Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 Mod warning post#7005

22-02-2014 01:16AM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The Mail going with City in for Skrtel if we miss the CL.

Sourse

Mail from 2012?

Agent Coulson · 22-02-2014 01:17AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Mail from 2012?

No 2014 a replacement for Lescott when he leaves in the summer

YouTookMyName · 22-02-2014 01:38AM

LiamoSail wrote: »

Moyes is a good manager having a bad season. His 15 years at Everton and Preston are testament to this.

Moyes is an average manager having a standard season.

Strongbow10 · 22-02-2014 01:51AM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The Mail going with City in for Skrtel if we miss the CL.

Source

Perfect opportunity to cash in then even if we do make the champions league.

Skrtel likes one stormer of a season followed by a stinker.

Let him off to City provided they pay well over the odds, i'm talking 20million+

LiamoSail · 22-02-2014 01:57AM

YouTookMyName wrote: »

Moyes is an average manager having a standard season.

Given this is his worst season as a manager, it's hardly a standard season for him. Average managers don't regularly finish in the top 6 on a shoe string budget.

I'm not saying he's a great manager, but disregarding what he did at everton on the basis of his start as United manager is short sighted

NukaCola · 22-02-2014 02:37AM

LiamoSail wrote: »

Given this is his worst season as a manager, it's hardly a standard season for him. Average managers don't regularly finish in the top 6 on a shoe string budget.

I'm not saying he's a great manager, but disregarding what he did at everton on the basis of his start as United manager is short sighted

Can you please elaborate on bolded section above? Its quite clearly not his worst season as a manager by a long shot. Its in fact much closer to his best season than worst.

This regularly finishing in the top 6 argument is just so so lazy. I'm open to correction but in the 11 seasons he has been manager of Everton they have finished in the top 6 a total of 5 times. Not regular at all. In the last 4 seasons he finished in the top 6 once.

Just because you do a good job with a certain team in certain circumstances does not necessarily mean you can be a winner of leagues and trophies with a bigger club. While Moyes has done a good job at Everton he couldn't bring them any further, whether that was in or out of his control is debatable. One thing is for sure, Moyes was a gamble Utd did not need to take. For one of the biggest gig in EPL you should have one hell of a CV. Moyes doing well at a club outside the top 4 doesn't make him a stand out candidate and they will suffer for that gamble.

T-K-O · 22-02-2014 02:42AM

NukaCola wrote: »

Can you please elaborate on bolded section above? Its quite clearly not his worst season as a manager by a long shot. Its in fact much closer to his best season than worst.

This regularly finishing in the top 6 argument is just so so lazy. I'm open to correction but in the 11 seasons he has been manager of Everton they have finished in the top 6 a total of 5 times. Not regular at all. In the last 4 seasons he finished in the top 6 once.

Just because you do a good job with a certain team in certain circumstances does not necessarily mean you can be a winner of leagues and trophies with a bigger club. While Moyes has done a good job at Everton he couldn't bring them any further, whether that was in or out of his control is debatable. One thing is for sure, Moyes was a gamble Utd did not need to take. For one of the biggest gig in EPL you should have one hell of a CV. Moyes doing well at a club outside the top 4 doesn't make him a stand out candidate and they will suffer for that gamble.

It's really not - considering their budget that was success for Everton. Like the smaller clubs in Spain whenever they discovered a star or built a strong team they would inevitably loose that player (s) the following season.

mada999 · 22-02-2014 02:50AM

wow my band just got featured on Anfield wrap, nice

:pac: 3pts Sunday please

22-02-2014 06:27AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

It's not that long ago we had a bumbling manager who rambled complete garbage too.

/Shudder

yeah...not long ago.

~Rebel~ · 22-02-2014 07:37AM

Liam O wrote: »

yeah...not long ago.

If you're doing well, you can say anything you want.

hefferboi · 22-02-2014 08:08AM

Has this been posted?

Gerrard talking about Sterling:

Steven Gerrard has never been one to duck a tackle, but the Liverpool skipper admits he avoids Raheem Sterling in training.

Gerrard claims winger Sterling is the Anfield giants’ hardest player, even though he is just 19 years old and 5ft 7in tall.

“He is the toughest in our squad,” said the Reds' captain. “I don’t go near him in training because if I do, there is only one winner!

“He just needs to keep learning and listening to Brendan Rodgers and the experienced players in the dressing room and believing in himself. If he does that, he’ll be all right.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpools-steven-gerrard-raheem-sterling-3163173

NukaCola · 22-02-2014 10:05AM

Liam O wrote: »

yeah...not long ago.

Brendan likes to say cheesey stuff alright, i'd rather hear that and win games than hear the ****e that Hodgson was spouting and watching awful football and results.....you get what i'm saying, your hearing and watching similar now from Moyes.

Milkers · 22-02-2014 10:10AM

Most of those Rodger's quotes are from his early days at Liverpool when he was clearly trying too hard to "sound the part" which often backfired. He seems more relaxed now. Also a good few of them are only 3/4 out of 10 on the cringe scale.

NukaCola · 22-02-2014 10:11AM

T-K-O wrote: »

It's really not - considering their budget that was success for Everton.

I agree, think he done a good job at Everton. All i'm saying is some people can point to the fact that he could not push them on where maybe another manager could.

Iused2likebusts · 22-02-2014 10:11AM

Rooney 300k a week. Showing my age but I remember the uproar when barnes was the first 10k a week player in the league. In little over 20 years these wages have gone up by a multiple of 30 times.

Turtyturd · 22-02-2014 10:15AM

NukaCola wrote: »

Brendan likes to say cheesey stuff alright, i'd rather hear that and win games than hear the ****e that Hodgson was spouting and watching awful football and results.....you get what i'm saying, your hearing and watching similar now from Moyes.

Bit of an unnecessary dig at 'The chosen one' there....the league has been fixed. :pac:

D'Agger · 22-02-2014 10:24AM

Liam O wrote: »

yeah...not long ago.

Would love to see some of the quotes shown to some fans with Shanks name after them and see what they'd say then, We could call it a Shankly-bo experiment

Jesus Wept · 22-02-2014 10:26AM

mike65 wrote: »

Anyone watching Konoplyanka? Probably the best player out there, some lovely touches and pace (left Dawson for dead a couple of times, okay not that hard). The pitch is a typical east European disgrace - he'd be brilliant on grass!

So was Bob Marley.

djPSB · 22-02-2014 10:31AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

It's not that long ago we had a bumbling manager who rambled complete garbage too.

/Shudder

Being able to deal with the media and having a little bit of charisma is very important.

Rodgers got a bit of grief when results weren't great at the start of his first season. He didn't make excuses and powered on.

LiamoSail · 22-02-2014 10:58AM

NukaCola wrote: »

Can you please elaborate on bolded section above? Its quite clearly not his worst season as a manager by a long shot. Its in fact much closer to his best season than worst.

This regularly finishing in the top 6 argument is just so so lazy. I'm open to correction but in the 11 seasons he has been manager of Everton they have finished in the top 6 a total of 5 times. Not regular at all. In the last 4 seasons he finished in the top 6 once.

Just because you do a good job with a certain team in certain circumstances does not necessarily mean you can be a winner of leagues and trophies with a bigger club. While Moyes has done a good job at Everton he couldn't bring them any further, whether that was in or out of his control is debatable. One thing is for sure, Moyes was a gamble Utd did not need to take. For one of the biggest gig in EPL you should have one hell of a CV. Moyes doing well at a club outside the top 4 doesn't make him a stand out candidate and they will suffer for that gamble.

I think your reasoning of what makes a good or bad season is flawed. I'd maintain that to be seventh with everton doesn't necessarily represent a bad season. To be seventh with United certainly does.

Moyes has consistently punched above his weight with everton. I his net spend per season there was only three or four million, I don't think there's a single club that survived in the league with less during that period, let alone made the top six, seven or eight in what nine or ten of his 11 years there

Moyes, this season, has United punching well below their weight. An equivelant performance at Everton would probably see them fighting relegation. In his career, he has never before now had his side performing so much below their potential. To say that this represents an average season for Moyes is just false IMO, and disregards a large number of relevant factors

Regarding his appointment at United, while it easy say now he's not the man for the job, I think he deserved it.

If an excellent performance as manager of a club 6/7 positions further down the league isn't adequate experience to qualify a manager for a bigger job, then what is? This isn't Spain or Italy, managers tend not to move from one top 4 club to another, so united were never going to appoint a manager from another top English club.

For any manager to get a shot at a top club, someone has had to take a chance somewhere along the line and promote. Was Mourinho qualified for the Porto job? Wenger for the Arsenal job? Pep for the Barca job? Does a top 4 manager always have to come from abroad?

While it doesn't look like Moyes is working out and there are others probably better qualified for the job, obviously Mourinho being the stand out candidate, to suggest Moyes wasn't deserving, after the excellent job he did at everton for so long, is nonsense IMO. He's worked his way up and earned his chance. Its only right that the top jobs in England are open to those who have proved themselves in the league from the bottom up

NukaCola · 22-02-2014 11:13AM

LiamoSail wrote: »

to suggest Moyes wasn't deserving, after the excellent job he did at everton for so long, is nonsense IMO. He's worked his way up and earned his chance. Its only right that the top jobs in England are open to those who have proved themselves in the league from the bottom up

I never said he didnt earn his chance of managing a top side or that he is a poor manager, just that he was an average manager who could deal in a tough situation and he didn't deserve the top EPL job. Evertons average finish under Moyes was 8th, never won a trophy, never managed a team in the CL group stages. Is that was good enough to take over the EPL champions? I dont think so, sure other teams took a risk on unproven managers but Utd really didnt need to take that gamble. I'm not getting into this debate again, and certainly not here, lets just say i'm very happy DM is at Utd and hope he stays there for years and years.

Speak Now · 22-02-2014 11:29AM

NukaCola wrote: »

I never said he didnt earn his chance of managing a top side or that he is a poor manager, just that he was an average manager who could deal in a tough situation and he didn't deserve the top EPL job. Evertons average finish under Moyes was 8th, never won a trophy, never managed a team in the CL group stages. Is that was good enough to take over the EPL champions? I dont think so, sure other teams took a risk on unproven managers but Utd really didnt need to take that gamble. I'm not getting into this debate again, and certainly not here, lets just say i'm very happy DM is at Utd and hope he stays there for years and years.

Which is probably not far away where they are in turnover and wages as well.

22-02-2014 11:31AM

NukaCola wrote: »

Brendan likes to say cheesey stuff alright, i'd rather hear that and win games than hear the ****e that Hodgson was spouting and watching awful football and results.....you get what i'm saying, your hearing and watching similar now from Moyes.

Wasn't Rodgers saying this stuff when Liverpool were in United's current position? I can deal with one bad season, I realise that I've been somewhat spoiled as a United fan but I have faith that it will come good again soon, Moyes or no Moyes. I'd prefer him to get the time rather than hastily sack him like Liverpool did with Hodgson and plummet into a much deeper mess. So far Moyes has signed Fellaini and Mata, Hodgson was about to bring in Suarez for Liverpool who would have turned it around, and going on that, probably would have brought in better players than Carroll and Downing given the same money as Kenny. But you want to know the kicker? As much as you all seem to want it to be, it's not in anyway similar to Moyes at United and the constant comparisons are getting a bit stupid.

brevity · 22-02-2014 11:38AM

Hodgson signed Konchesky, had us floating around relegation and saying things like "I hope they don't score 10" before playing city.

He wouldn't have known what to do with Suarez and probably would have had him sold for pittance because he didn't want the hassle of dealing him

Moyes might be having a bad time of it but Hodgson was absolutely clueless and signing him was a complete **** up.

22-02-2014 11:43AM

brevity wrote: »

Hodgson signed Konchesky, had us floating around relegation and saying things like "I hope they don't score 10" before playing city.

He wouldn't have known what to do with Suarez and probably would have had him sold for pittance because he didn't want the hassle of dealing him

Moyes might be having a bad time of it but Hodgson was absolutely clueless and signing him was a complete **** up.

Hodgson was given no money in his first window. He pretty much signed Suarez so I'm fairly sure would have played him where every other manager, bar Rodgers for a time if I remember correctly, played him. As a central striker. How badly could Hodgson have messed that up? I'd wager that he would have had him playing to a higher standard a lot sooner than Kenny managed.

DrumSteve · 22-02-2014 11:53AM

Liam O wrote: »

Hodgson was given no money in his first window. He pretty much signed Suarez so I'm fairly sure would have played him where every other manager, bar Rodgers for a time if I remember correctly, played him. As a central striker. How badly could Hodgson have messed that up? I'd wager that he would have had him playing to a higher standard a lot sooner than Kenny managed.

It was a pretty sad time for all involved tbh. He seemed like a decent chap but some of the ****e he came out with was unbelievable.

Even though Kenny's reign bore some bad fruit, he was great to have back; a lot because he said the right things and he had us playing some good football.

Famous victories and paul konchesky is what ill remember about Roy.

MonkeyTennis · 22-02-2014 11:55AM

Hodgson pretty much signed Suarez in what universe?

5live · 22-02-2014 11:57AM

Liam O wrote: »

Hodgson was given no money in his first window. He pretty much signed Suarez so I'm fairly sure would have played him where every other manager, bar Rodgers for a time if I remember correctly, played him. As a central striker. How badly could Hodgson have messed that up? I'd wager that he would have had him playing to a higher standard a lot sooner than Kenny managed.

Very very badly, if truth be told.

Somehow i couldnt see Suarez thriving with little supply of the ball, let alone little quality ball being played to him.

Chasing down hoofballs from the defense is not the type of ball that Suarez or Liverpool supporters would like to be seeing but that seemed to be the default option for Hodgson as manager.

Can we drop Hodgson from the conversation? Just as i begin to forget that he was EVER at the club, someone brings that individual up again.:mad:

22-02-2014 12:03PM

5live wrote: »

Very very badly, if truth be told.

Somehow i couldnt see Suarez thriving with little supply of the ball, let alone little quality ball being played to him.

Chasing down hoofballs from the defense is not the type of ball that Suarez or Liverpool supporters would like to be seeing but that seemed to be the default option for Hodgson as manager.

Can we drop Hodgson from the conversation? Just as i begin to forget that he was EVER at the club, someone brings that individual up again.:mad:

Ha, fair enough. I still think he gets a rough time compared to the likes of Kenny when he has shown himself to be a far more adaptable and capable manager than Kenny. Maybe Liverpool will be what he's remembered for but if you look at the rest of his career I think that with the addition of Suarez and probably another in the same ilk once Torres was sold you could have been looking at a far better time than the football Kenny was playing and advocating buying Downing and Carroll. Now maybe he would have signed those lads but I think a corner would have been turned after the Suarez signing regardless of manager.

NukaCola · 22-02-2014 12:05PM

Liam O wrote: »

Wasn't Rodgers saying this stuff when Liverpool were in United's current position? I can deal with one bad season, I realise that I've been somewhat spoiled as a United fan but I have faith that it will come good again soon, Moyes or no Moyes. I'd prefer him to get the time rather than hastily sack him like Liverpool did with Hodgson and plummet into a much deeper mess. So far Moyes has signed Fellaini and Mata, Hodgson was about to bring in Suarez for Liverpool who would have turned it around, and going on that, probably would have brought in better players than Carroll and Downing given the same money as Kenny. But you want to know the kicker? As much as you all seem to want it to be, it's not in anyway similar to Moyes at United and the constant comparisons are getting a bit stupid.

You misunderstand me. Hodgsons press conferences were awful, he talked a lot of nonsense. Also the football was just hideous to watch. I'm comparing both those traits to Moyes, no more, not circumstances wages, players bought. Utd are awful to watch, as is Moyes pressers. That would have never changed under Hodgson and wont change under Moyes.

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