John Gilligan Shot

AngryHippie · 03-03-2014 01:07AM

f u c k t h e l o s s

thestar · 03-03-2014 01:09AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Yes I would believe that ones previous criminal convictions would be brought up in court. However I can't see how information, not acted on before, that implies he is a murderer could be brought up. All that could be mentioned is proven convictions

Fred Swanson · 03-03-2014 01:20AM

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thestar · 03-03-2014 01:24AM

Whatever you reckon, its not a good idea to make sweeping claims and not knowing what your talking about.

Fred Swanson · 03-03-2014 01:31AM

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degsie · 03-03-2014 01:35AM

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00499/a58d63e8-73af-11e3-_499536b.jpg

Fred Swanson · 03-03-2014 01:41AM

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extra gravy · 03-03-2014 01:42AM

In relation to the other people in the house at the time and them being "innocent", I really don't think that anybody that in any way willingly associates themselves with a character like Gilligan can be classed as innocent. Family or not, if you'd be stupid enough to stay in a house he was also in and got injured, then you'd have only yourself to blame.

sopretty · 03-03-2014 01:45AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Seriously? Didn't they have long enough?

thestar · 03-03-2014 01:51AM

sopretty wrote: »

Seriously? Didn't they have long enough?

I believe what Swanson said to be untrue but at the same time I cant understand why the said article was published

Fred Swanson · 03-03-2014 01:53AM

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thestar · 03-03-2014 02:00AM

He is a convicted drug dealer. Drug dealer and murderer are two very different things. Anyway for all we know this may not have even been claimed in the Indo, no offence to anybody here but boards is not a very reliable source of information at times

Nidgeweasel · 03-03-2014 02:24AM

Sooner rather than later (and hopefully it's the former) he will come a cropper and won't be so lucky. Reports that he just missed being murdered around Christmas are pertinent too.

I for one will not be giving him or his odious wife the slightest bit of sympathy. A vile individual.

Nidgeweasel · 03-03-2014 02:27AM

extra gravy wrote: »

In relation to the other people in the house at the time and them being "innocent", I really don't think that anybody that in any way willingly associates themselves with a character like Gilligan can be classed as innocent. Family or not, if you'd be stupid enough to stay in a house he was also in and got injured, then you'd have only yourself to blame.

That's all well and good but what about a young niece or nephew. It's not their fault they've been born into that and are present at the time.

FourFourRED · 03-03-2014 02:30AM

Gilligan still hasn't text me back. Haven't been able to visit him in hosp either. Whats the latest?

Nidgeweasel · 03-03-2014 02:31AM

Aodhagan wrote: »

Gilligan still hasn't text me back. Haven't been able to visit him in hosp either. Whats the latest?

Cab have seized his trousers.

The_Kew_Tour · 03-03-2014 02:41AM

While I would not lose a second of sleep if he was murdered the people who are after him are no better.

Once they kill each other im ok, but hope nobody else gets hurt.

wonderfullife · 03-03-2014 04:28AM

Kristopherus wrote: »

You have it in lumps, mate. In this particular case an exception has to be made. Remember this cretin made thousands of lives miserable in the late 80's a most of the nineties.

Look i dont see the point in wishing any person horrendous suffering. I don't get it. I especially don't get it when it's coming from keyboard warriors on here who've never met the man, never been affected by the man and never likely to be; yet are infinitely happy to hope he dies a slow tortuous death.

Mandela said:

""Forgiveness liberates the soul, it removes fear. That's why it's such a powerful weapon."

It's pointless to wish suffering upon others. It creates a culture of negativity, resentment and bitterness.

I've always felt indifference and apathy is the way to treat people like him. Not care whether he lives or dies. Simply don't care. But don't waste any emotion or feeling on him either way.

And yeah i'm sure he's done some terrible stuff. The fact he served 17 years behind bars points to that.

But the other fact here is this will not end until he's dead and, in the meantime, there'll be bullets flying back and forward all over Dublin. Even when he's dead there'll be more reprisals. That seems to be the way gangs operate in most countries and the cycle is rarely snapped.

Incidentally, I've been told it was 3 bullets that hit him not 6. And told that as a cast iron fact by someone who was at Blanch hospital last night - and that he was conscious and talking too. The quote i was given "wouldn't believe everything you read".

wonderfullife · 03-03-2014 04:56AM

Taffy Kat wrote: »

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1. If he was a member of my family I would have disowned him long ago and if it was my child's christening he would have been told he had no place at it and would not be welcome. Would you, hand on heart, want that kind of man around your family? I saw a documentary a while back about surviving members of Hitler's family. They seemed very nice people, and they bear no responsibility for what Adolf did. However, every one of them said how embarrassed they were to be related to him.

Nowhere have I incited violence. I simply said I believe 2. he got what he deserves. He, allegedly, murdered or had murdered an innocent young mother, wife, sister, daughter etc. Veronica Guerin didn't deserve to die. He, allegedly, decided that she would. He also, allegedly, wrecked countless other lives with his drugs.

2b. Do I find violence abhorrent? Yes. Do I find those who carry it out even more abhorrent? Yes.

3. All this nonsense about him having paid his debt to society is tiresome. If he has then let him teach your children, or police the streets. Sure hasn't he paid off his debt?

1. For some people, family is family. Always will be.

My nans neighbours were the Murrays. They shot and killed a man (off duty Guard) in 1976 i think it was. Before i was born. From what i've read about them, they were idealistic anarchists who got involved with the Black Cross organisation and had some tangible links to the IRA. One botched bank robbery (escape) later, a man is dead, they are sentenced to death (commuted to life) and they served i think 17 years.

All i know, for a fact, is in the years i knew them i thought they were absolutely lovely people. I was 13 when they were released, didn't know they had even been in prison and i often chatted away to both. I literally couldn't believe it when i found out a few years later what they'd done. Lovely, soft spoken, humble people is what i thought of them.

All i know for certain is his mam, in her 80s when they were released, was the most amazing woman and i could certainly never tell she treated them with any less love due to what they had done.

Family is family. You can't choose who you get and for a lot of people the only choice you make is to give them your unconditional love and support for life.

2. So you dont believe in violence, find it abhorrent but argue any scumbag getting shot "had it coming" and fair is fair? Brilliant use of consistency.

3. Serving time, in theory, should mean you've paid some price for the crime you committed. It doesn't mean when you come out you are suddenly entitled to teach children or police the streets. That's a facetious strawman argument.

It means you paid a price for your actions.

People bang on about the fact he "allegedly" had involvement in this murder or that murder. I haven't a clue about all that.

What i know is he served the same sentence as my nans neighbours. Who categorically did kill someone. Lots of murderers get out in under 17 years in this country - which is sad in itself.

No, he doesn't deserve to be eligible to teach or police.....but he did pay a price for crimes committed. That entitles him to his liberty. In my opinion, no person legally entitled to their liberty deserves to be shot 3 times at a christening or any function.

AngryHippie · 03-03-2014 07:15AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

3. Serving time, in theory, should mean you've paid some price for the crime you committed.
It means you paid a price for your actions.
People bang on about the fact he "allegedly" had involvement in this murder or that murder. I haven't a clue about all that.
.....but he did pay a price for crimes committed. That entitles him to his liberty.

In theory it means you have paid some price for the crime you committed.

In practice, it means that he spent some years in confined comfort for the actions that he could be irrefutably found guilty of (the tip of the iceberg, and everyone knows it)
I'm not saying that being a drug dealer makes him scum of the earth, because that would put the likes of Howard Marks in the same category.
This chap is a violent, ruthless highly organized criminal, and the level of his violence peaked with the order for a hit on one of the country's brightest journalists in broad daylight on a public highway.
So lets put him back in the category he belongs in, with Pablo Escobar, Carlos Lehder and Frank Lucas.
We will never know the full extent of his involvement or the true number of hits, beatings and violent crimes in which he has had a word or a hand.

He has chosen a path of violent criminality, to use government resources to protect him from the backlash of his own actions is a total waste, despite the fact that he has "paid his debt" I don't believe he should be entitled to provision of security from the state when there are Garda Barracks all over the country lying vacant for want of the manpower, and elderly folk being terrorized in their rural homes for the want of manpower. The sooner he is in a hole in the ground the sooner he has filled his debt to society.

We owe him nothing.

You can wax lyrical about the inhumanity of it all day, but the fact of the matter is humanity will be better off with him gone. He's a waste of oxygen and drinking water.

Forgiveness indeed.
Perhaps if he had the capacity for the same, he might receive it in return.

Raider190 · 03-03-2014 09:16AM

carzony wrote: »

I have had many dealing with local Garda from Ballyfermot and Clondalkin (effectively the same Garda) A lot of them are actually very young and sound but a good few are lazy, ignorant bastard.s who should be on a dole que.

The problem is a lot of the Gardai are related and seem for whatever reason patrol all in that area.

Wonderful opinion from someone who is applying to join AGS.

tails_naf · 03-03-2014 09:36AM

Raider190 wrote: »

Wonderful opinion from someone who is applying to join AGS.

Maybe he's actually looking to make a difference? Then it is at least good that he is going in with eyes wide open. I don't for a second believe that any organization of 12,000 are all super hard working - do you?

Roger_007 · 03-03-2014 09:40AM

Question:- Why didn't they hire Oscar Pistorius to do the job on Gilligan. There's a man who knows how to shoot someone in a toilet!

Hitchens · 03-03-2014 09:44AM

Several family members visited the hospital yesterday but had no comment to make when approached by journalists, except: "I don't know how you sleep at night."

hatrickpatrick · 03-03-2014 09:57AM

People's acceptance of extra judicial punishment for those who "have it coming" are the primary reason that those in positions of authority in Ireland get away with so much bullsh!t. That is all.

Shady Tady · 03-03-2014 10:18AM

"You fly with the crows you get shot with the crows"

Rocket19 · 03-03-2014 10:30AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Evidence may come to light that may give the DPP grounds to prosecute him for other crimes such as murder.

I don't think that would happen, as the burden of proof lies with the defendant in Irish defamation cases.
He doesn't have to say anything, or prove he didn't commit the murder, so in that sense, I don't see why he shouldn't sue.

the_monkey · 03-03-2014 11:24AM

Some guy on PK on newstalk is saying "The good news is he'll make a full recovery" - Good news ????

prizefighter · 03-03-2014 11:49AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

Question:- Why didn't they hire Oscar Pistorius to do the job on Gilligan. There's a man who knows how to shoot someone in a toilet!

Because when he gets brought in front of a judge, he hasn't a leg to stand on.

awec · 03-03-2014 11:49AM

The Indo said he spent the day at Jessbrook. I thought the CAB stripped that from him?

John Gilligan Shot

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