

    I don't go out of my way to treat people unkind, however if I am treated that way I will behave the same. I want people to be nice to me, I also try to treat those I meet the same, not bull****. I don't class it as meaningless, or no relevance to day to day life.
    It may not be the case for you, don't judge me by your standards.


  • #53
    czechlin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭czechlin


    Red21 wrote: »
    No.
    I'm saying that the above comments even though you hear it all the time have are meaningless.
    People are as they are, why come up with some code/idea/bunch of words, that has no relevance in day to day life.
    I'm guessing that people say it because it sounds nice maybe it makes them feel a little better about themselves or maybe their being competitive about their goodness it's quiet often the case.
    Nobody I've every met including myself has come even remotely close to this standard, it's utter nonsense when people say it.

    Red21 wrote: »
    Yes, more that likely bull****ting.
    Yeah you can call it a deadlock or whatever, it has no meaning it's just something people say.

    I guess it sounds like a cliche to you and I can understand your point. I just don't see the need to be aggressive about it (that's how your posts come across and it is only my opinion).

    To speak for myself, I don't do things or hold certain morals to be competitive about my goodness or to impress others. e.g. I want to be treated with respect and I like good manners. This works two ways, there's an action and a reaction. I apply that to my daily dealings with people.


  • #54
    Temptamperu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    kneemos wrote: »
    A lot of morals depend on circumstances.If you're starving you'll steal food or if your kids need new shoes and you can't afford to buy them you'll keep that fifty you found outside the store.

    People who find money are supposed to find it. Ka tet and all that jazz.


  • #55
    Red21
    Closed Accounts Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Red21


    caustic 1 wrote: »
    I don't go out of my way to treat people unkind, however if I am treated that way I will behave the same.
    Who does? or should I say who will say they do? do you think when someone like John Gilligan gets up in the morning, he says "i'm gonna be a badass today" I doubt it, he justifies his actions. This is how the vast majority of people live -revange, tit-for-tat. Isin't this what you're saying here, if someone is unkind to me i'll be unkind to them.
    caustic 1 wrote: »
    I want people to be nice to me, I also try to treat those I meet the same, not bull****. I don't class it as meaningless, or no relevance to day to day life.
    It may not be the case for you, don't judge me by your standards.

    You're nice to be people because you want them to be nice to you. This is a far cry from, treating all people as you wish to be treated. But it very much reflects the reality of everyday life.
    We're talking about all people/all life/envoirment etc not just the people you meet. Supposing you've nothing to get from someone/group/nation supposing their affection doesn't matter to you are you going to treat them as you wish to be treated.
    Roma/travellers/someone very unpopular at your work/priests
    If your interest is people being nice to you, surely you've been in situations where shunning does who are unliked by the majority would work to your advantage.


  • #56
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


    This post has been deleted.


  • #57
    Red21
    Closed Accounts Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Red21


    czechlin wrote: »
    I guess it sounds like a cliche to you and I can understand your point. I just don't see the need to be aggressive about it (that's how your posts come across and it is only my opinion).

    To speak for myself, I don't do things or hold certain morals to be competitive about my goodness or to impress others. e.g. I want to be treated with respect and I like good manners. This works two ways, there's an action and a reaction. I apply that to my daily dealings with people.
    I didn't say anything about cliche, I said it's a meaningless thing to say and i'm guessing that it allows people to feel good about themselves, as if they have arrived, and have this side of their life sorted out.

    You like many many others sound like you're there, that your happy with the way you treat others and nothing more needs to be done. Even though, just like the other poster your actions are guided by wanting respect from others.


  • #58
    caustic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭caustic 1


    s
    Red21 wrote: »
    Who does? or should I say who will say they do? do you think when someone like John Gilligan gets up in the morning, he says "i'm gonna be a badass today" I doubt it, he justifies his actions. This is how the vast majority of people live -revange, tit-for-tat. Isin't this what you're saying here, if someone is unkind to me i'll be unkind to them.



    You're nice to be people because you want them to be nice to you. This is a far cry from, treating all people as you wish to be treated. But it very much reflects the reality of everyday life.
    We're talking about all people/all life/envoirment etc not just the people you meet. Supposing you've nothing to get from someone/group/nation supposing their affection doesn't matter to you are you going to treat them as you wish to be treated.
    Roma/travellers/someone very unpopular at your work/priests
    If your interest is people being nice to you, surely you've been in situations where shunning does who are unliked by the majority would work to your advantage.

    At the moment I don't wish to treat you very well, you are taking every word I say and nit picking. I treat all people well. no matter who they are. I do not shun anyone, again don't class me by your actions. You might treat others like that, I do not.


  • #59
    ygolometsipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 882 ✭✭✭ygolometsipe


    I am the worlds most moral and humble person. If anyone disagrees, I will have to kill them.


  • #60
    bnt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,244 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Why are "moral" and "kind" in the same question? They don't necessarily go together. I'm sure the nuns at the Magdalene Laundries thought they were being absolutely moral in being unkind to the young "fallen women" in their charge.

    Personally, I have no Morals. I associate that word with the Church telling people what to do, even if it hurt them. I choose to have Ethics instead. :cool:

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



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  • #61
    Red21
    Closed Accounts Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Red21


    caustic 1 wrote: »
    s

    At the moment I don't wish to treat you very well, you are taking every word I say and nit picking. I treat all people well. no matter who they are. I do not shun anyone, again don't class me by your actions. You might treat others like that, I do not.
    If I've said something that you find offensive can you point it out to me, when you get irate, it seems you're doing so because I've pointed out an idea you have about yourself which is false.

    I can assure you I'm not nit picking what I'm saying to you is probably one of the more important things you'll ever hear.

    If lots of people going around thinking they have a code or an idea that makes them good people and this code is completely meaningless. Surly thats a problem ?

    The same applies for the "don't be a dick" statement I often see, this is also utter nonsense, because the person themselves decides what is or isn't dickish behaviour.


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