Should Pitt Bulls be banned?

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 23-02-2014 10:13PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

He had to be put down.

Who? the neighbour?

foxy06 · 23-02-2014 10:14PM

BillyMitchel wrote: »

The title of the thread is "Should Pit Bulls be Banned".

You think a Labrador or golden retriever hasnt killed or bitten people?

Can you show me an example of a lab killing a person. Bet it's harder to find than a pitbull.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 23-02-2014 10:15PM

jackboy wrote: »

Cows kill far more people in Ireland than dogs. Also they have much more potential to do damage. Pittbulls have their reputation mainly due to their appearance.

Not true!
Any actual evidence of cows attacking people?
Nah I thought so, more Bullcow****!

woodoo · 23-02-2014 10:16PM

BillyMitchel wrote: »

The title of the thread is "Should Pit Bulls be Banned".

You think a Labrador or golden retriever hasnt killed or bitten people?

I know they have. Which would you fear more an attack from a Pitt Bull or a Labrador. I would fancy my chances escaping with my life from a Lab but not so much a pitt bull.

Dyr · 23-02-2014 10:19PM

Molester Stallone wrote: »

How many cars jump onto a childs & maul them to death? Hmmm? To make it easier for you, to the nearest 10 let's say

in the last year, I'd say its around the same as the number of little kiddie winkles who've been mauled to death by pit bulls. To the nearest ten

Anyway you were trying to make a point, do carry one

BillyMitchel · 23-02-2014 10:20PM

foxy06 wrote: »

Can you show me an example of a lab killing a person. Bet it's harder to find than a pitbull.

Yes because a lot more undesirable people own bull breeds. Look at the baby that was killed last week. Pit bull?

Harder to find because The Sun won't sell papers with a lab on the front. Facts are there, google is your friend.

jackboy · 23-02-2014 10:22PM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Not true!
Any actual evidence of cows attacking people?
Nah I thought so, more Bullcow****!

You dont know what you are talking about. I know people that were killed by cows and many others injured.

BillyMitchel · 23-02-2014 10:22PM

woodoo wrote: »

I know they have. Which would you fear more an attack from a Pitt Bull or a Labrador. I would fancy my chances escaping with my life from a Lab but not so much a pitt bull.

I wouldn't fancy my chances against many dogs over 60lbs, regardless of breed.

No offence but you can't even spell their name right.

Paulie Gualtieri · 23-02-2014 10:24PM

I don't think there on boards that much.

BillyMitchel · 23-02-2014 10:25PM

Paulie Gualtieri wrote: »

I don't think there on boards that much.

You'd be surprised what's behind a laptop screen.

wendell borton · 23-02-2014 10:43PM

A pitbull is a Canis lupus just like all other dogs.

Dravokivich · 23-02-2014 10:52PM

woodoo wrote: »

The main point of this thread is the potential damage then are capable of not how likely they are to attack.. Their bite power can do major damage compared to a jack russell or a labrador.

Then my suggestion is that you only keep worms as pets.

Stavros Murphy · 23-02-2014 10:53PM

There's one asleep under my desk. If he farts again, he's getting put down. In the other room.

Foxhound38 · 23-02-2014 10:56PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Yes, they should be banned. The only people who own them do so for image reasons.

Its a dangerous dog and people should only be given a licence for one in exceptional circumstances.

I own a Staff Bull Terrier... got her from the rescue centre when she was a few months old, now a beloved family pet of about 6. Hasn't bitten anyone. Mostly because I'm a responsible owner and not a scumbag. I trained and socialized her well, and as a result she isn't aggressive. Even so, she wears a muzzle and is under my control whenever she is out on walks etc - just in case.

But yeah, ignore all that context and tar all of us as the "hard man" wannabe stereotype :rolleyes:

foxy06 · 23-02-2014 11:01PM

I think it's gas when people boast about having a dog x years and it hasn't bitten anyone. is that supposed to be some sort of achievement?

Dravokivich · 23-02-2014 11:02PM

foxy06 wrote: »

I think it's gas when people boast about having a dog x years and it hasn't bitten anyone. is that supposed to be some sort of achievement?

Going by the reason for this thread, yeah it makes it sound like it is.

Foxhound38 · 23-02-2014 11:20PM

foxy06 wrote: »

I think it's gas when people boast about having a dog x years and it hasn't bitten anyone. is that supposed to be some sort of achievement?

I think it's even more gas when people make assumptions about you based on the breed of canine companion you bring into your family, as did the post I originally quoted.

As for having the dog x amount of year without incident, it isn't a boast - just a fact. The premise of this thread is that certain breeds are naturally vicious - the evidence both statistical and circumstantial suggests otherwise.

If Bull Terriers where banned, the scumbags would be getting Alsations, German Shepards and Dobermans again next. There is no shortage of dogs that "hard men" are capable of turning dangerous if they have a mind to do so. Regulate who can get strong breeds by all means - but banning them is stupid and counter-productive.

blacklilly · 23-02-2014 11:20PM

I've owned dogs (and other animals) all my life, mainly collies, springers and German Shephards. I will never trust an animal 100%.

Animals, like humans have good and bad days, they can become aggressive without much warning. Some animals have aggressive traits and regardless of how good/responsible their owners are they can turn. It is completely naive in my opinion to say that any dog that has mauled a person had irresponsible owners.

I remember one of my springers turning on my nephew, I was lucky in that I was right beside him and thankfully it didn't escalate. This springer never ever showed any aggression prior to this point. You can never be too careful around animals.

Aongus Von Bismarck · 23-02-2014 11:39PM

I have no idea why someone would want to own a bull in the first place. Its completely impractical as a pet? As I said earlier it seems to me to all be about the image that it projects. People want aggressive muscle-bound dogs so that they can appear tough themselves.

I'm sure there are people who have them because they love the breed for whatever reason, but I can't think of a good reason to have one.

XsApollo · 23-02-2014 11:48PM

I don't know if they should be banned.
If people want to keep them in their homes that's their own business as long as they keep them locked in.
But strict licensing laws should be brought in for them and other breeds and the laws should be enforced. ( I know nothing about dog laws maybe there are laws already?)

The dogs should never be loose in public
Owners should be liable 100% and action taken if they break the laws regarding them.

If a pitbull has a set on something or someone it's almost impossible to stop them.
The dog will nearly always have to be killed to make it stop.

Personally I think they are a horrible breed.

seamus · 23-02-2014 11:51PM

You or your child are multiple times more likely to be killed by your partner/their parent than they are by a dog of any breed.

The hysteria over dogs and dog breeds especially is media manufactured to sell papers.

What if I told you that women are 9 times more likely to be raped by a friend, partner or family member than a stranger on the street? You don't see that printed in the papers do you, but women are terrified of walking alone at night.

The media don't give you information, they sell advertising space. And what they write about is whatever can sell the most ads.

Wibbs · 24-02-2014 12:06AM

woodoo wrote: »

It is far from a stupid question. You haven't even addressed their capacity for damage. Just google some of the photos of people that have been attacked by pitt bull and pitt bull type dogs. Most other dogs can't inflict the sort of damage a pitt bull can to an adult.

Nope, not quite, or more, the general perception is more down to Daily Mail "science". Bite strength is in simplistic terms mostly down to head/jaw size. Take an Irish Wolfhound. Like huge blokes, big easy going old yokes as a rule. Yet if one of them went rogue, it would fcuk up a pitbull/staffy in seconds and you don't even want to imagine what it would do to a person, even an adult bloke. Unusually among wolfhounds they were originally bred to take on wolves one on one. Other wolfhounds were bred to act as a pack(and "losses" were a given). Given a wolf has nigh on four times the bite strength of a pitbull and an Irish wolfhound was bred to take them out, as our American cousins say "you do the maaaaath". Yet they'd be considered "safe"?

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I have no idea why someone would want to own a bull in the first place. Its completely impractical as a pet?

Why? A purebred "pitbull" has been bred to be dog aggressive. They were originally bred as fighting dogs. In such a "sport" back in the day, such dogs have to be separated and thus they were bred to be not human aggressive. IMHO it's not the breed/type as such that is the issue, more the inbreeding within the type. All "purebreds" are inbred to fcuk.

No really. Check out what even responsible breeders consider safe breeding. Banjo playing inbred mutts ahoy. King Charles spaniels with lifetime headaches, British bulldogs who can't breath, move, or give birth naturally. The list is long. Add in gobshíte owners with small penises and it's not a good combo. And that goes for many modern breeds. All you have to do is look at the German Shepherd. Once an amazing working dog, not far from it's wild ancestor in form and function(even included European wolf admixture in the very early days), yet a family member and amazing search and rescue dog, helper, guide dog for the blind, hunting dog etc. A true all rounder. And now? The "breed standard" that wins the most prizes and mating rights is a fcuked up, sorry arsed, collapsed legged freak with questionable temperament. When was the last time you saw one as a guide dog? When I was a kid they were common in that role. And that's not that long ago.

b_mac · 24-02-2014 12:13AM

Wibbs for President!!

Muise... · 24-02-2014 12:15AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

but then what will the cool and deadly hard men keep as pets?

I think a swan would have the right attitude.

Stained Class · 24-02-2014 12:16AM

Wibbs wrote: »

All you have to do is look at the German Shepherd. Once an amazing working dog, not far from it's wild ancestor in form and function(even included European wolf admixture in the very early days), yet a family member and amazing search and rescue dog, helper, guide dog for the blind, hunting dog etc. A true all rounder. And now? The "breed standard" that wins the most prizes and mating rights is a fcuked up, sorry arsed, collapsed legged freak with questionable temperament. When was the last time you saw one as a guide dog? When I was a kid they were common in that role. And that's not that long ago.

I'm a long standing fan of the German Shepard/Alsation.

How could this happen & why?

steddyeddy · 24-02-2014 12:22AM

I don't think we should ban breed but I would love a way to restrict ownership. If someone gets a dog and calls it killer I can hardly report him to the dog warden for having a dog for the wrong reasons.

Fr_Dougal · 24-02-2014 12:31AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I don't think we should ban breed but I would love a way to restrict ownership. If someone gets a dog and calls it killer I can hardly report him to the dog warden for having a dog for the wrong reasons.

What if it's a mouse killer? Or if it's an ironic name?

steddyeddy · 24-02-2014 12:32AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

What if it's a mouse killer? Or if it's an ironic name?

Well in a day and age were children are mauled by dogs calling a dog killer is idiocy ironic or not.

Wibbs · 24-02-2014 12:34AM

b_mac wrote: »

Wibbs for President!!

El Presidente B. I fancy the cooler uniforms, medals and dusky maidens vibe.

Muise... wrote: »

I think a swan would have the right attitude.

Swans are pretty easygoing, so long as you don'y fcuk with them. Friendly even.

Stained Class wrote: »

I'm a long standing fan of the German Shepard/Alsation.

How could this happen & why?

Greed and stupidity, mostly the latter. The German chappie who was the progenitor of the breed studied many breeds, from toy dogs to working dogs to wild dogs and came up with what he saw as the "perfect" dog in form and function and temperament. He damn near succeeded too. For a time they were the go to dog for home, defence, helper, hunting, shepherding etc. Even made the perfect movie dog long before Lassie in the shape of Rin Tin Tin. Then the anal dog nerds got involved and figured it could be "improved". A slightly lower hip in the original was considered a slightly better bet designed for speed, but not a gven, but this was hit on as one such thing to be "improved" and we ended up with pups with geriatric hips outa the womb. And that's before we get to personality traits.

Here are a couple of German Shepherds from the turn of 19th/20th century;

http://www.dragongsd.com/26719.jpg
http://www.dragongsd.com/VA_Beowulf_vom_Nahegau.jpg
(ony for the upright regal head that could be a Eurasian wolf)

to this;
http://xitahausberg.com/Images/GSD%20Anatomy.JPG
http://www.irishdogs.ie/images/gallery/77/1373_album.jpg
The latter you can see by the URL is a proudly Irish example. Short in limb, dopey in ear and fcuked in hip and rear legs.

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

What if it's a mouse killer? Or if it's an ironic name?

Indeed. Once I had a German Shepherd called Rommel and not once did I see him drive a tank and repeatedly kick Montgomery in the nads.

Dyr · 24-02-2014 12:47AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Greed and stupidity, mostly the latter. The German chappie who was the progenitor of the breed studied many breeds, from toy dogs to working dogs to wild dogs and came up with what he saw as the "perfect" dog in form and function and temperament. He damn near succeeded too. For a time they were the go to dog for home, defence, helper, hunting, shepherding etc. Even made the perfect movie dog long before Lassie in the shape of Rin Tin Tin.

ah would ye stop, comparing our ould shepherds from back in the day to those poor frog creatures knocking around now. It's a tragedy.

Should Pitt Bulls be banned?

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