Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 Mod warning post#7005

NukaCola · 24-02-2014 09:47AM

Paulegend wrote: »

then migs. he really needs to step up or we will need a new keeeper. he looks great at times but there are some shots where he c/should be doing better. anyone who thinks he is one of the best in the league right now is blinded by red.

Which should he have saved yesterday. The 25 yard screamer that went in off the post, or the penalty? Or maybe the header that was deflected?

Who here said he was the best in the league. Show me one post that mentions this.

Iused2likebusts · 24-02-2014 09:55AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Happy to get the 3 points today, but I'm fed up with these difficult wins.

That's West Brom, Villa, Fulham and now Swansea who are all struggling in the league able to carve us open and score.

I have been wondering why these teams seem to raise their game about us but not against other top sides.

Now convinced that we are playing too open and not defending as a team.

As result spaces are there, forwards and midfield not tracking back and defence is under huge pressure and make the opposition look really good.

It's that pressure that is causing these 'individual errors' as I think the defence is being given too much to do.

Love out attacking style but we have to learn to keep clean sheets and close games out.

Winning 4-3 reminds me of 90's squad that was great to watch and had two classic matches with Newcastle but at the end of the day they became too open and won nothing and are remembered for white Armani suits and Spice Boys rather than the good attacking football they played

We also had an aggregate score of 9-1 in games against arsenal and everton in that same period. I would put it down to attitude over tactics.

LiamoSail · 24-02-2014 09:56AM

augustus gloop wrote: »

9 points
then win the league
then suarez hat trick in 3-2 win in WC to knock Engerlund out, when he should have been S/O for head butting Rooney
then hi five Zeus and throw thunder bolts at Ruud Van Nistelrooy

I hope he saves his antics for when they play Spain, not England. Suarez as public enemy #1 in Spain would do more for our chances of keeping him then if he were to get even further on the wrong side of the media in England

Iused2likebusts · 24-02-2014 10:00AM

mike65 wrote: »

So Liverpool lose 20% of the attack but gain 25% more defence with Coutinho on the bench and Allen or Lucas in the starting 11, is that so awful? It means there is an option on the bench that is not Moses for a start!

Control should be the new dictum - Liverpool have got a 6 point gap on the rest as of now - playing "catch up" style football isn't even necessary any more, so play a controlled game instead.

Boring 2-0 wins for the win.

No guarantee with those percentages you have given it could just as easily be the other way around. I would be inclined to start allen over coutinho against southampton due to their style of play but for the majority of our remaining games Id keep things the way they are. Teams are afraid of their lives of us in an attacking sense so play to our strengths.

NukaCola · 24-02-2014 10:01AM

LiamoSail wrote: »

I hope he saves his antics for when they play Spain, not England. Suarez as public enemy #1 in Spain would do more for our chances of keeping him then if he were to get even further on the wrong side of the media in England

His antics? :rolleyes:

It will be a media circus when he plays them no matter what happens.

hefferboi · 24-02-2014 10:01AM

I want a back four next year of:

Coleman Benatia Sakho Shaw

You may call it unrealistic, but as English champions I think we'll be favorites to land whoever the fcuk we want.

hefferboi · 24-02-2014 10:05AM

MOTD HD highlights

Paulegend · 24-02-2014 10:05AM

NukaCola wrote: »

Which should he have saved yesterday. The 25 yard screamer that went in off the post, or the penalty? Or maybe the header that was deflected?

Who here said he was the best in the league. Show me one post that mentions this.

jesus relax with the defensive attitude. if only the team yesterday was half as defensive my bloodpressure wouldnt be nuts

i never said anyone on here did. but Carra has said it. he said it only a couple of weeks back when he and nevill named their players of the season so far.

i just feel that migs doesnt take responsibility enough at the back. he needs to be shouting more and coming for teh ball quicker. against fulham the second goal i think it was. the cross in from the fulham right. the ball dropped inside the 6 yard box. migs should have been there to catch that instead a calamatiss ball was banded into the net because he didnt take responsibility. then yesterday skrtel called him to come for the ball and he took his time about it. it was a basic keeper coming for the ball move that happens in every game but because he was so far back and not taking control he put his defence under pressure. he almost brought the ball out of the box in his hands. it touched his arm and perhaps should have been a free and at least a yellow (if it was worm who did it we would be all calling for it). just two examples of his decision making being really poor.

Paulegend · 24-02-2014 10:07AM

NukaCola wrote: »

His antics? :rolleyes:

It will be a media circus when he plays them no matter what happens.

oh jesus the english media probably have their headlines wrote out already for it

NukaCola · 24-02-2014 10:13AM

Paulegend wrote: »

jesus relax with the defensive attitude. if only the team yesterday was half as defensive my bloodpressure wouldnt be nuts

:pac:

Mignolet is doing a fine job. Every player makes mistakes. He has cost us in games but he's not a liability and we dont need a new keeper like you suggested. Put any keeper in front of our CB's and you would see them struggle.

In summary, young player first season, doing well, had a poor spell but solid for the most part.

Paulegend · 24-02-2014 10:19AM

just watching the highlights again and just spotted another one. how come migs didnt come out for teh cross that led to the peno. in those highlights its at around 8.50 the ball was crossed again on the 6 yard box. he should have came for it. regardless of whether the ball should have been defended better or not he shouldnt be giving the opposition a chance to get a shot on target. if he comes out and gets touched its a free out. if he comes out he has the reach advantage. no reason for him not to.

maybe someone with better knowledge than me could enlighten me but i would have thought that was basic defending.

its all well and good blaming defenders like sakho for some of his passing at times or agger for being out of position or skrtel for holding onto his men or even toure for his quick and sometimes mi**** clearances but if they dont have confidence in their keeper its going to make them play bad. toure was a rock for us at the start of the season. signing of the summer we called him. but was that because it was new club syndrome or was it because he had confidence in his keeper?

im not saying that we should get rid of migs. i think he can still be a top player for us. i just think that he needs to step it up or else Reina wont be going anywhere in the summer

djPSB · 24-02-2014 10:25AM

hefferboi wrote: »

I want a back four next year of:

Coleman Benatia Sakho Shaw

You may call it unrealistic, but as English champions I think we'll be favorites to land whoever the fcuk we want.

I can never understand how people think we have a chance of signing Coleman. You do know he plays for Everton?

Dickerty · 24-02-2014 10:26AM

Paulegend wrote: »

just watching the highlights again and just spotted another one. how come migs didnt come out for teh cross that led to the peno. in those highlights its at around 8.50 the ball was crossed again on the 6 yard box. he should have came for it. regardless of whether the ball should have been defended better or not he shouldnt be giving the opposition a chance to get a shot on target. if he comes out and gets touched its a free out. if he comes out he has the reach advantage. no reason for him not to.

No reason other than there were 2 defenders against 1 striker, so rather than clear them all out, and risk injury (or the ball arriving at a Swansea foot and him being on the deck), he trusts his defenders to do their job??

Dickerty · 24-02-2014 10:27AM

djPSB wrote: »

I can never understand how people think we have a chance of signing Coleman. You do know he plays for Everton?

+1 - if they were willing to cash in, it would be to even United ahead of us. It brings a ton of baggage with the player too, his life would be made hell around town...

gafferino · 24-02-2014 10:29AM

mike65 wrote: »

This is why Gerrard as the sole DM makes no sense unless kamikaze football is the way to win a league - which it isn't. Liverpool need to get a solid defensive screen erected in front of the central defenders. Sure it will mean less sparky action but would anyone really complain at a bunch of 2-0 wins with 60% possession and control of the middle?

Chris Bascombe catches the issue from his match report

An absolute peach of a line from that match report that sums it up perfectly......

'There was caviar upfront, cabbage at the back'.

Paulegend · 24-02-2014 10:31AM

NukaCola wrote: »

:pac:

Mignolet is doing a fine job. Every player makes mistakes. He has cost us in games but he's not a liability and we dont need a new keeper like you suggested. Put any keeper in front of our CB's and you would see them struggle.

In summary, young player first season, doing well, had a poor spell but solid for the most part.

i do like him. hell last season i was kinda hoping we would go for him if the ter stegen move didnt pan out. turned out we didnt even go for him. ah well.

i do think he will come good but id question whether its the keeper or the defence that is the problem.

on paper our defence is one of the best.

Sakho is a monster. an abundance of strength. not too slow for a center back. can be sloppy with his passing but is generally good on the ball and he is like a classic center back the way he just runs straight through his opponent. clattering them taking them down and hurting them a little but making sure to get the ball first. great center back for the future.

Toure has experience. was one of the invincible's (cant believe i said that..... vomit). his positioning seems to be his strongest asset. was our best player bar sturridge in the opening games.

Agger is our ball player. loves to take responsibility with the ball at the back. composure is probably his best asset. calms down play in defence and gives the confidence that a sloppy pass wont be made at the back.

Skrtel. he has his on years and his off years. when he is out of form he looks brutal but when he is in form he is amazing. his bald head and neo nazi look is probably his best asset. he is a bit of a rogue in defence but he knows what he can get away with and takes every advantage he can get to defend for his life. bar the last couple of weeks sktrel has been class this season. good for cross ins ironically and good at covering for others in defence when they go out of position.

i know not everyone will agree with everything there but by in large that is pretty close to accurate. so our defence on paper is actually pretty good. i doubt you could find a team in the league that can boast having 4 better center backs than that. so is it our defence???

Paulegend · 24-02-2014 10:40AM

Dickerty wrote: »

No reason other than there were 2 defenders against 1 striker, so rather than clear them all out, and risk injury (or the ball arriving at a Swansea foot and him being on the deck), he trusts his defenders to do their job??

but would other top keepers think that way?

sure the denders might do their job and defend. but its two defenders that are average height defenders. 6ft+ against a striker who looks about the same give or take. if the denders make the clearance thats great but if they dont then migs has an amazing shot to save as its from 6 yards out. chances are he wont get it. not anything against him it would just be a difficult one to save if headed correctly.

but if migs who is actually a little taller came for it he would have the reach advantage on top of his couple of inches height advantage. he woiuld be odds on to get the ball. he would have to plow through his defence but would Schmeichel have done it?? Seaman ?? Grobbelaar?? course they would have

djPSB · 24-02-2014 10:52AM

Dickerty wrote: »

+1 - if they were willing to cash in, it would be to even United ahead of us. It brings a ton of baggage with the player too, his life would be made hell around town...

And he seems like the kind of lad that wouldn't want to transfer to their rivals.

Chucky the tree · 24-02-2014 10:55AM

Paulegend wrote: »

i do like him. hell last season i was kinda hoping we would go for him if the ter stegen move didnt pan out. turned out we didnt even go for him. ah well.

i do think he will come good but id question whether its the keeper or the defence that is the problem.

on paper our defence is one of the best.

Sakho is a monster. an abundance of strength. not too slow for a center back. can be sloppy with his passing but is generally good on the ball and he is like a classic center back the way he just runs straight through his opponent. clattering them taking them down and hurting them a little but making sure to get the ball first. great center back for the future.

Toure has experience. was one of the invincible's (cant believe i said that..... vomit). his positioning seems to be his strongest asset. was our best player bar sturridge in the opening games.

Agger is our ball player. loves to take responsibility with the ball at the back. composure is probably his best asset. calms down play in defence and gives the confidence that a sloppy pass wont be made at the back.

Skrtel. he has his on years and his off years. when he is out of form he looks brutal but when he is in form he is amazing. his bald head and neo nazi look is probably his best asset. he is a bit of a rogue in defence but he knows what he can get away with and takes every advantage he can get to defend for his life. bar the last couple of weeks sktrel has been class this season. good for cross ins ironically and good at covering for others in defence when they go out of position.

i know not everyone will agree with everything there but by in large that is pretty close to accurate. so our defence on paper is actually pretty good. i doubt you could find a team in the league that can boast having 4 better center backs than that. so is it our defence???

Well if you'd watch them, then yea I think pretty much everyone(except yourself and then maybe Agger, Skrtel, Toure and Sakho) would blame the defense and not the keeper.

Paulegend · 24-02-2014 10:55AM

djPSB wrote: »

And he seems like the kind of lad that wouldn't want to transfer to their rivals.

why though?? he isnt an everton fan or anything. he hasnt come through their youth system. he has been there for 5 years but im sure if an offer came along that suited him and everton he would go for it.

12 yaesr since our last stanley park crossing with abel xavier. no reason we cant do it with another right back

Slattsy · 24-02-2014 10:58AM

I'd love to see us make a bid to sign Luke Shaw in the summer, i think he's well on his way being top class, and probably be an engerlund regular for the next 10 years.
Chelsea apparently stalking him too though.

Paulegend · 24-02-2014 11:02AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Well if you'd watch them, then yea I think pretty much everyone(except yourself and then maybe Agger, Skrtel, Toure and Sakho) would blame the defense and not the keeper.

name one

is it arsenal??

vermalean kosh mert................... then who??

chelsea

terry cahill luis and................

city

kompany nastasic lescott?????

name one team that actually has 4 better defenders than us. to be honest the above have maybe 2 top defenders and a decent at best backup.

but that is as i said on paper.

agger skrtel toure and sakho on paper are miles above who ive named

on paper. but football isnt played on paper.

so its either our coaching or lack of confidence in migs

Paulegend · 24-02-2014 11:03AM

Slattsy wrote: »

I'd love to see us make a bid to sign Luke Shaw in the summer, i think he's well on his way being top class, and probably be an engerlund regular for the next 10 years.
Chelsea apparently stalking him too though.

aparantely supports chelsea too. would be a great signing but i dont think it will happen. id just like us to try at least. put a bit of effort into making us a better team. we should try to get any non world cup players in as early as possible. end of may even if we can

djPSB · 24-02-2014 11:05AM

Paulegend wrote: »

why though?? he isnt an everton fan or anything. he hasnt come through their youth system. he has been there for 5 years but im sure if an offer came along that suited him and everton he would go for it.

12 yaesr since our last stanley park crossing with abel xavier. no reason we cant do it with another right back

Everton finished 15th when Xavier signed for Liverpool.

Liverpool finished 2nd.

Liverpool and Everton would have been rivals geographically but not like they are today in that both clubs are vying for CL football.

Coleman hasn't a hope of joining Liverpool imo.

Chucky the tree · 24-02-2014 11:08AM

Paulegend wrote: »

name one

is it arsenal??

vermalean kosh mert................... then who??

chelsea

terry cahill luis and................

city

kompany nastasic lescott?????

name one team that actually has 4 better defenders than us. to be honest the above have maybe 2 top defenders and a decent at best backup.

but that is as i said on paper.

agger skrtel toure and sakho on paper are miles above who ive named

on paper. but football isnt played on paper.

so its either our coaching or lack of confidence in migs

I've bolded the correct part. In saying that, your analysis is pretty miles off.

Toure - No idea what relevance him being part of the invincibles over 10 years ago has.

Agger - Agger is our ball player. loves to take responsibility with the ball at the back. composure is probably his best asset. calms down play in defence and gives the confidence that a sloppy pass wont be made at the back.

Love the last line, you missed the game yesterday?

Skrtel - knows what he can get away with - ugh, if only that were true yesterday as well.

Slattsy · 24-02-2014 11:08AM

Paulegend wrote: »

aparantely supports chelsea too. would be a great signing but i dont think it will happen. id just like us to try at least. put a bit of effort into making us a better team. we should try to get any non world cup players in as early as possible. end of may even if we can

I'd take Lallana aswell mind you.

Francie Barrett · 24-02-2014 11:08AM

The whole "our defence is rubbish" argument and that when Sakho is back everything will be just peachy view that seems to be commonly held here is just lazy.

No matter who we have in defence, with our current system, we are bound to leak goals because you effectively have only one midfielder screening the entire back 4 (very often, it's only a back 2 as our full backs are so far up the pitch).

Dickerty · 24-02-2014 11:15AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

The whole "our defence is rubbish" argument and that when Sakho is back everything will be just peachy view that seems to be commonly held here is just lazy.

No matter who we have in defence, with our current system, we are bound to leak goals because you effectively have only one midfielder screening the entire back 4 (very often, it's only a back 2 as our full backs are so far up the pitch).

Will be very interesting to see what his starting XI is when Lucas is back, with Allen showing so well at the moment. Stevie was exposed yesterday, but he's new to the position and is getting very little help from in front.

Sturridge, Suarez, Sterling, Couts and Hendo are all certain starters. So that leaves 1 spot for Lucas, Stevie and Allen. I think it will be Stevie at home in the big games, but will we have to sacrifice either Sterling or Couts for Lucas in the games v City and Chelsea??

Slattsy · 24-02-2014 11:16AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

The whole "our defence is rubbish" argument and that when Sakho is back everything will be just peachy view that seems to be commonly held here is just lazy.

No matter who we have in defence, with our current system, we are bound to leak goals because you effectively have only one midfielder screening the entire back 4 (very often, it's only a back 2 as our full backs are so far up the pitch).

I dont see a problem with that Francie.

If you have 2 solid (not top top) centre halves that can defend properly and cut out the stupid mistakes then having only one holding mid is not the issue.

Paulegend · 24-02-2014 11:18AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I've bolded the correct part. In saying that, your analysis is pretty miles off.

Toure - No idea what relevance him being part of the invincibles over 10 years ago has.

Agger - Agger is our ball player. loves to take responsibility with the ball at the back. composure is probably his best asset. calms down play in defence and gives the confidence that a sloppy pass wont be made at the back.

Love the last line, you missed the game yesterday?

Skrtel - knows what he can get away with - ugh, if only that were true yesterday as well.

so my argument is dumb because you cant come up with anything else to add??

skrtel got caught for the first time yesterday but im sure that doesnt discredit your smart remark does it??

toure being our in form player at teh start of the year doesnt discredit you does it??

agger you just quoted what i said and moved on?????

make a point ffs

my point is as the above poster said it doesnt matter who we have in defence because our defence is leaking goals not because of who they are but something else. the above poster thinks its our system (probably gerrard playing dm) but i think it may be our keeper not taking control in the box.

so either make a point or dont. stop pretending to.

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