Should Pitt Bulls be banned?

SPS1 · 23-02-2014 09:22PM

I really hate this opinionated bias & rhetoric, that their PB dog is perfectly safe & just cause a certain breed has killed. Does that mean its breed should be banned also?

The simple fact is, dogs are domesticated animals that have certain genetic differences for their purposes of hunting/guarding etc which is clearly visible by different breeds facial structure & size.
Some dogs can do much more harm than others & the breeds have varying levels of associated intelligence/agression.

Pitbulls are much more prone to aggressive tendencies & have the size + jaw structure to do serious harm to humans. Dogs can snap at times, nearly every owner who had to put down their dog for attacking will have said "but my dog was so calm & friendly, I trained it".
Your pitbull is no exception.

Temptamperu · 23-02-2014 09:26PM

9 times out of ten if a dog bites you your asking for it.

Riddle101 · 23-02-2014 09:27PM

No they shouldn't be banned. But I do think there should be something like a pet inspector type of a person, who checks up on people with pets every once in a while to evaluate the pet. Basically just see how it's doing, if it's being cared for and treated right etc. The amount of animal abuse I read about makes me think, there needs to be something in place to protect pets. But it could also work for checking up on people with dogs to see how their behavior is. But that's just me.

foxy06 · 23-02-2014 09:28PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

9 times out of ten if a dog bites you your asking for it.

and that one other time?

sopretty · 23-02-2014 09:29PM

woodoo wrote: »

Should Pitt Bulls and associated breeds that they have the same power and physical stature be banned. IMO their capacity for damage is a real worry and is the main issue i have with these dogs. All breeds can attack but when a Pitt Bull attacks the end result can be much much more severe.

See the following piece on the dangers posed by these dogs. http://www.terrierman.com/mortality-mauling-vicious-dogs.pdf

Compared with attacks by other breeds of dogs, attacks by pit bulls were associated with a higher median Injury Severity Scale score (4 vs. 1; P = 0.002), a higher risk of an admission Glasgow Coma Scale score of 8 or lower (17.2% vs. 0%; P = 0.006), higher median hospital charges ($10,500 vs. $7200; P = 0.003), and a higher risk of death (10.3% vs. 0%; P = 0.041).

In the US over a 3-year period from January 2006 to March 30, 2009, a total of 98 dog bite fatalities involving 179 dogs occurred; 60% of the deaths were caused by pit bulls, and 76% were caused by pit bulls and Rottweilers. A total of 113 pit bulls were involved in these deaths, and they accounted for 63% of the dogs involved in fatal attacks.

Pit bulls responsible for 65% of all fatal attacks in 2008
6 of 7 fatal dog bites in Texas in 2007 were inflicted by pit bulls
94% of attacks on children by pit bulls were unprovoked
81% of attacks that occurred off the owner’s property involved pit bulls
One person is killed by a pit bull every 14 days
One body part is severed and lost every 5.4 days as a result of pit bull attacks
2 persons are injured by pit bulls every day
1.5 pit bulls are shot to death every day

Have not read one reply, but to me yes, they should be banned

sopretty · 23-02-2014 09:31PM

Riddle101 wrote: »

No they shouldn't be banned. But I do think there should be something like a pet inspector type of a person, who checks up on people with pets every once in a while to evaluate the pet. Basically just see how it's doing, if it's being cared for and treated right etc. The amount of animal abuse I read about makes me think, there needs to be something in place to protect pets. But it could also work for checking up on people with dogs to see how their behavior is. But that's just me.

We don't even do that for children! Get with reality.

Ms2011 · 23-02-2014 09:31PM

foxy06 wrote: »

I'll get slaughtered for saying this but there is no way in hell I would have a pit bull in my house near my kids. Yes there are certain owners that make their dogs vicious but then you hear of responsible owners with pit bulls that just 'turned'. Like another poster said, pit bulls have the ability to kill or maim very quickly. Yes I do think they should be banned

With the exception of dogs with brain defects (pretty rare) a dog doesn't just turn. More commonly the dog is screaming (with body language) that it is uncomfortable with a situation but it's owner is either oblivious or completely ignores these subtle signs & signals giving the dog no option to react with a bite.

mitosis · 23-02-2014 09:33PM

Because you can't ban or control irresponsible owners, yes, they and similar should be banned.

dark crystal · 23-02-2014 09:35PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

9 times out of ten if a dog bites you your asking for it.

Yeah, Those pesky children, taunting dogs into killing them. Stupid postmen delivering the mail, annoying the poor innocent creatures.

The fact people still blame victims instead of the animal leads me to believe this debate will never go anywhere. Always the same in these type of discussions.

mitosis · 23-02-2014 09:36PM

mistress_gi wrote: »

I own a large bull breed dog and can honestly say I have no issues with him whatsoever. So he is a big chicken and is scared of the wind and is allergic to mice, he does look vicious though! Why did I get a bull breed, because he is a bullbreed, black and massive and he spent close to 6 months in kennels before we adopted him, before them he was surrendered to the pound before then , I don't know.
Every dog deserves a good life, We decided to give this a guy a chance. I do not regret adopting him but I also get very discriminated against. People discriminate against me because we decided to adopt this vicious machine and against him because he is a bullbreed, big and black.
The reality is that I have no issue leaving my dog with children, he would run before doing anything at all. However, I would never do this because I am a responsible owner.
Deed before breed is what I believe in!
Just so you know what I am talking about, here is my dog:

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/gblhskfc17kinkg/ah9GfG-1xe

The problem is that almost word for word this is what the owners say after their dog has attacked and injured someone.

Oranage2 · 23-02-2014 09:38PM

People say it's the owner not the breed.

It's true in a way, but dogs have traits, Collies like to heard, terriers like to hunt, but mention Pitt bulls like to fight and you're instantly dismissed.

American Pitt bull terriers have massive Jaw strength as well as inch plus long teeth, I don't think they make ideal pets.

ahnowbrowncow · 23-02-2014 09:39PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

9 times out of ten if a dog bites you your asking for it.

I'm going to ask for some evidence to support this claim.

You wouldn't make such a statement without some facts to back it up, would you?

mistress_gi · 23-02-2014 09:40PM

mitosis wrote: »

The problem is that almost word for word this is what the owners say after their dog has attacked and injured someone.

I believe you forgot to highlight the rest of the sentence!!!!

darced · 23-02-2014 09:42PM

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Sir Humphrey Appleby · 23-02-2014 09:43PM

woodoo wrote: »

Should Pitt Bulls and associated breeds that they have the same power and physical stature be banned. IMO their capacity for damage is a real worry and is the main issue i have with these dogs. All breeds can attack but when a Pitt Bull attacks the end result can be much much more severe.

See the following piece on the dangers posed by these dogs. http://www.terrierman.com/mortality-mauling-vicious-dogs.pdf

Compared with attacks by other breeds of dogs, attacks by pit bulls were associated with a higher median Injury Severity Scale score (4 vs. 1; P = 0.002), a higher risk of an admission Glasgow Coma Scale score of 8 or lower (17.2% vs. 0%; P = 0.006), higher median hospital charges ($10,500 vs. $7200; P = 0.003), and a higher risk of death (10.3% vs. 0%; P = 0.041).

In the US over a 3-year period from January 2006 to March 30, 2009, a total of 98 dog bite fatalities involving 179 dogs occurred; 60% of the deaths were caused by pit bulls, and 76% were caused by pit bulls and Rottweilers. A total of 113 pit bulls were involved in these deaths, and they accounted for 63% of the dogs involved in fatal attacks.

Pit bulls responsible for 65% of all fatal attacks in 2008
6 of 7 fatal dog bites in Texas in 2007 were inflicted by pit bulls
94% of attacks on children by pit bulls were unprovoked
81% of attacks that occurred off the owner’s property involved pit bulls
One person is killed by a pit bull every 14 days
One body part is severed and lost every 5.4 days as a result of pit bull attacks
2 persons are injured by pit bulls every day
1.5 pit bulls are shot to death every day

No. They should not be banned.

They should all be shot...........on sight!

woodoo · 23-02-2014 09:57PM

Another issue i have but i suppose the owners are to blame here. Is when they are out unmuzzled and they attack some other dog out being walked. I have seen it a few times and the pitt bull types never come off worse.

If they aren't to be banned then they should be muzzled when in public.

Temptamperu · 23-02-2014 09:57PM

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

I'm going to ask for some evidence to support this claim.

You wouldn't make such a statement without some facts to back it up, would you?

Basically, ive had dogs in my life and that's my experience.

BillyMitchel · 23-02-2014 09:59PM

As someone that's been around bull breeds for 20 + years (Bull Terriers, Pit Bulls and Staffordshire) and now an owner of a 125lb Dogo Argentino I'm sick to death of this useless argument. A ban does nothing. All dogs can attack and if people really think that the pit bull is potentially the most dangerous dog out there these days, then they do not have a clue.

All we have to do is look to the UK that banning a breed does nothing, zero, zilch, sweet fock all. There's now more PB types there than ever before.

Holland have reversed their banning law and other countries will follow suit. It does not work.

I do believe that maybe a special licence or some kind of exam done by the IKC for certain breeds would help the situation. I do think these breeds are great but in the right hands. Idiots are everywhere though. Laws are never enforced here when it comes to dogs in Ireland.

People refuse to take personal responsibility and ultimately accidents happen and the dog gets blamed.

OP other breeds have killed people the last few weeks. Why aren't you calling on a ban for those breeds?

Something does need to be done but its not a ban.

I really could go on all night.

Dyr · 23-02-2014 10:00PM

Certain types of viscious cars should be banned, far too many deaths on the road

marc96 · 23-02-2014 10:01PM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

No. They should not be banned.

They should all be shot...........on sight!

Maybe u should be shot on sight

Amprodude · 23-02-2014 10:02PM

Yes Pitbull should be banned. He is a lazy and hopeless singer who does nothing in his videos. He was a disgrace in his last video timber with keesha.

Molester Stallone · 23-02-2014 10:04PM

Bambi wrote: »

Certain types of viscious cars should be banned, far too many deaths on the road

How many cars jump onto a childs & maul them to death? Hmmm? To make it easier for you, to the nearest 10 let's say

Crann na Beatha · 23-02-2014 10:04PM

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dark crystal · 23-02-2014 10:05PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

Basically, ive had dogs in my life and that's my experience.

How many people have your dogs bitten?

woodoo · 23-02-2014 10:05PM

BillyMitchel wrote: »

As someone that's been around bull breeds for 20 + years (Bull Terriers, Pit Bulls and Staffordshire) and now an owner of a 125lb Dogo Argentino I'm sick to death of this useless argument. A ban does nothing. All dogs can attack and if people really think that the pit bull is potentially the most dangerous dog out there these days, then they do not have a clue.

All we have to do is look to the UK that banning a breed does nothing, zero, zilch, sweet fock all. There's now more PB types there than ever before.

Holland have reversed their banning law and other countries will follow suit. It does not work.

I do believe that maybe a special licence or some kind of exam done by the IKC for certain breeds would help the situation. I do think these breeds are great but in the right hands. Idiots are everywhere though. Laws are never enforced here when it comes to dogs in Ireland.

People refuse to take personal responsibility and ultimately accidents happen and the dog gets blamed.

OP other breeds have killed people the last few weeks. Why aren't you calling on a ban for those breeds?

Something does need to be done but its not a ban.

I really could go on all night.

The main point of this thread is the potential damage then are capable of not how likely they are to attack.. Their bite power can do major damage compared to a jack russell or a labrador.

joe swanson · 23-02-2014 10:06PM

Bull terriers can be the best pets but for some reason, scumbags in this country love to have them, whilst having no idea how to look after them properly.

They probably bite less than most dogs but when they do, they hold on. If brought up and trained correctly there should be no problem.

I think a cull of scumbags would fix the issue.

Temptamperu · 23-02-2014 10:06PM

dark crystal wrote: »

How many people have your dogs bitten?

One, Bonzo bit the neighbor but the neighbor was smacking him with a rolled up paper. He had to be put down.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 23-02-2014 10:06PM

foxy06 wrote: »

Bollix. Guns can go off without someone pulling the trigger. Dogs of responsible owners can turn without an owner making them

So you agree with me?

If you meant to say "can't" than that's not true, a dog most certainly can turn without an owner making them.

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

You're comparing a dog to a gun? That's ridiculous tbh.

I said the debate is framed in the same manner, "guns/dogs don't kill people, people kill people."

BillyMitchel · 23-02-2014 10:10PM

woodoo wrote: »

The main point of this thread is the potential damage then are capable of not how likely they are to attack.. Their bite power can do major damage compared to a jack russell or a labrador.

The title of the thread is "Should Pit Bulls be Banned".

You think a Labrador or golden retriever hasnt killed or bitten people?

jackboy · 23-02-2014 10:11PM

Cows kill far more people in Ireland than dogs. Also they have much more potential to do damage. Pittbulls have their reputation mainly due to their appearance.

Should Pitt Bulls be banned?

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