Obtaining the Identity of Private Security Authority members

Assume it is not in a pub or night club scenario, so no question of drunkenness.

These security men operate e.g. in many government offices open to the public

Thanks.

I see the list.

However, it does not tell me who the individual is - rather just a list of all individuals/contractors who hold a licence.

If an individual does not have the ID displayed, then is he obliged to give me his name?

Otherwise, how do I know from Adam who he is ?

Mikros wrote: »

Unless you are a member of An Garda Siochana there is no obligation for them to give you their name. They must display an identity badge if they are in a prescribed category - door men and static security (with some exceptions). The badge must be visible and legible. If the badge is not displayed where required it is an offence, but that still doesn't entitle you to their name - you would have to make a complaint to the PSA.

I don't think it is an offence not to display the badge - I don't think there is any penalty for not displaying it (?)

Holsten wrote: »

You can lose your PSA licence.

In reality that will not happen though will it?

The PSA is getting money from its members (yearly?)

How many members actually lose their licence unless they have (and it is proven) committed some serious breach of the legislation/rules?

I note in the legislation that as 'punishment' while a licence can be los there are other levels of penalty - one of which is 'advice' which means telling the memebr not to do it again nd be on your way

gavindublin wrote: »

Are they working for an agency, brinks or group 4 for example. Or are they employed direct??

I understand you want to be vague in the details, but it was for this particular reason that names were taken off the front of the license. It ends up as a witch hunt.

Can you give anymore information on the need to know

I need to make a complaint. Bullying and humiliation tactics were used.

In certain government offices, it would seem that some staff for whatever reason seem to attempt to escalate a problem.

When one argues ones point in a civil fashion, one is approached and asked to leave by security. When one protests that one is attempting to finish ones business, it is escalated by security in a rambo-esque fashion

I am not willing to be treated in this fashion any longer


Do not know if it is company as the badge was reversed


It appears that he is not obliged to give his name.

I must read it from his badge and risk another escalation



On a related note, what actual powers do these people posess?

They cannot assault

They cannot ask one to leave as they do not own the premises

If not causing alarm, then trespass is a civil matter

So what is the point of them except as a supposed 'physical deterrent'????

gavindublin wrote: »

They weren't taken off, they were moved. When the license came out they put our names on the front. Most refused to wear
them because of the drunken idiot problem in pubs/clubs. So they moved the name to the back with your signature under it. You wont see this as it'll be in a card holder, arm band.

That would not seem to correlate to post # 15

gavindublin wrote: »

Can you physically be picked up and thrown out, not a great idea unless your throeing rocks at people! Can I stand in from of you and usher, nudge you out yes.

no nudging - ANY contact is assault - even if I reasonably think I am going to be assaulted THAT is an offence - sec 2 Non fatal 1997 (iirc)

I can be asked to leave, I do not have to follow the direction.

Unless I am causing alarm or intent to cause an offence, trespass is a civil matter

What actually gives the security gaurd the right to interupt one's business and raise his voice???

There is no way a member of AGS or a judge would be spoken to in the way some of these people speak to others


I am not against security.

In a certain office, there would seem to be an air of rambo - esque and humilating behaviour that I should not have and am no longer prepared to take.


There would seem to be very much an air of superiority and treating people as second class citizens. Hovering around people, listening in on their business is another irksome trait.

I see no other purpose for the security here than a bullying threat

gavindublin wrote: »

Under these conditions I agree completely. You know yourself the law, and the application of the law differ.

But from the issues you've noted the only grivence you can make with the psa is that their badge is backwards. They can be difficult and lengthy to deal with.

From my own position, which would be one of an employer of people you have the problem with, your first point of call is with the employer and not the psa.

Does that mean the employer e.g g4s/the contractor or the government agency?



If they do not have to disclose a name (or a contractor's name), i am back in square one

Apart from the backwards badge, ones only option is to examine if the gent in question has broken any law by raising his voice or interupting ones business.

I could think of - at a very very long shot - harrassment

I am also thinking of threatening behaviour- whereby I think that must occur in a public place

One thing is for sure, if I did it to someone on the street, I would be prosecuted

All the loudness/talking over/intimidation was coming from security

Staff continually talking over in an aggressive but more condescending and not allowing one to make ones point.

Indeed, security also breached into the area of defamation

It is an office that deals a lot with the public

They seem to have a way (as is said of many members of AGS also ) of escalating a situation to attempt make it look as if the citizen is at fault

I think, they believe - right or wrong - that as they are security they will be rather believed by AGS than the citizen and that the citizen will 'wet his pants' if AGS are called

Not so.



As to physical removal - Assault is assault is assault

The only defence that I know of is in self defence

(self defence is a defence as uttered by a local Judge once)