your world 11?

shamrock55 · 28-02-2014 11:53PM

Anyone who thinks ibra is a better player than suarez needs to have a serious look at themselves, in fact as a goalscorer right now sturridge is better than ibra

Iused2likebusts · 01-03-2014 12:03AM

shamrock55 wrote: »

Anyone who thinks ibra is a better player than suarez needs to have a serious look at themselves, in fact as a goalscorer right now sturridge is better than ibra

there is certainly an argument for suarez and zlatan being of similar standard but no way is sturridge anywhere near that level.

Marty McFly · 01-03-2014 12:04AM

shamrock55 wrote: »

Anyone who thinks ibra is a better player than suarez needs to have a serious look at themselves, in fact as a goalscorer right now sturridge is better than ibra

:pac::pac::pac: I'm going to take a wild guess here and say your an incredibly biased Liverpool fan?

The_Kew_Tour · 01-03-2014 12:17AM

Anyway enough talk and more teams

MaroonAndGreen · 01-03-2014 12:21AM

In a 4-3-3 formation, I believe these are the best players in each position. (2nd choice is in brackets)

GK Neuer (Cech)
RB Lahm (Zabaleta)
CB Pique (Ramos)
CB Thiago Silva (Kompany)
LB Alaba (Marcelo)
CDM Busquets (Xabi Alonso)
CM Iniesta (Kroos)
CM Schweinsteiger (Yaya Toure)
RW Messi (Ribery)
LW Ronaldo (Bale)
ST Ibrahimovic (Suarez)

Have I missed any players in that 22?

Iused2likebusts · 01-03-2014 12:31AM

Neuer
lahm silva kompany alaba

Alonso Busquets

Ronaldo suarez Bale

Messi

Have never seen Vidal play so cant include him. 2 deep lying midfielders with busquets keeping it simple and alonso using his range of passing to utilise the pace out wide. Suarez and Messi alternating positions.

GLaDOS · 01-03-2014 12:33AM

Neuer
Lahm - T. Silva - Kompany - Alaba

Busquets

Vidal --- Toure
---Messi ---- Ibra ---- Ronaldo

Hulk Hands · 01-03-2014 12:35AM

Neuer

---Lahm

Thaigo Silva

Kompany

Alaba--

Busquets

Schweinsteiger

Iniesta

Ribery

Ronaldo

Messi

astonaidan · 01-03-2014 12:53AM

CSF wrote: »

Ibrahimovic is 32. You really have to judge him on his most recent year because as good as he is, he has past his peak.

When you compare the 2 players assist/goal ratios against the teams they've played this season. Suarez definitely wins IMO, and that's not even getting into how much more Suarez offers the team in terms of workrate.

How on earth has he been past his peak, how on earth have you jumped to that wild conclusion. Suarez runs about more than Zlatan, only in Ireland & GB does that make a player better. Christ but there is a lot off idiots in the soccer thread these days

CSF · 01-03-2014 12:55AM

astonaidan wrote: »

How on earth has he been past his peak, how on earth have you jumped to that wild conclusion. Suarez runs about more than Zlatan, only in Ireland & GB does that make a player better. Christ but there is a lot off idiots in the soccer thread these days

He is 32. That pretty much means he is past his peak, he is still absolutely quality, but physically he would have been at his best 2/3 years ago.

K-9 · 01-03-2014 12:59AM

astonaidan wrote: »

Suarez runs about more than Zlatan, only in Ireland & GB does that make a player better. Christ but there is a lot off idiots in the soccer thread these days

:eek:

Not G.R · 01-03-2014 01:02AM

K-9 wrote: »

:eek:

You have a Suarez sig... Let's here your completely objective opinion on this matter.

Edit: Serious lack of love for lewandowski and Costa.

Shanotheslayer · 01-03-2014 01:17AM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

In a 4-3-3 formation, I believe these are the best players in each position. (2nd choice is in brackets)

GK Neuer (Cech)
RB Lahm (Zabaleta)
CB Pique (Ramos)
CB Thiago Silva (Kompany)
LB Alaba (Marcelo)
CDM Busquets (Xabi Alonso)
CM Iniesta (Kroos)
CM Schweinsteiger (Yaya Toure)
RW Messi (Ribery)
LW Ronaldo (Bale)
ST Ibrahimovic (Suarez)

Have I missed any players in that 22?

Pique? He's having a shocker of a season. I'd have Kompany ahead of him

shamrock55 · 01-03-2014 01:20AM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

In a 4-3-3 formation, I believe these are the best players in each position. (2nd choice is in brackets)

GK Neuer (Cech)
RB Lahm (Zabaleta)
CB Pique (Ramos)
CB Thiago Silva (Kompany)
LB Alaba (Marcelo)
CDM Busquets (Xabi Alonso)
CM Iniesta (Kroos)
CM Schweinsteiger (Yaya Toure)
RW Messi (Ribery)
LW Ronaldo (Bale)
ST Ibrahimovic (Suarez)

Have I missed any players in that 22?

now thats a match id like to see, 2 very evenly matched teams there, not sure who would win

Alfred Borden · 01-03-2014 01:21AM

Neuer

Lahm

Kompany

Silva

Alaba

Vidal

Schweinsteiger

Toure

Messi

Ibrahimovic

Ronaldo

K-9 · 01-03-2014 01:31AM

Not G.R wrote: »

You have a Suarez sig... Let's here your completely objective opinion on this matter.

Edit: Serious lack of love for lewandowski and Costa.

Nah, the poster saying Suarez just runs a lot, and then calling others idiotic! The beauty of it.

I'd have Ibra over Suarez tbh but it isn't as clear cut as some are trying to make out. A 4-2-3-1 might get both in, Suarez's work rate would help him fit in, great work ethic and it's not just running around a lot!

astonaidan · 01-03-2014 01:39AM

CSF wrote: »

He is 32. That pretty much means he is past his peak, he is still absolutely quality, but physically he would have been at his best 2/3 years ago.

Zlatan isnt the sort off player that needs speed, strength isnt something that goes when you are 32 , if you watch him play youd notice that he has been getting better with age. Just because a player is 32 does not mean he is past his best, good thread gone to the dogs recently people seem to not be able to look past the teams they support.

astonaidan · 01-03-2014 01:45AM

K-9 wrote: »

Nah, the poster saying Suarez just runs a lot, and then calling others idiotic! The beauty of it.

I'd have Ibra over Suarez tbh but it isn't as clear cut as some are trying to make out. A 4-2-3-1 might get both in, Suarez's work rate would help him fit in, great work ethic and it's not just running around a lot!

Ah I wasnt saying Suarez just runs alot, didnt mean it to come across that way, people were using workrate as a yard stick to beat Zlatan. Something that well Ive never heard outside off Irish/British people.
Acutally been a fan off Suarez since Groningen, right now Id have him second best player in the league after Hazard. But no I wouldnt have him at Zlatans level

CSF · 01-03-2014 01:59AM

astonaidan wrote: »

Zlatan isnt the sort off player that needs speed, strength isnt something that goes when you are 32 , if you watch him play youd notice that he has been getting better with age. Just because a player is 32 does not mean he is past his best, good thread gone to the dogs recently people seem to not be able to look past the teams they support.

I don't support Liverpool and prefer Ibrahimovic as a player than Suarez. Speed and stamina are important for all players. I do watch him play, I would say his peak was probably 4 years ago in that season at Barca where he was unstoppable only for Guardiola to change his game to accomodate Messi.

Being 32 pretty much does mean a player is past their peak, unless of course they're a goalkeeper.

astonaidan · 01-03-2014 02:08AM

CSF wrote: »

I don't support Liverpool and prefer Ibrahimovic as a player than Suarez. Speed and stamina are important for all players. I do watch him play, I would say his peak was probably 4 years ago in that season at Barca where he was unstoppable only for Guardiola to change his game to accomodate Messi.

Being 32 pretty much does mean a player is past their peak, unless of course they're a goalkeeper.

You see this is where I disagree mostly with you, speed isnt the most important trait off every player, now a player like Walcott/Agbonlahor would not be half the players they are without speed and you will see a big drop off in there output in there 30's. Players like Zlatan, Xavi and Pirlo certainly keep there peak level a lot longer. As for stamina a player like Gerrard, Rooney will lose there peak earlier as its a big part off there game. But not every player has the same peak age. Its well nonsense to think so

CSF · 01-03-2014 02:20AM

astonaidan wrote: »

You see this is where I disagree mostly with you, speed isnt the most important trait off every player, now a player like Walcott/Agbonlahor would not be half the players they are without speed and you will see a big drop off in there output in there 30's. Players like Zlatan, Xavi and Pirlo certainly keep there peak level a lot longer. As for stamina a player like Gerrard, Rooney will lose there peak earlier as its a big part off there game. But not every player has the same peak age. Its well nonsense to think so

There can be other factors that lead to a player playing better in their 30s, (different manager or the players around them) but their physical peak when they're at the highest of their capabilities is usually uniform enough for players of a particular position/role. When they use those capabilities to the fullest can be age based on a variety of factors, some of them mental, but in terms of a player's ceiling of ability, the age is fairly uniform.

Which brings me back to my original point, that when judging a player of an age that would be typically past that peak age, they need to be judged on their most recent seasons, for Zlatan that holds up very well of course. For Suarez I'd personally say even better.

astonaidan · 01-03-2014 02:35AM

CSF wrote: »

There can be other factors that lead to a player playing better in their 30s, (different manager or the players around them) but their physical peak when they're at the highest of their capabilities is usually uniform enough for players of a particular position/role. When they use those capabilities to the fullest can be age based on a variety of factors, some of them mental, but in terms of a player's ceiling of ability, the age is fairly uniform.

Which brings me back to my original point, that when judging a player of an age that would be typically past that peak age, they need to be judged on their most recent seasons, for Zlatan that holds up very well of course. For Suarez I'd personally say even better.

I think we are just going to keep disagreeing on the peak thing so we will leave it.

For Zlatans last last two seasons he has topped scored in two different leagues on the way to improving his tally from last season in Ligue 1 and is second in the champions league.
For this season there is one goal between them in the league, equal in assists. But Zlatans level off play in the Champions League sees him come off better.

01-03-2014 02:36AM

shamrock55 wrote: »

now thats a match id like to see, 2 very evenly matched teams there, not sure who would win

I'd probably go for the team with the 2 best players of all time.

Y2KBOS86 · 01-03-2014 02:53AM

Liam O wrote: »

I'd probably go for the team with the 2 best players of all time.

Are they?

It's still debatable whether Ronaldo is better than the brazilian one at his peak.

Messi isn't as good as his predecessor Ronaldinho either imo, stats wise he is maybe.

In terms of pure entertainment and skill, he's no way near him, my father who doesn't even watch soccer would sit down and watch him play.

Neither Messi or Ronaldo have that appeal.

Greatest ever, no.

The_Kew_Tour · 01-03-2014 03:09AM

A person to dash both Ronaldo and Messi, now thats a first!

MaroonAndGreen · 01-03-2014 03:09AM

Y2KBOS86 wrote: »

Are they?

It's still debatable whether Ronaldo is better than the brazilian one at his peak.

Messi isn't as good as his predecessor Ronaldinho either imo, stats wise he is maybe.

In terms of pure entertainment and skill, he's no way near him, my father who doesn't even watch soccer would sit down and watch him play.

Neither Messi or Ronaldo have that appeal.

Greatest ever, no.

Why do they have to appeal to people who dont watch the sport?

Is it not far more important that many people who watch it, and are experts in it think Messi is the greatest ever?

Y2KBOS86 · 01-03-2014 03:14AM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Why do they have to appeal to people who dont watch the sport?

Who did/do you prefer to watch, Dinho or Messi?

CSF · 01-03-2014 03:18AM

astonaidan wrote: »

I think we are just going to keep disagreeing on the peak thing so we will leave it.

For Zlatans last last two seasons he has topped scored in two different leagues on the way to improving his tally from last season in Ligue 1 and is second in the champions league.
For this season there is one goal between them in the league, equal in assists. But Zlatans level off play in the Champions League sees him come off better.

The figures aren't comparable though, Zlatan plays in a very poor league compared to the big 3, for a team who are good enough to compete with the best of the big 3 and are odds on to win pretty much every game. They're also yet to come up against a big hitter in the Champions League this season. Serie A isn't up there with the big 3 leagues either with the exception of Juventus. The strongest side that Zlatan would have had to face this season would have been Monaco, Leverkusen or Benfica. His stats have been great, Zlatan is absolutely ****ing fantastic but all of that has to be taken into account.

Suarez on the other hand has had to be the driving force in taking a previously weak Premiership side who can't defend, into title contention, all of this in a super competitive league like the Premiership, this seasons probably being one of the most competitive of all.

For Suarez's stats to be pretty identical to Ibra's in spite of all that is a massive feather in his cap and when you add in all the extras he gives the team in terms of movement and workrate it is hard to see a better attacking player than him in the world, outside of the 2 obvious guys who are a distance better than everyone.

MaroonAndGreen · 01-03-2014 03:22AM

Y2KBOS86 wrote: »

Who did/do you prefer to watch, Dinho or Messi?

No doubt Ronaldinho was a better entertainer and trickster, but that doesnt mean hes better.

Messi has affected more big football games, and won more big football games for his team, than Ronaldinho did. That counts for more than us being entertained.

Y2KBOS86 · 01-03-2014 03:23AM

Premiership lol.

Zlatan would have wiped the floor with premiership defenders.

Van Persie was top goal scorer last few seasons and Zlatan is way better than him ( coming from an Arsenal fan )

Man is awesome, could you imagine him playing upfront for United or Arsenal he would have buried teams.

your world 11?

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