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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,097 ✭✭✭Pacing Mule


    Gavlor wrote: »
    Sorry, was busy getting a podium finish in a half mara.

    Did I not specifically refer to a 25 day running streak??

    6 days a week is fine but a rest day is crucial.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Gavlor




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Gavlor wrote: »

    6 days a week is fine but a rest day is crucial.

    No it's not :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭KielyUnusual


    Gavlor wrote: »
    Sorry, was busy getting a podium finish in a half mara.

    Did I not specifically refer to a 25 day running streak??

    6 days a week is fine but a rest day is crucial.

    Well you had to wait one and a half years but she finally got an injury that put her out of action for a whole 3 days to prove your point ;-).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    menoscemo wrote: »
    No it's not :)

    +1

    What works for some doesn't work for others. I take a day off every week and I still pick up quite a few injuries and niggles. However I know people who don't take any rest days at all and rarely if ever get injured. Depends very much on your biomechanics and how your body deals with the training load.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Gavlor


    I just think that, in general, you'd want to be a couple of years running before doing continuous streaks like that. But I could also be mistaken. Guess time will tell!

    Anyway ososlo, you may have your log back


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭FITZA


    Hi Ososlo, I have been following your log for some time now...tis great :)....well done on your restraint, not training with a niggling injury...hopefully its all good for you from here on. However, due to your injury, I did get some great tips from the posters on your log i.e. Myrtl routine...to keep me going :) Good luck with the MSB 5k.... I've entered it too :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Saturday 22 February
    Real life called me away for 24 hours so another rest day from running which actually wasn't a bad idea to gradually wean myself back into it.
    Was in 'no internet' land so had to do the AIS by memory and a very short length of rope (well actually a dressing gown tie:D) so it wasn't ideal but did about 15 mins anyways and felt all the better for it after a long car journey. All my bits and bobs felt good today:)

    Sunday 23 February
    6 miles at easier than recovery effort.
    Started very handy and all felt good but kept it very easy just in case. Not taking any chances at this stage.

    So that's 9 miles for the week:D Lowest mileage week for a long long time and lots of rest days so Gavlor would be proud:pac:

    Have been thinking about my target 5k race in a month. I'm not so sure now I'll do it. I'm really not in the mood for doing a cr1p race and this hiccup has obviously set me back a bit. Basically no running last week and just getting back into it properly this week so that'll be 2 weeks without any quality. I might be ready for a session in a few days but will play that by ear. It's a pity really as I have had good experiences at this race in the last 2 years and had a good feeling about it this year but it's pointless if I'm not going into it with a good chunk of training behind me. Will make up my mind this week about it. Will keep my eyes peeled for other 5k race options in April.

    Now to catch up on my log...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,687 ✭✭✭Darren 83


    Ososlo wrote: »
    Saturday 22 February
    Real life called me away for 24 hours so another rest day from running which actually wasn't a bad idea to gradually wean myself back into it.
    Was in 'no internet' land so had to do the AIS by memory and a very short length of rope (well actually a dressing gown tie:D) so it wasn't ideal but did about 15 mins anyways and felt all the better for it after a long car journey. All my bits and bobs felt good today:)

    Sunday 23 February
    6 miles at easier than recovery effort.
    Started very handy and all felt good but kept it very easy just in case. Not taking any chances at this stage.

    So that's 9 miles for the week:D Lowest mileage week for a long long time and lots of rest days so Gavlor would be proud:pac:

    Have been thinking about my target 5k race in a month. I'm not so sure now I'll do it. I'm really not in the mood for doing a cr1p race and this hiccup has obviously set me back a bit. Basically no running last week and just getting back into it properly this week so that'll be 2 weeks without any quality. I might be ready for a session in a few days but will play that by ear. It's a pity really as I have had good experiences at this race in the last 2 years and had a good feeling about it this year but it's pointless if I'm not going into it with a good chunk of training behind me. Will make up my mind this week about it. Will keep my eyes peeled for other 5k race options in April.

    Now to catch up on my log...

    What time are you targeting for the 5k


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Darren 83 wrote: »
    What time are you targeting for the 5k

    no specific time target Darren as I don't know what I'm capable of to be honest. Basically the answer is AS FAST AS I CAN:)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,687 ✭✭✭Darren 83


    Did you never do a 5k race?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Darren 83 wrote: »
    Did you never do a 5k race?

    Yes my pb is from this same race last year on St. Pat's weekend - 25.50.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,687 ✭✭✭Darren 83


    Ososlo wrote: »
    Yes my pb is from this same race last year on St. Pat's weekend - 25.50.

    You definitely deserve a new pb after all the work you put in


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Gavlor wrote: »
    Sorry, was busy getting a podium finish in a half mara.

    Did I not specifically refer to a 25 day running streak??

    6 days a week is fine but a rest day is crucial.

    It's actually worse than you think Gavlor:) Not only was it a 25 day running streak but there were a few doubles in there too so about 28 runs in 25 days:)

    Interesting thread here about the subject of rest days and how useless they are http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=60592184

    Gavlor, if you ran 7 days a week from tomorrow and ran the extra days at around 3.5 mins per mile slower than your 5k race pace, do you really believe that this could possibly lead to an injury for you?

    I do actually think that a day off each week is probably a good thing for someone like myself but not for physical reasons, but mental ones. A break away from it all, running, Boards AR forum, all of it, is probably very beneficial for anyone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Thanks for linking that thread ososlo!!
    I think I read that way back when doing the 4 day per week HH noive 1 progarmme and it would have went way over my head at the time.

    Gavlor, I'm afraid Tergat's opinion trumps yours :p
    tergat wrote: »
    amadeus,

    I think cross training is beneficial both for strengthening muscles and also for the heart/lungs. However remember the principle of "Specificity" which states that all training for a particular sport should be specific to that sport. So if you are a runner you need to run for specific adaptions to take place in the muscles. You will recruit different muscle fibres on a bike than you will do running.....On the other hand if you a very injury prone and can only manage a certain amount of running, then cross training is an excellent tool to add more stimu.

    However I think if you can go out and do an easy jog instead of cross training then do it. KEEP EASY RUNS EASY THOUGH. I think the pace you run on easy days is very personal. A lot depends upon your capacity to recover. Some people can run faster than others on easy days but no faster on race days. I think the important thing is this: do what works for you. And, to be more specific, pay attention to how well you can run key workouts and races. If you feel tired during the early part of key workouts or races it's a sure sign that your easy days are too fast.

    Each person must use principles of training. Principles like consistency, variety of stimulus, individualisation, gradual-progression, and moderation are the bedrock of success. How they are applied to each person is not much different; it's the speeds that matter, and the amounts, and the frequencies.


    Re rest days it really depends on the individual (age, running experience, injury history, work/family commitments etc). If a runner has no issues with injuries and chronic pain, then running daily or twice daily (even better) is the path to success. There is no two ways about it. The more you run while staying within your personal limits at the moment, the better you get...especially in terms of aerobic efficiency. As a general rule, if you have injuries, rest completely and do therapies that get rid of the problem. Don't run through injuries unless you are close to a planned big race that you have put a lot of energy into preparing for.

    Taking days off should be merely for planned recovery periods, not as a scapegoat and not as a mythical "it helps me" philosophy, based on lack of commitment. Many, many runners believe they "need" days off, only to find when they committed to training they improved more than they ever have. Every day you don't run you lose efficiency at a rate of 3 to 1. One day off is like going backward 3 days in your training program. I read once that Dr. Edward Coyle (American?), exercise physiologist of renown, has studied detraining effects and concluded just that!

    I was in contact with a coach who measured runners in two specific ways. He had them run at 80% of VO2 max on a treadmill - 10 minutes - the day before and after a day off from running. Predictably, their heart rate and their blood lactates were higher after a day off. And, in most cases, their perceived exertion worsened, too. That is, 80% felt harder than it did two days earlier (before the day off from running). He estimated that 80% of runners do NOT benefit from a day off and only 20% do. And the 20% that do need it because they typically lacked self-control in their training prior to the day off. That is, they were over-reaching for a few days prior to the day off (working too hard for their current ability) and the day off was a corrective measure for lack of self-control or lack of self-knowledge.

    IF you are the 1 in 5 (20%), then a day off or two each week is probably going to correct your over-reaching tendencies. Then, take the day off or two. That's ok. Just don't start taking days off out of habit. That's not smart. That's lazy! If your not a serious runner, not in it to improve optimally, then take days off and ignore the information stated above. It doesn't matter, then.

    There are ways to take a day off here and there and be succesful. One must follow strict rules to avoid injuries and setbacks due to days off. For example, never run a hard day or race after a rest day. The days that follow that hard day or race often tend to be compromised, first of all, but second of all injury rates goes up quite a bit. So, if you take a day off, be sure to run easily the day after. That will save you the grief of injury and sore legs for 2-3 days.

    When you take days off, you may end up getting more injured - just after you return. The problem with taking days off is three-fold. First, you lose blood volume, which effect VO2 max and efficiency. The problem is, you gain a bit of musculuar power and you are fooled into thinking that the day off "did some good." The truth is, people push too hard, relative to their cardio-vascular capacity, when they return because their legs are more powerful (due to glycogen top up). The second problem with taking a day off is you simply lose touch with effort, coordination is reduced, even though power or feeling of power is present. If you lose sensory awareness, you don't realize you are pushing too hard. The third problem with taking days off is mental - you think you can push harder when you come back after resting. Pushing harder is often NOT a good idea.

    Now, I'll throw another thing out there: run more often. Yep, run more often! Cut the length of your runs and run more often at an easy pace. Instead of doing an 8 miler at your normal pace run two 4 milers on some of your days. Your body will start to feel better when you do this on your easy days. Once again frequency of running is directly linked to efficiency. If you run more often, you improve your efficiency. You run along using less energy.

    Have you ever noticed that many of the elites do a lot of double days? Often, elite runners won't run more than about an about an hour in any single run. Why do you think that is? Is it because they are too lazy to run further? Not a chance! It's because they know that they can do more volume per day and per week if they keep individual runs under a certain limit. There's a lot of trauma to connective tissue and cell membranes that happens beyond a certain amount of distance work.

    But the truth is the same principle can be used for lower mileage runners. Focus on doing your key workouts twice per week well (very well) and just put in easy distance in whatever way makes your body feel good the remainder of the days. Doubling takes organisation and sacrifice but it does pay big dividends - even as short as 3-5 weeks for some runners.

    Tergat


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    FITZA wrote: »
    Hi Ososlo, I have been following your log for some time now...tis great :)....well done on your restraint, not training with a niggling injury...hopefully its all good for you from here on. However, due to your injury, I did get some great tips from the posters on your log i.e. Myrtl routine...to keep me going :) Good luck with the MSB 5k.... I've entered it too :)

    thanks FITZA and delighted my injury benefited you:D
    I'm gonna start the Myrtl routine soon so would be interested to hear how you're finding it?
    Good luck with the MSB training. Not sure I'll do it now due to this injury thing scuppering my training plans.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Thanks for linking that thread ososlo!!
    I think I read that way back when doing the 4 day per week HH noive 1 progarmme and it would have went way over my head at the time.

    Gavlor, I'm afraid Tergat's opinion trumps yours :p

    No problem:D It's in my file of "Super Posts for Future Reference"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Gavlor


    Meh!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Darren 83 wrote: »
    You definitely deserve a new pb after all the work you put in

    ha yeah you would think but they don't call me Ososlo for nothing;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭FITZA


    Ososlo wrote: »
    thanks FITZA and delighted my injury benefited you:D
    I'm gonna start the Myrtl routine soon so would be interested to hear how you're finding it?
    Good luck with the MSB training. Not sure I'll do it now due to this injury thing scuppering my training plans.

    Sorry Ososlo....that probably sounded awful...your injury helping me:( I too have a niggling injury but am ignoring it as best I can and haven't stopped running, very probably most unwise:(....(left hamstring, glute tight, sore), I have been doing lots of warming up before running, and stretching/strengthening after runs...rolling as well, especially the glute. I'm only doing the Myrtl routine a few days but do find that it is helping. I have entered two races, the MSB 5k and the K Club 10k (my first race in the 'half century' overs :eek:), that is why I'm so keen to keep running until 12th April...then I will rest and drink and enjoy life as an auld one!!....for a few weeks anyhow :D I hope you get to do the MSB 5k, a few days back and you will be flying again :) I will follow with interest :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    FITZA wrote: »
    Sorry Ososlo....that probably sounded awful...your injury helping me:( I too have a niggling injury but am ignoring it as best I can and haven't stopped running, very probably most unwise:(....(left hamstring, glute tight, sore), I have been doing lots of warming up before running, and stretching/strengthing after runs...rolling as well, especially the glute. I'm only doing the Myrtl routine a few days but do find that it is helping. I have entered two races, the MSB 5k and the K Club 10k (my first race in the 'half century' overs :eek:), that is why I'm so keen to keep running until 12th April...then I will rest and drink and enjoy life as an auld one!!....for a few weeks anyhow :D I hope you get to do the MSB 5k, a few days back and you will be flying again :) I will follow with interest :)
    LOL I'm delighted my injury had a positive effect on someone. That's what these logs are all about - learning from one another. Where else would you get it? Boards is fantastic for that.
    Might be worth going to see someone about your issues and if you get someone who really understands running then it mightn't just be a case of 'stop running' which is what I'm guessing that you fear...
    Good luck with the rest of the training!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭SamforMayo


    FITZA wrote: »
    Sorry Ososlo....that probably sounded awful...your injury helping me:( I too have a niggling injury but am ignoring it as best I can and haven't stopped running, very probably most unwise:(....(left hamstring, glute tight, sore), I have been doing lots of warming up before running, and stretching/strengthening after runs...rolling as well, especially the glute. I'm only doing the Myrtl routine a few days but do find that it is helping. I have entered two races, the MSB 5k and the K Club 10k (my first race in the 'half century' overs :eek:), that is why I'm so keen to keep running until 12th April...then I will rest and drink and enjoy life as an auld one!!....for a few weeks anyhow :D I hope you get to do the MSB 5k, a few days back and you will be flying again :) I will follow with interest :)
    I like that Myrtl routine too, maybe you should rest for a few days and see if it helps your niggle, its not worth chancing doing damage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,687 ✭✭✭Darren 83


    Ososlo wrote: »
    ha yeah you would think but they don't call me Ososlo for nothing;)


    Are you doing any speed work?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Darren 83 wrote: »
    Are you doing any speed work?
    yeah was doing 2 good sessions a week up until my injury/strain last week. Hills and intervals. Back to it soon once I'm sure this strain is 100% gone, although I might be leaving the hills alone for a while. Progress going well up until this minor setback.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,687 ✭✭✭Darren 83


    Ososlo wrote: »
    yeah was doing 2 good sessions a week up until my injury/strain last week. Hills and intervals. Back to it soon once I'm sure this strain is 100% gone, although I might be leaving the hills alone for a while. Progress going well up until this minor setback.

    I was looking at the St. Pats race is it flat?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Darren 83 wrote: »
    I was looking at the St. Pats race is it flat?

    yep lovely flat course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,687 ✭✭✭Darren 83


    Ososlo wrote: »
    yep lovely flat course.

    id like to do it, do you have a garmin link for it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Darren 83 wrote: »
    id like to do it, do you have a garmin link for it?
    you'll get it over on this thread:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=87498211


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭Cleanman


    Darren/Osolo, met a guy today who said the course is changing ever so slightly. They're not able to use Dawson st anymore so the race is staring and finishing on the green with a little extra bit on Baggot st (there's a U turn around Larry Murphy's pub). Other than that, it's the same course. Lovely flat course, love this race.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭FITZA


    Ososlo wrote: »
    LOL I'm delighted my injury had a positive effect on someone. That's what these logs are all about - learning from one another. Where else would you get it? Boards is fantastic for that.
    Might be worth going to see someone about your issues and if you get someone who really understands running then it mightn't just be a case of 'stop running' which is what I'm guessing that you fear...
    Good luck with the rest of the training!

    Thanks Ososlo...I've had this 'injury' for few weeks now and it isn't getting any worse, I can do all warm ups, strengthening, myrtl exercises and all the training I plan to do i.e. tempo runs, intervals, lsr (which I do on grass), apart from me being very aware of it and in a bit of pain I can live with it. I know I should rest it and I do take 2 rest days a week (which your post from Tergat has me really thinking about :confused: ) Also I always rest a day or even 2 before a race and reading that post would contradict that completely!! I really want to continue until 12th April and hope I can but obviously if injury worsens I will stop :( I agree Boards has been fantastic for all running related issues (and I'm sure lots of other issues!!)


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