Paedophile Information Exchange and Labour (UK)

ClovenHoof · 02-03-2014 11:52PM #1

Bureaucracy gone psycho. When I read something like this I really do wonder what is the actual purpose of civil liberties are in the modern age. Protect the vulnerable or declare open season on them?

All during the Jimmy Savile era.

PIE members were lobbying NCCL officials for the age of consent to be reduced and campaigning for “paedophile love”.

Their view that children were not harmed by having sex with adults appears to have been adopted by those at the top of the civil liberties group.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/462604/We-can-t-prove-sex-with-children-does-them-harm-says-Labour-linked-NCCL

Muise... · 03-03-2014 12:10AM

Your masterful way of smearing a sensitive issue all over a toilet wall of a thread never ceases to amaze me OP.

ClovenHoof · 03-03-2014 12:13AM

Muise... wrote: »

Your masterful way of smearing a sensitive issue all over a toilet wall of a thread never ceases to amaze me OP.

Raping children is not a sensitive issue. It's a barbaric one.

Muise... · 03-03-2014 12:22AM

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Raping children is not a sensitive issue. It's a barbaric one.

Conflating it with civil liberties and tabloiding your first nanothoughts on the matter is fairly crude, if not barbaric, too.

ClovenHoof · 03-03-2014 12:27AM

Muise... wrote: »

Conflating it with civil liberties and tabloiding your first nanothoughts on the matter is fairly crude, if not barbaric, too.

^^^ using word salad does not have the same impact.

Femme_Fatale · 03-03-2014 12:28AM

The Daily Express makes The Daily Mail look balanced. And reader comments are just gonna be from the tard brigade.

Here's the article from a more balanced, non-reader-comment-facilitating source: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26352378

Mad stuff in fairness. :eek:

Amirani · 03-03-2014 12:33AM

This took place about 40 years ago. It's completely wrong of course but so was:

Eugenics
Slavery
Institutionalised Racism
Lack of Female voting rights
Institutionalised Homophobia
Magdalene Launderies
Lack of divorce rights

Yet all of these things were at one point deemed fine and appropriate by "enlightened" members of society in their time (particularly something like eugenics, which was fully supported by most of the scientific community pre-Nazism). It's great that we have hindsight in looking back at some of these things.

A much more balanced article about the whole affair from the Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/28/paedophilia-generation-mail-nccl

Femme_Fatale · 03-03-2014 12:36AM

NiallSparky wrote: »

This took place about 40 years ago. It's completely wrong of course but so was:
Eugenics

Slavery

Institutionalised Racism

Lack of Female voting rights

Institutionalised Homophobia

Magdalene Launderies

Lack of divorce rights

Yet all of these things were at one point deemed fine and appropriate by "enlightened" members of society in their time (particularly something like eugenics, which was fully supported by most of the scientific community pre-Nazism). It's great that we have hindsight in looking back at some of these things.

I'm still astounded that there was support for this organisation even as late as the early 80s.
No wonder Savile thrived.

It's actually mad to read all this "what about free speech?" and some liberalism gone nuts... from the 1970s. It's like today.

tritium · 03-03-2014 12:41AM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

The Daily Express makes The Daily Mail look balanced. And reader comments are just gonna be from the tard brigade.

Here's the article from a more balanced, non-reader-comment-facilitating source: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26352378

Mad stuff in fairness. :eek:

Jesus some of that stuff is pretty rough and bat sh1t crazy

To be fair the Express and Mail have been running a bit of an agenda on this for a while. Doesn't mean that certain prominent figures don't have some serious soul searching to do though

Ulysses Gaze · 03-03-2014 12:41AM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

The Daily Express makes The Daily Mail look balanced. And reader comments are just gonna be from the tard brigade.

Here's the article from a more balanced, non-reader-comment-facilitating source: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26352378

Mad stuff in fairness. :eek:

The BBC is not balanced. Very pro-Labour. And they ignored this story for nearly 2 weeks until it became such big news they had to start covering it.

Muise... · 03-03-2014 12:42AM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I'm still astounded that there was support for this organisation even as late as the early 80s.

From what I've read, the support consisted of allowing PIE to subscribe to the NCCL. They sound a bit like the People's Front of Judea when it comes to organisation and ideology, to be honest, but go on any vaguely left-wing march today and you'll find yourself in some fairly freaky and downright unsavoury company.

Femme_Fatale · 03-03-2014 12:43AM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

The BBC is not balanced. Very pro-Labour. And they ignored this story for nearly 2 weeks until it became such big news they had to start covering it.

Some view it as leftie heaven, others view it as part of the old guard establishment. I think it's somewhere in the middle so I would view it as more balanced than a lot of media outlets.

mike65 · 03-03-2014 12:46AM

Post hippy/freelove mentality run riot really, still its nothing unique to Britain - in Denmark ("consenting") children and (unconsenting) animals were fair game in porn between 1968 and 1980 when common sense kicked in. The only good thing to come out of that era was music and movies the rest was utter sh1te - racists, fascists, commies, beige carpet, Austin Allegros, 3 day weeks, Carlos the Jackal, 98p in the pound supertax, never-ending strikes, IRA, UDA, PLO, RAF etc etc!

Terrible era.

Muise... · 03-03-2014 12:53AM

mike65 wrote: »

Post hippy/freelove mentality run riot really, still its nothing unique to Britain - in Denmark ("consenting") children and (unconsenting) animals were fair game in porn between 1968 and 1980 when common sense kicked in. The only good thing to come out of that era was music and movies the rest was utter sh1te - racists, fascists, commies, beige carpet, Austin Allegros, 3 day weeks, Carlos the Jackal, 98p in the pound supertax, never-ending strikes, IRA, UDA, PLO, RAF etc etc!

Terrible era.

ah yeah, 1968, the music...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nX7pX7JhsM

Frank Garrett · 03-03-2014 01:05AM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Some view it as leftie heaven, others view it as part of the old guard establishment. I think it's somewhere in the middle so I would view it as more balanced than a lot of media outlets.

You also believe Politics.ie deserves to be trolled because it doesn't pander to lefties like Boards.ie does, s it's no surprise you're defending the BBC.

Nodin · 03-03-2014 01:16AM

Frank Garrett wrote: »

You also believe Politics.ie deserves to be trolled because it doesn't pander to lefties like Boards.ie does, s it's no surprise you're defending the BBC.

What's wrong there Frank? You seem a tad upset.

BorneTobyWilde · 03-03-2014 01:28AM

Whole African Continent has no problem with it. And it is 2014.
Are they all wrong. Marrying kids in widespread on african continent.

Lux23 · 03-03-2014 01:31AM

The age of consent is 12 - 14 in other European countries and incest isn't illegal in many too. Still though, I think I like our values regarding sex and children.

And yes the African congress are wrong, young girls shouldn't be forced to marry old men.

BorneTobyWilde · 03-03-2014 01:38AM

Celine Dion met her husband when she was 11, they became lovers.
I think the issue is love V abuse .
PIE seemed to think they had every right to campaign to win the right to legally abuse kids.

Femme_Fatale · 03-03-2014 01:53AM

Frank Garrett wrote: »

it's no surprise you're defending the BBC.

Yeh because the BBC is such a cesspit of depravity. How could anyone defend it.

Weird, random post. Don't know what the first weirdo bit of it is about, but maybe it's in relation to something I said one time that has been taken out of context. Politics.ie is full of tards indeed though, both left and right.

porsche959 · 03-03-2014 01:57AM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Politics.ie is full of tards indeed though, both left and right.

Unfortunately a small number of defenders of child abuse are also active on that website.

PIE may not exist in an organised fashion today, but I have found that there are people on the internet willing to defend child abuse. Why they do so, I can only speculate at.

porsche959 · 03-03-2014 01:59AM

tritium wrote: »

To be fair the Express and Mail have been running a bit of an agenda on this for a while. Doesn't mean that certain prominent figures don't have some serious soul searching to do though

The Mail have an agenda with the current articles, but have done excellent reporting on child abuse issues, e.g. see here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-523706/I-known-Jersey-paedophiles-15-years-says-award-winning-journalist.html

Henry9 · 03-03-2014 02:06AM

NiallSparky wrote: »

This took place about 40 years ago. It's completely wrong of course but so was:
Eugenics

Slavery

Institutionalised Racism

Lack of Female voting rights

Institutionalised Homophobia

Magdalene Launderies

Lack of divorce rights

Yet all of these things were at one point deemed fine and appropriate by "enlightened" members of society in their time (particularly something like eugenics, which was fully supported by most of the scientific community pre-Nazism). It's great that we have hindsight in looking back at some of these things.

A much more balanced article about the whole affair from the Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/28/paedophilia-generation-mail-nccl

And don't forget sexual harassment, which was tolerated as normal in the 1970s but is regarded as unacceptable now.
But it was a different time so I don't expect there will be any repercussions today.

The Guardian is anything but balanced on the issue, merely going in to bat for one of their own.

This doozy for example:

Feminists began to learn about child sexual abuse in consciousness-raising groups, the first survey on the extent was done in the US in 1979, and when I began my PhD in 1980 it was not yet on the radar of social workers and police as a significant issue in the lives of children.

Because feminists hadn't yet gotten around to deciding that paedophilia was wrong nobody knew it yet.
Complete and utter nonsense.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/28/harriet-harman-non-debate-pie-nccl?commentpage=1

porsche959 · 03-03-2014 02:20AM

I wonder if parties other than Labour will be drawn into this, ho hum.

porsche959 · 03-03-2014 02:23AM

Henry9 wrote: »

And don't forget sexual harassment, which was tolerated as normal in the 1970s but is regarded as unacceptable now.
But it was a different time so I don't expect there will be any repercussions today.

The Guardian is anything but balanced on the issue, merely going in to bat for one of their own.

This doozy for example:

Feminists began to learn about child sexual abuse in consciousness-raising groups, the first survey on the extent was done in the US in 1979, and when I began my PhD in 1980 it was not yet on the radar of social workers and police as a significant issue in the lives of children.

Because feminists hadn't yet gotten around to deciding that paedophilia was wrong nobody knew it yet.
Complete and utter nonsense.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/28/harriet-harman-non-debate-pie-nccl?commentpage=1

That article is indeed nonsense and almost reads like a satire on leftwing feminism. But I would have to say in my experience most feminists are strongly anti-child abuse.

Femme_Fatale · 03-03-2014 02:28AM

Love how an attack on feminism even gets shoe-horned into a thread about a paedophile's rights movement. :pac:

efb · 03-03-2014 02:31AM

porsche959 wrote: »

The Mail have an agenda with the current articles, but have done excellent reporting on child abuse issues, e.g. see here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-523706/I-known-Jersey-paedophiles-15-years-says-award-winning-journalist.html

When not posting suggestive pics of teens

porsche959 · 03-03-2014 02:33AM

Yes, Labour politicians need to answer questions about PIE and NCCL, but so do the Tories about Morrison, and the Lib Dems about Smith

http://ianpace.wordpress.com/2014/02/25/yes-labour-politicians-need-to-answer-questions-about-pie-and-nccl-but-so-do-the-tories-about-morrison-and-the-lib-dems-about-smith/

porsche959 · 03-03-2014 02:38AM

efb wrote: »

When not posting suggestive pics of teens

Suggestive pics of teens are sleazy and exploitative, but not child abuse imagery in the legal sense.

PIE was an organisation that lobbied for reducing the age of consent to 4, contained in its membership many practising child abusers and persons involved in the consumption and possibly production of child abuse imagery, and obtained government grants worth £400k in today's money - a matter which hopefully is under police investigation as to what precisely they did with that money.

So, there's really no comparison between the Mail publishing photos of celebrity teens in bikinis - which I agree is wrong and exploitative - and the PIE organisation.

The Mail can be a disgrace at times but when it produces excellent investigate journalism, as in the articles by Eileen Fairweather about connected child abuse networks, then in my view it should be supported.

CrazyRabbit · 03-03-2014 03:35AM

Muise... wrote: »

From what I've read, the support consisted of allowing PIE to subscribe to the NCCL. They sound a bit like the People's Front of Judea when it comes to organisation and ideology, to be honest, but go on any vaguely left-wing march today and you'll find yourself in some fairly freaky and downright unsavoury company.

Sounds more like the Judean Peoples Front.

porsche959 · 03-03-2014 06:08AM

Islington Care Homes
A chronology of press cuttings.
With thanks to Murun Buchstansangur at spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com.

http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/operation-greenlight/london/islington/islington-care-homes/

Margaret Hodge attempts to talk her way out of Islington paedophile scandal

In yesterday’s Guardian, Margaret Hodge spoke about her time as leader of Islington Council, when it was proved that a paedophile network had been sexually abusing vulnerable children in every one of the council’s children’s homes.

http://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/margaret-hodge-attempts-to-talk-her-way-out-of-islington-paedophile-scandal/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExesKzD3glY#t=405

Paedophile Information Exchange and Labour (UK)

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