60,000 Building Jobs, 400,000 empty houses.

drunkmonkey · 24-02-2014 10:10AM #1

These 2 articles conflicted each other this morning, on one hand we have the Govt planning major drive to create 60,000 construction jobs http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/govt-planning-major-drive-to-create-60000-construction-jobs-623414.html
And then we have the Guardian exposing the scandal of 11 million unoccupied homes with 400,000 of them in Ireland http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/feb/23/europe-11m-empty-properties-enough-house-homeless-continent-twice?CMP=fb_gu

I'm not sure why we need 60,000 builders if we've 400,000 empty houses, isn't this what got us into the mess in the first place?

Daith · 24-02-2014 10:14AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'm not sure why we need 60,000 builders if we've 400,000 empty houses, isn't this what got us into the mess in the first place?

I think the argument is that the 400,000 aren't places people would want to live with no local facilities around etc.

Akrasia · 24-02-2014 10:15AM

It's stupid really.

On one hand we have NAMA sitting on tens of thousands of vacant properties trying to artificially prop up property values, and on the other hand we have the government saying we need to build more houses because rents are too high

NAMA should be forced to publish a full list of every property that they own

Gatling · 24-02-2014 10:15AM

I seriously doubt theres 400,000 empty /unoccupied houses or other here ,

mandrake04 · 24-02-2014 10:16AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'm not sure why we need 60,000 builders if we've 400,000 empty houses, isn't this what got us into the mess in the first place?

Yeah instead of producing something useful and exporting it we built houses and tried to sell them to each other, for good measure we even imported shoe scrapings to help us build them.

Frank Lee Midere · 24-02-2014 10:17AM

Gatling wrote: »

I seriously doubt theres 400,000 empty /unoccupied houses or other here ,

Probably 2nd homes in the country.

Valetta · 24-02-2014 10:17AM

How do you propose to move the empty houses from Leitrim and Ballybofey to Dublin and Cork?

kneemos · 24-02-2014 10:18AM

mandrake04 wrote: »

Yeah instead of producing something useful and exporting it we built houses and tried to sell them to each other, for good measure we even imported shoe scrapings to help us build them.

Oh dear.

Macy0161 · 24-02-2014 10:21AM

Gatling wrote: »

I seriously doubt theres 400,000 empty /unoccupied houses or other here ,

It would be interesting to see the source of the figures, and whether it includes holiday homes.

drunkmonkey · 24-02-2014 10:22AM

Macy0161 wrote: »

It would be interesting to see the source of the figures, and whether it includes holiday homes.

It does, but how many many are holiday homes, 50,000?

Pinch Flat · 24-02-2014 10:23AM

Yeah, 'cos we all know that construction workers and professionals only build houses.:rolleyes:

The construction industry grew into a huge beast that ultimately destroyed the economy, constituting about 30% of GDP at the height of the 'boom'. Residential property was a large element of this.

A 'healthy' economy has construction at about 15% of GDP - at present it's in low single figures. There is a bigger picture here in terms of construction activity reflecting general economic recovery and supporting its activities - we will still need pharma plants, warehouses, IT facilities, data centers.....

Pinch Flat · 24-02-2014 10:28AM

Akrasia wrote: »

NAMA should be forced to publish a full list of every property that they own

What, you mean like this one?

http://www.nama.ie/about-our-work/properties-enforced/properties-subject-to-enforcement-action/

Dravokivich · 24-02-2014 10:30AM

Valetta wrote: »

How do you propose to move the empty houses from Leitrim and Ballybofey to Dublin and Cork?

It ain't that hard.

http://hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/hank_rabe/2006/sep30/69.jpg

SEPT 23 1989 · 24-02-2014 10:33AM

could we not improve transport links with some of commuter belt towns and finish off those houses?

cabledude · 24-02-2014 10:36AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

could we not improve transport links with some of commuter belt towns and finish off those houses?

Build motorways and LUAS systems in Leitrim? No.

Pinch Flat · 24-02-2014 10:36AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

could we not improve transport links with some of commuter belt towns and finish off those houses?

Maybe in some cases, but a lot of the so called ghost estates are there for a reason - built in total isolation and out of context with the local community they've been bolted onto.

In a lot of cases though the issues are more serious and deep rooted and the houses are probably best demolished and land returned to another use - houses are either of inferior build quality, built on flood plains, riddled with pyrite etc.

Dravokivich · 24-02-2014 10:38AM

Macy0161 wrote: »

It would be interesting to see the source of the figures, and whether it includes holiday homes.

It's stated in the image displaying the numbers throughout Europe.

"Ireland: Irish National Institute of Regional and Spacial Analysis (NIRSA) 2012"

keithclancy · 24-02-2014 10:42AM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Maybe in some cases, but a lot of the so called ghost estates are there for a reason - built in total isolation and out of context with the local community they've been bolted onto.

In a lot of cases though the issues are more serious and deep rooted and the houses are probably best demolished and land returned to another use - houses are either of inferior build quality, built on flood plains, riddled with pyrite etc.

+10000 ...

I didn't see one decent new build in Ireland, they were all thrown up poorly in terrible places.

eamonnq · 24-02-2014 10:48AM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

What, you mean like this one?

http://www.nama.ie/about-our-work/properties-enforced/properties-subject-to-enforcement-action/

Yeah, they should be made publish that or at least put in on a website or something!!

keithclancy · 24-02-2014 10:54AM

eamonnq wrote: »

Yeah, they should be made publish that or at least put in on a website or something!!

I guess you should update that internet you got on DVD ... its there for sure.

Menas · 24-02-2014 10:54AM

As said earlier there are lots of construction jobs that do not involve residential houses.
There is still a need for class a office accommodation in Dublin.
There is plenty of storm damage that needs to be repaired and perhaps even something that could help limit the damage of future storms.
More work on the roads, tackle the still existing accident and traffic blackspots.

The best time to spend this money is now IMO.

drunkmonkey · 24-02-2014 11:13AM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

What, you mean like this one?

http://www.nama.ie/about-our-work/properties-enforced/properties-subject-to-enforcement-action/

That's not a complete list of property Nama control.

Pinch Flat · 24-02-2014 11:17AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That's not a complete list of property Nama control.

From their website

"If however you believe that information contained in this document is inaccurate or misleading please contact NAMA at properties@nama.ie and NAMA will correct or clarify the information as necessary."

Why not drop them a line?

donegal__road · 24-02-2014 11:31AM

Valetta wrote: »

How do you propose to move the empty houses from Leitrim and Ballybofey to Dublin and Cork?

move the jobs to Leitrim and Ballybofey.

everdead.ie · 24-02-2014 11:37AM

The location and type of homes empty as well as I'm sure there are way more than 50,000 holiday homes in Ireland.

Big issue is family homes around cities instead of one and two bed flats. Ghosts estates are unlikely to be filled in our lifetime it is very difficult to get companies to relocate to more remote areas where housing stock is.

drunkmonkey · 24-02-2014 11:46AM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

From their website

"If however you believe that information contained in this document is inaccurate or misleading please contact NAMA at properties@nama.ie and NAMA will correct or clarify the information as necessary."

Your confusing different things ,That is not a list all of Nama's properties. There's are only 760 residential properties listed. There the ones subject to enforcement that's all. There is no complete list available to the general public.

drumswan · 24-02-2014 11:54AM

donegal__road wrote: »

move the jobs to Leitrim and Ballybofey.

People dont want to live there.

donegal__road · 24-02-2014 11:55AM

List of NAMA properties for sale from February 2011 - May 2013. There have been no updates to this site since May 1st 2013. The page also contains updated Nama Enforcemnet lists, and Nama Foreclosure lists.

donegal__road · 24-02-2014 11:55AM

drumswan wrote: »

People dont want to live there.

People that live there already could do with employment, that was my point.

drumswan · 24-02-2014 12:00PM

donegal__road wrote: »

People that live there already could do with employment, that was my point.

Those people already have housing.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 24-02-2014 12:08PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

These 2 articles conflicted each other this morning, on one hand we have the Govt planning major drive to create 60,000 construction jobs http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/govt-planning-major-drive-to-create-60000-construction-jobs-623414.html
And then we have the Guardian exposing the scandal of 11 million unoccupied homes with 400,000 of them in Ireland http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/feb/23/europe-11m-empty-properties-enough-house-homeless-continent-twice?CMP=fb_gu

I'm not sure why we need 60,000 builders if we've 400,000 empty houses, isn't this what got us into the mess in the first place?

Empty home does not equal empty houses.
Many of the empty homes in this country are shoebox apartments , many others are in places people do not want to live.

60,000 Building Jobs, 400,000 empty houses.

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