John Gilligan Shot

downonthefarm · 03-03-2014 10:00PM

Paulie the snout is paying the mortgage this month

sopretty · 03-03-2014 10:01PM

My name is URL wrote: »

It seems that, to you, anyone not wishing to see him shot dead or raped in the ass, is 'defending' him.

I agree. The comments by Taffy are disgusting to read.

Taffy Kat · 03-03-2014 10:27PM

My name is URL wrote: »

It seems that, to you, anyone not wishing to see him shot dead or raped in the ass, is 'defending' him.

sopretty wrote: »

I agree. The comments by Taffy are disgusting to read.

1. What part of he was a drug dealer do ye not understand?

2. What part of he was such a prolific drug dealer that he made millions from his reign of crime and terror do ye not understand?

3. What part of drugs being extremely dangerous to people's health do ye not understand?

4. What part of drugs wrecking people's lives and the lives of their families do ye not understand?

5. What part of a strongly alleged likelihood that being a drugs baron means he will have directly or indirectly killed people, and directly or indirectly savagely beaten people up do ye not understand?

6. What part of he allegedly savagely beat up a defenceless woman, twice if I recall do ye not understand?

7. What part of he allegedly sexually assaulted (he allegedly tore her clothes, including her intimate clothes) a defenceless woman do ye not understand?

8. What part of he allegedly threatened to rape and murder the young son of that woman do ye not understand?

9. What part of he allegedly shot up or had shot up the house of that defenceless woman do ye not understand?

10. What part of he allegedly murdered, or had murdered, that defenceless woman do ye not understand?

11. What part of he is allegedly trying to rebuild his crime empire do ye not understand?

12. What part of he is allegedly tapping very dangerous people for money do ye not understand?

And you want to focus on the human rights of a person like that? Beh. Its not me that's disgusting in my eyes and in the eyes of most people in Ireland.

And don't s***e on that all those things were alleged offences. Whilst the newspapers have been careful to always use the word alleged, the film, Veronica Guerin, was much more accusative. So why doesn't he sue? Would you if someone made that film about ye? Sure ye would, ye'd probably become billionaires, the payout would have to be so big. So why doesn't he sue?

And please remember, Veronica Guerin was a defenceless woman. She wasn't a gangster with the possibility to defend themselves. She was a normal, decent mother. If its disgusting to ye that someone believes that a man like Gilligan who allegedly did the things listed above should be treated worse than an animal and deserves everything he gets then ye clearly want to live in a world with no morals.

I would add that none of ye have given valid reasons for saying he doesn't deserve to be shot. Just some wishy washy rubbish statement about him having served his time. For what he was found guilty of or for what the country allegedly knows he did?

FourFourRED · 03-03-2014 10:33PM

On a serious note, what's next for Gilligan? He can't stay around living in fear for the rest of his life? Legally speaking, at what stage does the State have to step in and offer serious protection for a man who has served his time and is under serious threat?

Rough Sleeper · 03-03-2014 10:35PM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

Sorry, I'm not a criminal with expert knowledge of firearms and ammunition. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us further. Obviously you have a lot of knowledge.

That isn't expert knowledge on guns and munitions, it's a factoid that any seven-year-old child with a middling level of trivia could tell you.

Taffy Kat · 03-03-2014 10:47PM

Rough Sleeper wrote: »

That isn't expert knowledge on guns and munitions, it's a factoid that any seven-year-old child with a middling level of trivia could tell you.

I've no interest in guns and ammunitions. None whatsoever. Don't want to read about them, don't want to hear about them, don't want to see them, don't want them anywhere near me or my family.

Your argument is seriously childish. Most people couldn't tell you what the flag of San Marino looks like, but that doesn't make them unintelligent. I could, but neither does that make me intelligent. People have different knowledge of different things.

If you're interested in guns, that's your choice. Guns are an evil in society, why you would be interested in them is anyone's guess. However, I want them as far removed from me as possible, and take pride in my ignorance of them.

degsie · 03-03-2014 10:48PM

Stop feeding the trolls guys, they only get fatter!

RollieFingers · 03-03-2014 11:13PM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

I've no interest in guns and ammunitions. None whatsoever. Don't want to read about them, don't want to hear about them, don't want to see them, don't want them anywhere near me or my family.

Your argument is seriously childish. Most people couldn't tell you what the flag of San Marino looks like, but that doesn't make them unintelligent. I could, but neither does that make me intelligent. People have different knowledge of different things.

If you're interested in guns, that's your choice. Guns are an evil in society, why you would be interested in them is anyone's guess. However, I want them as far removed from me as possible, and take pride in my ignorance of them.

Your not in much of a position to blabber on about childish arguments!

dave1982 · 03-03-2014 11:26PM

Jesus Chris Barry FM104 just had Paul Williams on about Gilligan.I can't believe Barry let him say some the things he said like John had boyfriend in prison and who ever was sent to kill him was a amateur.Paul stirred the pot tonight.

Taffy Kat · 03-03-2014 11:31PM

RollieFingers wrote: »

Your not in much of a position to blabber on about childish arguments!

Are you even real?

SEPT 23 1989 · 03-03-2014 11:33PM

Aodhagan wrote: »

On a serious note, what's next for Gilligan? He can't stay around living in fear for the rest of his life? Legally speaking, at what stage does the State have to step in and offer serious protection for a man who has served his time and is under serious threat?

I see a lead role in a west end musical

downonthefarm · 03-03-2014 11:36PM

dave1982 wrote: »

Jesus Chris Barry FM104 just had Paul Williams on about Gilligan.I can't believe Barry let him say some the things he said like John had boyfriend in prison and who ever was sent to kill him was a amateur.Paul stirred the pot tonight.

There was a video of some fella giving him a gobble doing the rounds......apparently

Taffy Kat · 04-03-2014 12:07AM

downonthefarm wrote: »

There was a video of some fella giving him a gobble doing the rounds......apparently

Oh it wasn't him. He did his time sure. He paid his debt to society. Couldn't be him. Fine upstanding gentleman so he is.

end of the road · 04-03-2014 12:14AM

Fentdog84 wrote: »

i know its an awful thing for a pacifist like myself to say but i wish he'd been killed. It would put an end or some kind of closure to this sordid tale, and for Veronica Guerin's family too. As long as him and his ilk are alive and breathing, he's only a menace to society.

why would it bring closure for Veronica Guerin's family? as far as the courts and law are concerned, he had nothing to do with her murder, people may not like that but it is a fact until such time as he is ever brought before the courts again and found guilty, which he won't most likely

end of the road · 04-03-2014 12:17AM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

Thank-you. A pacifist with common sense. Personally, I have my own suspicions about those who say they think its terrible that he was shot.

yeah, because somebody doesn't condone him being shot their obviously related to him some way or involved in the same activities, yeah well done, of course it couldn't be the case that somehow their are people who don't take delight in someone being shot, doesn't mean they like him or have sympathy for him

Taffy Kat · 04-03-2014 12:21AM

end of the road wrote: »

yeah, because somebody doesn't condone him being shot their obviously related to him some way or involved in the same activities, yeah well done, of course it couldn't be the case that somehow their are people who don't take delight in someone being shot, doesn't mean they like him or have sympathy for him

OK, I take your point. Tell me what you'd do with him then?

sopretty · 04-03-2014 12:58AM

I have googled Mr. Gilligan. From my googling, as a young child, he witnessed his father beat his mother, which affected him greatly. He went into crime, as it was the only real option for him in Ballyfermot at the time - him being probably somewhat ambitious and in possession of a few brain cells.
He fell into crime.
He was acquitted of Veronica Guerin's murder.
He served the longest sentence in the history of the State for drug possession, even considering the shortened length on appeal. Many believe this was unlawful, exemplary and unjust and a way of punishing him without conviction for his alleged murder of Veronica.
While the guy is not the pope, he has spent 17 years in prison. 17 years with limited contact via phone to the human race, limited human contact, limited contact in all ways to society apart from within prison walls.
While he may come out looking like an arrogant little prick, he's a person too. At some point he was a baby and a little boy. Watching his mother being beaten by his father.
I wish we would start to look backwards from the crime to the cause. And try to prevent history repeating itself.

end of the road · 04-03-2014 01:12AM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

OK, I take your point. Tell me what you'd do with him then?

nothing, he's served his time

My name is URL · 04-03-2014 01:22AM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

I would add that none of ye have given valid reasons for saying he doesn't deserve to be shot. Just some wishy washy rubbish statement about him having served his time. For what he was found guilty of or for what the country allegedly knows he did?

Whether you like the thought of it or not, he did serve his time. He served the time that was deemed appropriate by our courts and judiciary. He didn't serve enough if you believe him to be guilty of other crimes. I don't believe that Oscar Pistorius shot his girlfriend by accident, but at the end of the day my beliefs don't matter a fcuk. It'll be a court that decides that and not some rabidly angry and faceless people on the internetz.

The_Kew_Tour · 04-03-2014 01:30AM

sopretty wrote: »

I have googled Mr. Gilligan. From my googling, as a young child, he witnessed his father beat his mother, which affected him greatly. He went into crime, as it was the only real option for him in Ballyfermot at the time - him being probably somewhat ambitious and in possession of a few brain cells.
He fell into crime.
He was acquitted of Veronica Guerin's murder.
He served the longest sentence in the history of the State for drug possession, even considering the shortened length on appeal. Many believe this was unlawful, exemplary and unjust and a way of punishing him without conviction for his alleged murder of Veronica.
While the guy is not the pope, he has spent 17 years in prison. 17 years with limited contact via phone to the human race, limited human contact, limited contact in all ways to society apart from within prison walls.
While he may come out looking like an arrogant little prick, he's a person too. At some point he was a baby and a little boy. Watching his mother being beaten by his father.
I wish we would start to look backwards from the crime to the cause. And try to prevent history repeating itself.

Plenty of people have suffered abuse in the past and not turned out like this man.

The man must be held accountable for what he did.

He made that choice nobody else.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 04-03-2014 01:34AM

sopretty wrote: »

I have googled Mr. Gilligan. From my googling, as a young child, he witnessed his father beat his mother, which affected him greatly. He went into crime, as it was the only real option for him in Ballyfermot at the time - him being probably somewhat ambitious and in possession of a few brain cells.
He fell into crime.
He was acquitted of Veronica Guerin's murder.
He served the longest sentence in the history of the State for drug possession, even considering the shortened length on appeal. Many believe this was unlawful, exemplary and unjust and a way of punishing him without conviction for his alleged murder of Veronica.
While the guy is not the pope, he has spent 17 years in prison. 17 years with limited contact via phone to the human race, limited human contact, limited contact in all ways to society apart from within prison walls.
While he may come out looking like an arrogant little prick, he's a person too. At some point he was a baby and a little boy. Watching his mother being beaten by his father.
I wish we would start to look backwards from the crime to the cause. And try to prevent history repeating itself.

A person does make a conscious choice to get involved though, you can only use their background and circumstances as a mitigating factor up to a point in my view. The majority of people who have sh1tty childhoods don't veer off in this direction in life. It wasn't his only option, like you mentioned he must possess a degree of intelligence and ambition for rising as high as he did in the underworld, he could have attempted to apply that to legitimate work and business.

Taffy Kat · 04-03-2014 01:36AM

sopretty wrote: »

I have googled Mr. Gilligan. From my googling, as a young child, he witnessed his father beat his mother, which affected him greatly. He went into crime, as it was the only real option for him in Ballyfermot at the time - him being probably somewhat ambitious and in possession of a few brain cells.
He fell into crime.
He was acquitted of Veronica Guerin's murder.
He served the longest sentence in the history of the State for drug possession, even considering the shortened length on appeal. Many believe this was unlawful, exemplary and unjust and a way of punishing him without conviction for his alleged murder of Veronica.
While the guy is not the pope, he has spent 17 years in prison. 17 years with limited contact via phone to the human race, limited human contact, limited contact in all ways to society apart from within prison walls.
While he may come out looking like an arrogant little prick, he's a person too. At some point he was a baby and a little boy. Watching his mother being beaten by his father.
I wish we would start to look backwards from the crime to the cause. And try to prevent history repeating itself.

end of the road wrote: »

nothing, he's served his time

I agree with the idea of looking at the cause of crime, and addressing it. However, not every person who is born into poor circumstances, not everyone who is short of a few brain cells, not everyone who witnesses domestic violence turns out to be a drug-dealing allegedly murdering scumbag. To suggest that sympathy should be shown him because of his past, or because he's served his time, a time I consider far too short for what I believe he has done, makes me sick to my core. I think that, on the one had, crime is caused by too great a division between rich and poor, and I am a very strong socialist so I do believe very greatly that this division should and must be minimised and moved away from the excesses that are present in today's society. On the other hand, I think crime is encouraged because people, like Gilligan, get away with things far too easily. Personally, I would hang drug-dealers because they prey on suffering, and think nothing of drug addicts with wrecked lives, with no hope, dying horrible deaths. Personally, I would hang murderers too. And I don't even want to begin on what I would do with paedophiles.

That might not fit in with the "its cool to be liberal, and anyone who isn't a liberal is a scumbag" fashion of today's society, but its my belief and I'm sticking to it.

Rightly or wrongly, I see Gilligan as the man who did all the things I listed above, including the things to Veronica Guerin that he allegedly did. I see no excuse for that kind of behaviour in being born into poor circumstances, being thick, or witnessing domestic abuse. Indeed, if he was so hurt by the abuse he witnessed, why didn't he develop into someone who abhorred violence?

I make no apologies for being hardline. I am not authoritarian, indeed I probably quite comfortably fit into the libertarian section of politics. I also believe that prison should be about rehabilitation, not punishment. However, I personally do not believe that Gilligan has paid for his crimes, certainly not all of them.

If it offends others that me wishing he suffers or dies, then so be it. You can't please everyone. However, please understand that just as much as my attitude sickens ye to the core, so does your's make me want to vomit. There is a woman who is dead nearly twenty years, who did no wrong, who had a son who was threatened with rape and murder, she herself was beaten viciously more than once, was essentially sexually assaulted and had her house shot up more than once. The man who allegedly did all that is walking free, probably receiving money from the state in the form of dole or some other form and is as happy as Larry. Sorry, but that sticks in my throat. He, and none of his ilk, may never affect my life. On the other hand, they may do. I have a wife and family myself. I just hope our lives are never affected in the way the Guerin's have been.

You can call me all the names under the Sun, I will not conform to liberal doctrines that say that man should be able to enjoy the rest of his life. If that offends you, sorry, but get on with it. As I said, your attitudes offend me just as much as mine offend you.

sopretty · 04-03-2014 01:47AM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

I agree with the idea of looking at the cause of crime, and addressing it. However, not every person who is born into poor circumstances, not everyone who is short of a few brain cells, not everyone who witnesses domestic violence turns out to be a drug-dealing allegedly murdering scumbag. To suggest that sympathy should be shown him because of his past, or because he's served his time, a time I consider far too short for what I believe he has done, makes me sick to my core. I think that, on the one had, crime is caused by too great a division between rich and poor, and I am a very strong socialist so I do believe very greatly that this division should and must be minimised and moved away from the excesses that are present in today's society. On the other hand, I think crime is encouraged because people, like Gilligan, get away with things far too easily. Personally, I would hang drug-dealers because they prey on suffering, and think nothing of drug addicts with wrecked lives, with no hope, dying horrible deaths. Personally, I would hang murderers too. And I don't even want to begin on what I would do with paedophiles.

That might not fit in with the "its cool to be liberal, and anyone who isn't a liberal is a scumbag" fashion of today's society, but its my belief and I'm sticking to it.

Rightly or wrongly, I see Gilligan as the man who did all the things I listed above, including the things to Veronica Guerin that he allegedly did. I see no excuse for that kind of behaviour in being born into poor circumstances, being thick, or witnessing domestic abuse. Indeed, if he was so hurt by the abuse he witnessed, why didn't he develop into someone who abhorred violence?

I make no apologies for being hardline. I am not authoritarian, indeed I probably quite comfortably fit into the libertarian section of politics. I also believe that prison should be about rehabilitation, not punishment. However, I personally do not believe that Gilligan has paid for his crimes, certainly not all of them.

If it offends others that me wishing he suffers or dies, then so be it. You can't please everyone. However, please understand that just as much as my attitude sickens ye to the core, so does your's make me want to vomit. There is a woman who is dead nearly twenty years, who did no wrong, who had a son who was threatened with rape and murder, she herself was beaten viciously more than once, was essentially sexually assaulted and had her house shot up more than once. The man who allegedly did all that is walking free, probably receiving money from the state in the form of dole or some other form and is as happy as Larry. Sorry, but that sticks in my throat. He, and none of his ilk, may never affect my life. On the other hand, they may do. I have a wife and family myself. I just hope our lives are never affected in the way the Guerin's have been.

You can call me all the names under the Sun, I will not conform to liberal doctrines that say that man should be able to enjoy the rest of his life. If that offends you, sorry, but get on with it. As I said, your attitudes offend me just as much as mine offend you.

Taffy, you are entitled to your voice and opinion. I'm pretty clear now that you are quite closely linked to Veronica, in my opinion. This must all be incredibly painful, even 17 years in and despite the lack of any conviction. I don't know, if it helps you to vocalise your thoughts, go for it! Once you don't act on them!

Gatling · 04-03-2014 01:50AM

The sooner he's truely punished the better ,

SingItOut · 04-03-2014 01:55AM

sopretty wrote: »

despite the lack of any conviction. I don't know, if it helps you to vocalise your thoughts, go for it!

There was a conviction. Brian Meehan murdered Veronica gueran and is now in jail for it.

Riddle101 · 04-03-2014 01:58AM

sopretty wrote: »

I have googled Mr. Gilligan. From my googling, as a young child, he witnessed his father beat his mother, which affected him greatly. He went into crime, as it was the only real option for him in Ballyfermot at the time - him being probably somewhat ambitious and in possession of a few brain cells.
He fell into crime.
He was acquitted of Veronica Guerin's murder.
He served the longest sentence in the history of the State for drug possession, even considering the shortened length on appeal. Many believe this was unlawful, exemplary and unjust and a way of punishing him without conviction for his alleged murder of Veronica.
While the guy is not the pope, he has spent 17 years in prison. 17 years with limited contact via phone to the human race, limited human contact, limited contact in all ways to society apart from within prison walls.
While he may come out looking like an arrogant little prick, he's a person too. At some point he was a baby and a little boy. Watching his mother being beaten by his father.
I wish we would start to look backwards from the crime to the cause. And try to prevent history repeating itself.

Please don't give us a sob story about him having a tough childhood or something. You make it seem like he's just a misunderstood person or something. There are plenty of people who have had it tough (my father in particular had a similar background to him). They still manage to stay clean and have a normal life. Either way it still doesn't make any difference. He's a degenerate lowlife scumbag. He'll find no sympathy from me.

RollieFingers · 04-03-2014 01:58AM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

I agree with the idea of looking at the cause of crime, and addressing it. However, not every person who is born into poor circumstances, not everyone who is short of a few brain cells, not everyone who witnesses domestic violence turns out to be a drug-dealing allegedly murdering scumbag. To suggest that sympathy should be shown him because of his past, or because he's served his time, a time I consider far too short for what I believe he has done, makes me sick to my core. I think that, on the one had, crime is caused by too great a division between rich and poor, and I am a very strong socialist so I do believe very greatly that this division should and must be minimised and moved away from the excesses that are present in today's society. On the other hand, I think crime is encouraged because people, like Gilligan, get away with things far too easily. Personally, I would hang drug-dealers because they prey on suffering, and think nothing of drug addicts with wrecked lives, with no hope, dying horrible deaths. Personally, I would hang murderers too. And I don't even want to begin on what I would do with paedophiles.

That might not fit in with the "its cool to be liberal, and anyone who isn't a liberal is a scumbag" fashion of today's society, but its my belief and I'm sticking to it.

Rightly or wrongly, I see Gilligan as the man who did all the things I listed above, including the things to Veronica Guerin that he allegedly did. I see no excuse for that kind of behaviour in being born into poor circumstances, being thick, or witnessing domestic abuse. Indeed, if he was so hurt by the abuse he witnessed, why didn't he develop into someone who abhorred violence?

I make no apologies for being hardline. I am not authoritarian, indeed I probably quite comfortably fit into the libertarian section of politics. I also believe that prison should be about rehabilitation, not punishment. However, I personally do not believe that Gilligan has paid for his crimes, certainly not all of them.

If it offends others that me wishing he suffers or dies, then so be it. You can't please everyone. However, please understand that just as much as my attitude sickens ye to the core, so does your's make me want to vomit. There is a woman who is dead nearly twenty years, who did no wrong, who had a son who was threatened with rape and murder, she herself was beaten viciously more than once, was essentially sexually assaulted and had her house shot up more than once. The man who allegedly did all that is walking free, probably receiving money from the state in the form of dole or some other form and is as happy as Larry. Sorry, but that sticks in my throat. He, and none of his ilk, may never affect my life. On the other hand, they may do. I have a wife and family myself. I just hope our lives are never affected in the way the Guerin's have been.

You can call me all the names under the Sun, I will not conform to liberal doctrines that say that man should be able to enjoy the rest of his life. If that offends you, sorry, but get on with it. As I said, your attitudes offend me just as much as mine offend you.

Hang drug dealers?

sopretty · 04-03-2014 02:03AM

Riddle101 wrote: »

Please don't give us a sob story about him having a tough childhood or something. You make it seem like he's just a misunderstood person or something. There are plenty of people who have had it tough (my father in particular had a similar background to him). They still manage to stay clean and have a normal life. Either way it still doesn't make any difference. He's a degenerate lowlife scumbag. He'll find no sympathy from me.

It's not a sob story.

Gatling · 04-03-2014 02:05AM

sopretty wrote: »

It's not a sob story.

Its a sob story for all to see

Baze · 04-03-2014 02:05AM

Gatling wrote: »

What do you all reckon aul gillian is listening to on his IPod at the moment..

After Tupac was shot and hit by five bullets, he wrote Hit 'Em Up and so ominously (if Gilligan is indeed a rap fan) perhaps:

"Who shot me? ..but you punks didn't finish. Now you about to feel the wrath of a menace."

John Gilligan Shot

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