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Garda Ombudsman offices bugged

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  • #1142
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    This Govt is finished.


  • #1143
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Caledonia wrote: »
    Sorry but it's accepted by GSOC that the connection was Insomnia wifi in the same building.
    Sean O Rourke said yesterday the people laughing at the Williams story on his show on Tuesday weren't laughing any more.

    Linking to a journal article with a statement from Verrimus that doesn't address this fully is a bit useless. Their issue is that the device shouldn't have been able to link with the Insomnia wifi. GSOC have said they were holding meetings in Capel St coffee shops...

    According to GSOC, this particular device was part of an internal w-ifi system that was password protected. Point 2 of Verrimus`s statement claims that this device was "forced". Technical speak that it was hacked and the password by-passed creating an open system that could be accessed externally.
    I haven`t heard anything from Shatter`s Rits "peer" review denying that it was a password protected internal system, so if it was accessible from Insomnia as Williams claims, it would appear that he has only strengthened Verrimus`s statement and the GSOC suspicons they were being hacked/bugged whatever name you want to put on it.


  • #1144
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    Banjo String wrote: »
    This Govt is finished.

    i'd love to be on the streets with thousands giving the government their final push!! :pac::pac:

    the next crowd in might show a little more respect to the hand that feeds them!!


  • #1145
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    renegademaster wrote: »
    i'd love to be on the streets with thousands giving the government their final push!! :pac::pac:

    the next crowd in might show a little more respect to the hand that feeds them!!

    Ha ha, hilarious. Bring back FF after a couple of years in opposition, I'm sure they're very very sorry for how they behaved when in power.


  • #1146
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Ha ha, hilarious. Bring back FF after a couple of years in opposition, I'm sure they're very very sorry for how they behaved when in power.

    A bit of humility from Shatter who appointed a donor to his election fund in place of a civil servant as confidential recipient, as well as himself, Kenny and Callinan, another government appointee, for sitting on their hands over allegations of Garda corruption and their treatment of whistleblowers mightn`t be a bad idea.
    Although for at least some of them, if not all, that`s probably too late to save them now.


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  • #1147
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    Why are Shatter and Callinan still in post?


  • #1148
    Joshua J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Joshua J


    renegademaster wrote: »
    i'd love to be on the streets with thousands giving the government their final push!! :pac::pac:

    the next crowd in might show a little more respect to the hand that feeds them!!

    Don't be under any illusion, you work for the government not the other way around.


  • #1149
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    sopretty wrote: »
    Why are Shatter and Callinan still in post?

    That is starting to look like the Catholic Church`s explaination of the Holy Trinity.
    A divine mystery.:)


  • #1150
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    charlie14 wrote: »
    That is starting to look like the Catholic Church`s explaination of the Holy Trinity.
    A divine mystery.:)

    It's a meestery!


  • #1151
    shampon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 580 ✭✭✭shampon


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Is there any other dirty laundry hidden within Dept of Justice or Garda files?

    Realistically, yes.


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  • #1152
    Birroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    From what I can gather, the Gardaí have treated the office of the Ombudsman with utter contempt since it was set up. The Gardai have blocked their investigations at all times and their hierarchy supported this.
    Shatter was forced to take sides in this spat and of course picked the Gardaí because he is essentially afraid of them.

    Shatter, resign because you are compromised

    Callinane, resign because you're a disgrace

    GSOC, abolish and re-establish with more power.

    Out country is ****ty in a lot of ways but like in 1922 the next step should be to reform the Gardaí and make them trustworthy again. If you can't trust the Gardaí to do the right thing, then all you get is corruption. And we have lots of it.


  • #1153
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Ha ha, hilarious. Bring back FF after a couple of years in opposition, I'm sure they're very very sorry for how they behaved when in power.

    it doesn't matter which party is in power if we continue show them all that nothing will actually happen if they follow/enable the corrupt practices of their predecessors.

    see my point yet?


  • #1154
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    Joshua J wrote: »
    Don't be under any illusion, you work for the government not the other way around.

    oh believe me i understand the way the system works

    but i cannot understand for the life of me why 4,000,000+ people feel they have no other option but to just vote the current corrupt shower out in april 2016!


  • #1155
    Hootanany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    We need a Irish Ghandee.


  • #1156
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Scumbags in the Dail and high up in the Gardai.

    The Examiner is leading the charge in Irish media;

    In the conversation, Connolly was outlining to McCabe the political realities of the situation. Is it reasonable to assume that in appointing a supporter, this is precisely what Shatter would have wanted him to do?

    In any event, any suggestion that Shatter would go after McCabe proved to be prophetic. At every turn over the last 18 months, the justice minister acted to stymie the garda whistleblower.

    At first, Shatter rubbished allegations McCabe and his former colleague John Wilson made about malpractice in deleting penalty points. When the internal Garda report into the matter — now largely discredited — was published, Shatter called into question the bone fides of the whistleblowers.

    Last October, the minister told the Dáil that the whistleblowers “didn’t co-operate with the internal Garda inquiry”. This was completely erroneous. Neither man was even approached to be interviewed in the inquiry.

    When McCabe brought his complaints to the Public Accounts Committee, Shatter attempted to ensure he didn’t give evidence by very belatedly referring the whole affair to the Garda Ombudsman. Not once did he as much as lift a finger to protect the whistleblowers, preferring instead to back the Garda Commissioner at every turn.

    Last month, Commissioner Callinan said he found the whistleblowers’ complaints to be “disgusting”.

    Back in June 2011, on Connolly’s appointment, Shatter issued the following high-minded statement: “Any member or civilian employee of An Garda Síochána who wishes to report in confidence about corruption and malpractice can be assured that any such report will be taken seriously and extensive protections will be given to him or her.”

    How hollow those words ring now that we know what we know.


    The full story: http://www.irishexaminer.com/analysis/shatter-struggles-to-find-a-fall-guy-259318.html


  • #1157
    MilanPan!c
    Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    Hootanany wrote: »
    We need a Irish Ghandee.

    I'm sure he'll be here soon; he's just running 20 mins late.


  • #1158
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Hootanany wrote: »
    We need a Irish Ghandee.

    Maybe you mean Gandhi. I don't think his ideas on drink would suit us.

    https://www.sarcajc.com/mahatma_Gandhi___liquor.html


  • #1159
    Hootanany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    It's the Hindu spelling.


  • #1160
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Hootanany wrote: »
    We need a Irish Ghandee.

    Gandhi! This shower would have taxed the blanket off his back.


  • #1161
    Hootanany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    No to inspire an uprising against this corrupt Government.


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  • #1162
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Hootanany wrote: »
    It's the Hindu spelling.

    Maybe you mean Hindi. And it isn't.

    The following is a sample text in High Hindi, of the Article 1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (by the United Nations):
    Hindi अनुच्छेद 1 — सभी मनुष्यों को गौरव और अधिकारों के मामले में जन्मजात स्वतन्त्रता और समानता प्राप्त हैं। उन्हें बुद्धि और अन्तरात्मा की देन प्राप्त है और परस्पर उन्हें भाईचारे के भाव से बर्ताव करना चाहिए।


  • #1163
    Hootanany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    I bet you put your left sock on first.


  • #1164
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Hootanany wrote: »
    I bet you put your left sock on first.

    I have some left shoes but no left socks.


  • #1165
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Hootanany wrote: »
    We need a Irish Ghandee.

    We had one.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/member.php?u=73017


  • #1166
    Hootanany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    Where's he gone?


  • #1167
    strongback
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭strongback


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    I have some left shoes but no left socks.



    You go for the Don Johnson look?


  • #1168
    mbur
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭mbur


    charlie14 wrote: »
    According to GSOC, this particular device was part of an internal w-ifi system that was password protected. Point 2 of Verrimus`s statement claims that this device was "forced". Technical speak that it was hacked and the password by-passed creating an open system that could be accessed externally.
    I haven`t heard anything from Shatter`s Rits "peer" review denying that it was a password protected internal system, so if it was accessible from Insomnia as Williams claims, it would appear that he has only strengthened Verrimus`s statement and the GSOC suspicons they were being hacked/bugged whatever name you want to put on it.

    Thanks for that clarification. So you are saying there was no suspect device in the office. Just a device with suspect software. The big question there is how did that software get there.

    One of the threats identified by Verrimus was the presence of a fake UK wifi signal in GSOC's office. Paul Williams was attacking this assertion.

    The issue of the hacked router (or whatever) in the boardroom would only be relevant to that arguement if it were possible to furthur hack said "device" to generate said UK signal. Either way Williams is wrong to contend an innocent explanation.


  • #1169
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I have been taking a look at Verrimus. People on AH are not usually that credulous about information from shadowy sources, especially as in this case it is filtered through the very murky lens of a News International publication.

    Verrimus started up at the end of 2010, it has one director, net assets of £7,221 (in 2012) and less than 10 employees. Not details you might expect when you visit their impressive looking website but this could be normal in business.

    Maybe it can call on ex GCHQ types for it's expertise but the only operative I can find is a former policeman. Former because he left the force in disgrace. He appears to have made rapid progress in Verrimus to the level of Team Leader and Qualified Instructor. Nice juicy story there for any of our media looking for another angle on the whole affair. I couldn't find any connection between them and Simon O'Brien. O'Brien should know a lot about bent coppers coming from the Met.

    http://www.verrimus.com/

    http://companycheck.co.uk/company/07469262/financial-accounts

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/local-news/chief-inspector-resigns-over-refusing-1370984

    http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-barrett/58/80b/431


  • #1170
    bridster007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭bridster007


    Does it actually matter whether it turns out to have been bugged or not - surely if GSOC had suspicions then they had a right and an obligation to investigate. Even if nothing was found it does not take away from that right or obligation.


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  • #1171
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    I have been taking a look at Verrimus.

    Maybe it can call on ex GCHQ types for it's expertise but the only operative I can find is a former policeman. Former because he left the force in disgrace.

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/local-news/chief-inspector-resigns-over-refusing-1370984

    Refused a breath test.. himself and Shatter would get on well I'd say.

    What does the age of the company have to do with anything? RITS is less than 2 years old.. does that make their report less credible?

    You conveniently forgot to mention that Verrimus recently invested £500,000 in a new training facility.

    http://www.thejournal.co.uk/business/business-news/verrimus-ltd-invest-new-north-4392995

    Not a great attempt to discredit them at all really.


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