wire haired pointer

wexshot · 21-02-2014 10:02PM #1

Could you put a wire haired pointer in the same run as a cocker spaniel that is eleven years old

snipe49 · 21-02-2014 10:49PM

wexshot wrote: »

Could you put a wire haired pointer in the same run as a cocker spaniel that is eleven years old

what are they boy's or girl's.This is the only concern.

wexshot · 21-02-2014 11:16PM

snipe49 wrote: »

what are they boy's or girl's.This is the only concern.

two dogs (boys)

sonofthegun · 21-02-2014 11:23PM

how old is the wired hired very easy to introduce a pup as there would be no dominance issues harder to introduce older male dogs one will always want to be the boss
SOTG

snipe49 · 21-02-2014 11:27PM

wexshot wrote: »

two dogs (boys)

have they met yet. If no then let them get to know each other first.Keep the pointer on the lead and introduce them to each other. If anything happen's u can keep control. never feed them to gether or thing could get nasty.

wexshot · 21-02-2014 11:36PM

the pointers not been born yet its in the pipeline so to speak was just wondering about space really to get ahead when I've time, have you had a w/h pointer will be my first what sort of characters are they

snipe49 · 21-02-2014 11:46PM

I see' all will be fine.I have german short's and also cocker's.The greman pointer is known for it's easy going nature.But will need plenty of space.

wirehairmax · 22-02-2014 01:17AM

A good GWP is probably the best all round hunting dog out there. They are an out and out hunting machine if you get a good one. Fur or feather, they will hunt anything that moves. I've seen them on pointing and flushing birds, hunting and taking foxes, and tracking running and bleeding deer. The lad I had was a friendly dog when I was around but took his guard dog duties seriously when I wasn't. He was a big softie to me and they are definitely a one man dog.
Dicipline and training is crucial as well as very secure facilities. They will hunt whether you're around or not and if they get out they will go hunting on their own and should not be trusted around livestock on their own. I would suggest putting a roof on the pen and/or making sure it's anti-climb.
Strange dogs should also be kept away as much as possible as even when my lad was only a pup, he was well able for neighbouring dogs and used to send the neighbours alsation and sheepdog running home if they ever crossed his path. He was fine with my own other dogs though and was just part of the gang and used to let the westie boss him around.
If you are getting one I would definitely emphasize good training and discipline, very secure housing and keep him busy. Don't let him get bored because that's when the trouble can start.

TriggerPL · 22-02-2014 02:03AM

Yea mate ul be fine ul find the the older dog will get a new lease of life and become more active because of the pup

moloney · 23-02-2014 11:03PM

never ever trust a gwp with livestock other dogs and most important of all children and family members yes they are a hunting machine but their temperameant is very unpredictable if buying one make sure and see mom and dad I see a six month old pup to growl at kids and adults ersonallyi would nt leave one inside the gate

Maxmillian · 24-02-2014 12:53PM

moloney wrote: »

never ever trust a gwp with livestock other dogs and most important of all children and family members yes they are a hunting machine but their temperameant is very unpredictable if buying one make sure and see mom and dad I see a six month old pup to growl at kids and adults ersonallyi would nt leave one inside the gate

Wow moloney....what a narrow minded and false statement to make. The only part of the rubbish quoted above that is true is that,as with any breed, try and get to see the sire and dam before buying ANY pup.
Exactly how many GWPs of different pedigrees have you encountered that have threathened the parish's livestock and all family members? Its bull ststements like this that give a particular breed a bad name. I have had numerous Wirehairs from different breeders and NONE have shown any aggressive nature towards people. All breeds of dogs, including corgies, will chase if allowed. Its up to the owner to train this out of them or dont allow them to get into a situation that can cause something negative to occur. Their temperement is no more suspect than a Bishon or a Lab. They are a wonderful dog to hunt behind; they point and BACK naturally; they have very soft mouths; are excellent trackers and picker-ups and are genuine characters behind that hairy facade... Enough said. If you dont believe me, PM me and come and meet all mine...bring the kids (and some lambs too if you like)....

Maxmillian..

Bushwack · 24-02-2014 01:34PM

I have 2 wirehairs and there great workers but some of them have a bad streak in them and I also would not trust them 100 percent round strange people or children but they are grand round people the know and trust.There all different,some can be housed with other dogs and more cant,depends on the animal.I can also tell you if they do have a disagreement with another dog you want to be in your health to stop it,or better still stop it before it gets going.

moloney · 24-02-2014 07:01PM

Maxmillian wrote: »

Wow moloney....what a narrow minded and false statement to make. The only part of the rubbish quoted above that is true is that,as with any breed, try and get to see the sire and dam before buying ANY pup.
Exactly how many GWPs of different pedigrees have you encountered that have threathened the parish's livestock and all family members? Its bull ststements like this that give a particular breed a bad name. I have had numerous Wirehairs from different breeders and NONE have shown any aggressive nature towards people. All breeds of dogs, including corgies, will chase if allowed. Its up to the owner to train this out of them or dont allow them to get into a situation that can cause something negative to occur. Their temperement is no more suspect than a Bishon or a Lab. They are a wonderful dog to hunt behind; they point and BACK naturally; they have very soft mouths; are excellent trackers and picker-ups and are genuine characters behind that hairy facade... Enough said. If you dont believe me, PM me and come and meet all mine...bring the kids (and some lambs too if you like)....

Maxmillian..

narrow mined im not maxmillian false statemeant no it is not and these dogs already have a bad name .I have no doubt ure dogs are what u say they are but we are not talking about YOUR DOGS .we are talking about a breed of dog that u seem to think is no different to a lab lol .nowI could bring u to four lads this minute that owned whp and each had incidents one involving a lab another a sheep and also a weanling bullock and last but not least a child im not going to go into details as not to expose their owners .all dogs are different I have seen shorthairs with an iffy tempermeant and also some other dogs but u seem to think these dogs are harmless that's the rock u will perish on for sure .before I go any further maxmillian ring the man that lost his testicle to a gwp up north direction when he was out jogging and came upon a hunter after shooting a deer and got curious for a look and the dog decided that he didn't like him and also ring the nargc to verfify this as I only heard it through a friend not that they would tell u this kind of information .yes these dogs are hunting machines. u make sound as if its an attack on u its not narrow minded u are if u think these dogs are harmless .go to a german pointer trial and watch their tempermeant towards other dogs not all some train it into them or outa them lol oh I forgot again sorry max a lad had a litter of labs and he had a whpb turned his back and she killed the pups slip up on his behalf all because he thaught his whp was harmless lol u may have a a good strain of whp maxmillian but u need to wake up and smell the roses that they are all not like ures .I rest my case

allan450 · 24-02-2014 07:41PM

most dog issues are man made.im sure if most people introduced their gwp to livestock at a young age also children and other dogs their would not be a problem.im not saying it would help all gwp but would def help alot of them.whats to say the runner startled the dog i dont know the full story but thats what it sounds like to me.he still shouldnt have bit but as u decided the runner went over for a look into the dogs space.its not like the dog chased him around the place but i dont know full story.its the same sigma attached to pitbulls and staffy unpredictable nature its all bull****.they were originally called the nanny dog they were so good with children.but again bad owners.you cant tar one breed for a few bad incidences.im sure people will have different opinions but thats mine...

allan450 · 24-02-2014 07:47PM

about the bitch killing the pups that can happen with any breed its just some thing bitchs do.again the owners fault shouldnt have had an other bitch around pups.i know first hand happened my old fella with jack russles and happened me with boxers.but you live and learn.

Bushwack · 24-02-2014 08:18PM

allan450 wrote: »

most dog issues are man made.im sure if most people introduced their gwp to livestock at a young age also children and other dogs their would not be a problem.im not saying it would help all gwp but would def help alot of them.whats to say the runner startled the dog i dont know the full story but thats what it sounds like to me.he still shouldnt have bit but as u decided the runner went over for a look into the dogs space.its not like the dog chased him around the place but i dont know full story.its the same sigma attached to pitbulls and staffy unpredictable nature its all bull****.they were originally called the nanny dog they were so good with children.but again bad owners.you cant tar one breed for a few bad incidences.im sure people will have different opinions but thats mine...

Hi allan,i love the wire hair pointer breed and would not bad mouth them but would like to inform people about what there getting in to with this breed as there not for every one,thats for sure.

I know of a few lads that thought they were the dogs for them and ended up getting rid of because they could not handle there temperament.I also know of 3 cases where a wire hair pointer killed a lab,terrier,small horse,and yes I said horse.

Thing is the prey drive to take down big game like deer is so strong in these animals that some times all the training in the world can't stop it,so accidents happen.

I have two very nice bitch wirehairs that were brought up with kids and are well looked after,work on the whistle and take hand directions no problem,I got them used to sheep and other live stock but some times they will even point livestock but not harm it,so you need to be on top of them.

As for the kids and strange people,i would not trust this breed with any body there not used to being in contact with daily,and iam talking fom experience here.But when all is said and done if you do want this breed,go for it,but don't take your eye off the game.

allan450 · 24-02-2014 08:44PM

good read their.i see what you mean about the high pray drive as they were bred for taking down deer if my memory is correct.iv a gsp male here normal size and he has extremely high prey drive.wgp is alot bigger and higher pray drive so i can see where the problem could start power/drive would need alot of handling.i might look into one down the line they are a fine animal.i honesty didnt think they were as unpredictable.the reason been nearly all working dogs are breed to be human friendly.

moloney · 24-02-2014 08:44PM

allan450 wrote: »

most dog issues are man made.im sure if most people introduced their gwp to livestock at a young age also children and other dogs their would not be a problem.im not saying it would help all gwp but would def help alot of them.whats to say the runner startled the dog i dont know the full story but thats what it sounds like to me.he still shouldnt have bit but as u decided the runner went over for a look into the dogs space.its not like the dog chased him around the place but i dont know full story.its the same sigma attached to pitbulls and staffy unpredictable nature its all bull****.they were originally called the nanny dog they were so good with children.but again bad owners.you cant tar one breed for a few bad incidences.im sure people will have different opinions but thats mine...

allan I cant believe it when u say most dog issues are man made .bushwack has stated incidents that has happened and so have I so are u saying these incidents were their owners faults lol im pissing myself here .the runner startled the dog yet when he heres the sound of a rifle or shotgun he is ok with that lol.i decided the runner went over for a look the actual story was the dog was lying beside the deer and the runner had never seen a deer up close so was curious and u know the rest .u say that all this stigma attached wit pit bulls and staffs is bull**** tell that to the parents of the children that have been killed by these dogs last week and previous occasions plus were on about whp and hunting dogs tempermeants not dog bred for fighting .i just hope the people that think whp are harmless never see the day when they do wrong .everyone is entitled to their opinion be it right or wrong is up to them but when it comes to dogs u really want to know the facts otherwise their could be concequences.if u cant advise about a breed and im no expert but having experienced this breed and having heard from friends who had them it wasn't all stories u would ignore and if u did u were foolish that's my opinion

allan450 · 24-02-2014 09:02PM

80 percent of the time issues are man made i can guarantee you that.ask any decent dog trainer they will tell you.for these people who are looking to buy a GWP or any breed they should do their homework.again that falls on the owners not the dog.its not the dogs fault for having such a high prey drive its the way its bred.if their unpredictable owners should be more cautious.your going about the pitbulls and staffs you dont no the history of the dogs so you cant comment iv had them i know first hand their a great dog if brought up in the right environment like any dog.their is a stigma attached to them fact.this thread is getting derailed......

moloney · 25-02-2014 12:18AM

allan450 wrote: »

80 percent of the time issues are man made i can guarantee you that.ask any decent dog trainer they will tell you.for these people who are looking to buy a GWP or any breed they should do their homework.again that falls on the owners not the dog.its not the dogs fault for having such a high prey drive its the way its bred.if their unpredictable owners should be more cautious.your going about the pitbulls and staffs you dont no the history of the dogs so you cant comment iv had them i know first hand their a great dog if brought up in the right environment like any dog.their is a stigma attached to them fact.this thread is getting derailed......

excuse me allan u know nothing about me or what I have or haven't had and further more u know less about hunting dogs they way u are talking and yes this thread is getting derailed by u no one else

allan450 · 25-02-2014 01:05AM

i never said i know anything about you dont know where that came from.iv 6 gundogs 3 gsp and 3 cockers trained by me to a high standard so dont tell me i know nothing about gundogs.your the one that doesnt like facts.im off out of this childish debate.

moloney · 25-02-2014 10:02AM

allan450 wrote: »

i never said i know anything about you dont know where that came from.iv 6 gundogs 3 gsp and 3 cockers trained by me to a high standard so dont tell me i know nothing about gundogs.your the one that doesnt like facts.im off out of this childish debate.

u said that I didn't know the history of pitbulls staffs ure right I don't but I know enough not to have them around small babies and kids and that's all I want to know they can be unpredictable that is a fact due to what they have done and have been banned from some countries .buswhack has told u very clearly about the whp and he right and its based on facts .u have admitted ureself that u haven't had a whp to bushwack by saying their a fine animal and u might look into one down the road .if u knew something about this breed u would know
the history behind them.i have had one myself wouldn't again because of the issues that go with these dogs bushwack is right their not for everyone .u have three cockers and three pointers great dogs wonderfull hunters their great around kids and people and other animals u can turn ure back and relax around them .u are blaming owners for the way the dogs are yes it was bred into them by owners for special purposes ie to bring down deer etc which is essential when they are wounded etc but they did not breed it into them to be unpredictable .u say ure off out of this childish debate u are the one being childish by saying that. its a debate about a breed of dog that's not for everyone because of its history and its purpose and if a person ignore these things they will pay the price and that's a fact not mine it goes with the dog

allan450 · 25-02-2014 12:01PM

Temperament

The German Wirehaired pointer is very determined, active and intelligent. Eager to learn and loyal to its family, it needs a handler who is consistent in approach. They like to be occupied and enjoy working for their owners. They are friendly with those they know, but are naturally aloof with strangers and should be socialized at an early age.' This is one breed of dog that does not do well in a kennel environment. German Wirehaired pointers are happiest and most well behaved when they are part of the family and can spend time with their people. They can be rather willful and they like to roam. Powerful and energetic, they can become bored and hard to manage without enough exercise. The German Wirehaired pointer is a good all-around gun dog, able to hunt any sort of game on any sort of terrain. This dog has a good nose and can track, point, and retrieve on both land and water. Steady, lively and vigorous. These dogs should have the correct temperament to live with children of all ages.
their must be bad lines been bred in this country so....

Maxmillian · 25-02-2014 12:44PM

moloney wrote: »

narrow mined im not maxmillian false statemeant no it is not and these dogs already have a bad name .I have no doubt ure dogs are what u say they are but we are not talking about YOUR DOGS .we are talking about a breed of dog that u seem to think is no different to a lab lol .nowI could bring u to four lads this minute that owned whp and each had incidents one involving a lab another a sheep and also a weanling bullock and last but not least a child im not going to go into details as not to expose their owners .all dogs are different I have seen shorthairs with an iffy tempermeant and also some other dogs but u seem to think these dogs are harmless that's the rock u will perish on for sure .before I go any further maxmillian ring the man that lost his testicle to a gwp up north direction when he was out jogging and came upon a hunter after shooting a deer and got curious for a look and the dog decided that he didn't like him and also ring the nargc to verfify this as I only heard it through a friend not that they would tell u this kind of information .yes these dogs are hunting machines. u make sound as if its an attack on u its not narrow minded u are if u think these dogs are harmless .go to a german pointer trial and watch their tempermeant towards other dogs not all some train it into them or outa them lol oh I forgot again sorry max a lad had a litter of labs and he had a whpb turned his back and she killed the pups slip up on his behalf all because he thaught his whp was harmless lol u may have a a good strain of whp maxmillian but u need to wake up and smell the roses that they are all not like ures .I rest my case

Firstly moloney, lets call them by their right name. They are GWP, not whp, vwd (very wirey dog) lol... or anything else apart from of course a Drathaar.
"we are talking about a breed of dog that u seem to think is no different to a lab"
Where exactly did I say this? Quote me correctly please..lol (as you are so fond of using!!)
You keep telling stories that you are hearing 2nd/3rd hand and putting them in evidence for your argument.
The story you tell from "up north" is actually true. It occurred over 10 years ago. An old man walking (nothing to do with a jogger) in a wooded area came on a car with a couple of hunters as they were about to let their dogs out. Without any provacation the dog attacked the man and he suffered quite horrific injuries.
This is the only known case in NARGC Compensation Fund history of a GWP attacking a person. Let me add that over 80% (yes Eighty percent) of claims for dog bites are from our loveable Springer Spaniel. The majority of the remainder is made up of Terriers. You CAN quote me on this!!!!
You seem to think that I feel its like an attack on me...not at all. I am only defending the minority breed here. They are a truly great dog but if you have an aggressive dog of any breed, you should do something about it. And you certainly should not let it get into a situation that it could endanger livestock or humans.
BTW I do trial my dogs and attend many field trials and I have yet to see a GWP attack another trial dog. (where on Earth are you getting your information from???) They are in the minority at these trials but thankfully the numbers are increasing and people are begining to see how friendly they are.
FYI hundreds of newly born pups OF EVERY BREED are killed by their bitch every year. Usually happens with first time mothers that panic in that situation....
Its like the old addage....""give a dog a bad name...""
As I said before, you can come visit my place... but beware the Springer....

Maxmillian

moloney · 25-02-2014 06:17PM

allan450 wrote: »

Temperament

The German Wirehaired pointer is very determined, active and intelligent. Eager to learn and loyal to its family, it needs a handler who is consistent in approach. They like to be occupied and enjoy working for their owners. They are friendly with those they know, but are naturally aloof with strangers and should be socialized at an early age.' This is one breed of dog that does not do well in a kennel environment. German Wirehaired pointers are happiest and most well behaved when they are part of the family and can spend time with their people. They can be rather willful and they like to roam. Powerful and energetic, they can become bored and hard to manage without enough exercise. The German Wirehaired pointer is a good all-around gun dog, able to hunt any sort of game on any sort of terrain. This dog has a good nose and can track, point, and retrieve on both land and water. Steady, lively and vigorous. These dogs should have the correct temperament to live with children of all ages.
their must be bad lines been bred in this country so....

lol copy and paste

moloney · 25-02-2014 06:38PM

Maxmillian wrote: »

Firstly moloney, lets call them by their right name. They are GWP, not whp, vwd (very wirey dog) lol... or anything else apart from of course a Drathaar.
"we are talking about a breed of dog that u seem to think is no different to a lab"
Where exactly did I say this? Quote me correctly please..lol (as you are so fond of using!!)
You keep telling stories that you are hearing 2nd/3rd hand and putting them in evidence for your argument.
The story you tell from "up north" is actually true. It occurred over 10 years ago. An old man walking (nothing to do with a jogger) in a wooded area came on a car with a couple of hunters as they were about to let their dogs out. Without any provacation the dog attacked the man and he suffered quite horrific injuries.
This is the only known case in NARGC Compensation Fund history of a GWP attacking a person. Let me add that over 80% (yes Eighty percent) of claims for dog bites are from our loveable Springer Spaniel. The majority of the remainder is made up of Terriers. You CAN quote me on this!!!!
You seem to think that I feel its like an attack on me...not at all. I am only defending the minority breed here. They are a truly great dog but if you have an aggressive dog of any breed, you should do something about it. And you certainly should not let it get into a situation that it could endanger livestock or humans.
BTW I do trial my dogs and attend many field trials and I have yet to see a GWP attack another trial dog. (where on Earth are you getting your information from???) They are in the minority at these trials but thankfully the numbers are increasing and people are begining to see how friendly they are.
FYI hundreds of newly born pups OF EVERY BREED are killed by their bitch every year. Usually happens with first time mothers that panic in that situation....
Its like the old addage....""give a dog a bad name...""
As I said before, you can come visit my place... but beware the Springer....

Maxmillian[/Quote I have no doubt ure dogs are what u say they are I never said that a whp lol attacked another dog at a trial I said their always growling at other dogs these dogs have iffy tempermeants simple as that as for the whp killing the pups they were labarador pups not a whp bitch killing her own as for trials not all whp are sour but they are out there and u can visit me too the springer wont touch u but the shorthair might eat u if I tell him to lol

allan450 · 25-02-2014 06:40PM

course its copied and pasted where does most info come from the internet.i might add for your benefit.it contradicts everything you said.good with strangers if socialized early and good with children of all ages.so you must have seen/bought bad lines my friend.

moloney · 25-02-2014 06:58PM

allan450 wrote: »

course its copied and pasted where does most info come from the internet.i might add for your benefit.it contradicts everything you said.good with strangers if socialized early and good with children of all ages.so you must have seen/bought bad lines my friend.

I actually seen both the father was a pure softie the mother was fine two must have been me and the local animals thats wrong lol by the way allan it kinda sums it up their in the last line of wat u pasted these dogs should have the right tempermeant to be aroundand live with children of all ages .

pheasantmad · 25-02-2014 10:05PM

Every dog should have the right temperament to be around children and even then care should be taken as with all the dogs iv owned i could not tell you what is going on in there heads. Had a great black lab for a while, reared with the family, was a great gundog and biddable to everyone, that is till he was about 4 and then for whatever reason he got a set on any strange woman, very minute he would see one he would start growling, just taught it was territorial at home but out on the lead it was the same thing, meet a man that was a stranger to him and he was fine, ended up putting him to sleep as couldnt take the chance. Own a couple of gwp's for the last few years and cant fault any of them!!

Maxmillian · 26-02-2014 02:40PM

Hi Wexshot,
Sorry for being part of derailing your thread. To be honest alot will depend on how terratorial your cocker is. He is going to be the stronger of the two for quite a while and will have no problems putting manners on your pointer pup. As they are the same sex, then it is only a matter of time before the pup starts testing the older dog. If it gets too rough then seperate them...until that happens, no worries. GWP pups are very playfull/immature up to the age of two or more. Training can start early. They are sometimes slow to learn but once learned, they never forget. I have found them very easy to train as the hunting instinct is strong and they are eager to please. IMO no dog should be left with an unattended child...repeated poking in the eye would upset most if not all.....

Maxmillian

h2005 · 26-02-2014 02:50PM

There's a serious lack of punctuation in this thread. It makes some of it very hard to read.

Shooting Forum - Firearms licencing information

wire haired pointer

Comments