Garda Ombudsman offices bugged

Sleephead · 19-02-2014 05:53PM

I still cant decipher if the offices were bugged or not?!

whatsthetime · 19-02-2014 05:57PM

Sleephead wrote: »

I still cant decipher if the offices were bugged or not?!

According to Shatter "There was no unauthorized" bugging.

Of course there could have been authorized bugging

Now. Who would carry out authorized bugging in Ireland???

Bits_n_Bobs · 19-02-2014 06:01PM

Sleephead wrote: »

I still cant decipher if the offices were bugged or not?!

Yes. Yes they were bugged.

sopretty · 19-02-2014 06:02PM

Birroc wrote: »

They both need to go. Callinane has been a disgrace for a long time.

And Enda as usual is being a clown. Good thing for him that we already think he is a clown so ignore him.

Enda might suddenly be taking any invitation to Europe very seriously.

renegademaster · 19-02-2014 07:04PM

Birroc wrote: »

They both need to go. Callinane has been a disgrace for a long time.

And Enda as usual is being a clown. Good thing for him that we already think he is a clown so ignore him.

and by ignoring him we enable his bull**** politics until april 2016 when he's calling the next general elections ffs!!

APRIL 2016!! :eek:

renegademaster · 19-02-2014 07:05PM

sopretty wrote: »

Enda might suddenly be taking any invitation to Europe very seriously.

and the country will do nothing about it, furthering his career in politics and his luxurious lifestyle with multiple wages and pensions all at our expense!!

sopretty · 19-02-2014 07:19PM

renegademaster wrote: »

and the country will do nothing about it, furthering his career in politics and his luxurious lifestyle with multiple wages and pensions all at our expense!!

I bet he is already regretting his recent statement that he would see his term out.
If he doesn't sack shatter he is screwed lol. A lot of 'screwing' where shatter is involved it appears!
Not a word from callinan re the transcript. Interesting in and oif itself!

charlie14 · 19-02-2014 08:31PM

Filibuster wrote: »

Jaysus, if their report reads like that statement (particularly point 2) the Gardaí have nothing to worry about.

I wouldn't hire that firm to do anything more complicated then turn on my laptop.

Try reading all of point 2 before you loose the run of yourself,f with particular attention to the word FORCED!.

hatrickpatrick · 19-02-2014 08:36PM

renegademaster wrote: »

and by ignoring him we enable his bull**** politics until april 2016 when he's calling the next general elections ffs!!

APRIL 2016!! :eek:

You know it's only two years away, and if Shatter spends those two years giving such long winded and waffling answers to simple questions, we might get about 7 facts from him between now and then.

Caledonia · 19-02-2014 09:15PM

Sleephead wrote: »

I still cant decipher if the offices were bugged or not?!

Highly unlikely.

TheHappyChappy · 19-02-2014 09:19PM

Caledonia wrote: »

Highly unlikely.

Yes. Highly Unlikely that they were not bugged.

Whatever next - Garda Whistleblower's being threatened to keep stum.....

charlie14 · 19-02-2014 09:28PM

Caledonia wrote: »

Highly unlikely.

Have you missed Shatters views?
More than just highly unlikely it seems.
What a relief. LMAO.

Caledonia · 19-02-2014 10:03PM

Sorry but the Insomnia wifi thing was hilarious and the UK mobile phone signals (no GSOC staff have UK mobiles) - it's just not stacking up.

charlie14 · 19-02-2014 10:54PM

Caledonia wrote: »

Sorry but the Insomnia wifi thing was hilarious and the UK mobile phone signals (no GSOC staff have UK mobiles) - it's just not stacking up.

The Paul Williams "expose"? Hilarious alright. Discraceful journalism.

WilyCoyote · 19-02-2014 11:00PM

Caledonia wrote: »

Sorry but the Insomnia wifi thing was hilarious and the UK mobile phone signals (no GSOC staff have UK mobiles) - it's just not stacking up.

The INSOMNIA thing hilarious? Not if you're Shatter. It's keeping him awake at night

mbur · 19-02-2014 11:53PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

The INSOMNIA thing hilarious? Not if you're Shatter. It's keeping him awake at night

So it should. A crude and damaging attempt to divert attention.

Paul Williams was a fool to publish and an even bigger fool to try to out expert the experts. He doesn't have a clue.

renegademaster · 20-02-2014 12:24AM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

The INSOMNIA thing hilarious? Not if you're Shatter. It's keeping him awake at night

we enable some pretty fcuked up people to do some pretty fcuked up $hit and then do nothing about it, repeatidly!!

the following is a more accurate description of what happens the world over in these types of situations

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26260790

The phone hacking trial has heard details of an email sent by Rebekah Brooks in which she claims to have received advice from former Prime Minister Tony Blair. Mrs Brooks spoke to Mr Blair on the telephone and passed on what he said to James Murdoch, who was then News International executive chairman, the Old Bailey trial heard.
The email read:
"Only got ten minutes before I see Charlie for confiscation!
But I had an hour on the phone to Tony Blair.
He said:
1. Form an independent unit that has a outside junior council, ken macdonald, a great and good type, a serious forensic criminal barrister, internal counsel, proper fact checkers etc in it. Get them to investigate me and others and publish a hutton style report.
2. Publish part one of the report at same time as the police closes its inquiry and clear you and accept short comings and new solutions and process and part two when any trials are over.
3. Keep strong and definitely sleeping pills. Need to have clear heads and remember no rash short term solutions as they only give you long term headaches.
4. It will pass. Tough up.
5. He is available for you, KRM and me as an unofficial adviser but needs to be between us.
He is sending more notes later."
Ken Macdonald, whom Mrs Brooks referred to in the email, is a former director of public prosecutions.
Mrs Brooks also said Tony Blair had urged her to set up a "Hutton style" inquiry. This was a reference to the inquiry into the death of government weapons adviser Dr David Kelly. Its report exonerated Mr Blair and other officials over flawed evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, including the so-called "dodgy dossier".

aloyisious · 20-02-2014 12:52AM

Are the wolves sniffing at Alan's door? Tonight with Vincent Browne - journalist mention's the political friendship between the former Garda Confidential ............. and Alan. Michael Martin send's Enda a file on murder, abduction, torture etc allegedly not properly investigated by an Garda Siochana. Will Donegal and the whistleblowers bring down Alan and Enda or will Enda ask him to fall on the sword to save the party? Does Michael's file include reference to allegations of collusion between AGS and a convicted drug dealer, overlooking his illegal activities for information? Is there any other dirty laundry hidden within Dept of Justice or Garda files?

Busted Flat. · 20-02-2014 01:01AM

aloyisious wrote: »

Are the wolves sniffing at Alan's door? Tonight with Vincent Browne - journalist mention's the political friendship between the former Garda Confidential ............. and Alan. Michael Martin send's Enda a file on murder, abduction, torture etc allegedly not properly investigated by an Garda Siochana. Will Donegal and the whistleblowers bring down Alan and Enda or will Enda ask him to fall on the sword to save the party? Does Michael's file include reference to allegations of collusion between AGS and a convicted drug dealer, overlooking his illegal activities for information? Is there any other dirty laundry hidden within Dept of Justice or Garda files?

There is only a little hole in the can of worms, hopefully someone will come to the fore with a sharper opener, and can get it fully opened. That would be like winning the Euro millions. But we live in hope.

charlie14 · 20-02-2014 01:28AM

Shatter`s to selfrightous and arrogant to fall on his sword, and Enda is either to scared or too stupid to sack him. Shatter has already shafted Connoly in an effort to save his own skin. What`s the betting a lot of manure is now going to be shifted onto Callinans plate in another exercise at saving Shatter! Not that I would have any sympathy for Callinan especially after his disgraceful porformance in front of the Public Accounts Committee

Caledonia · 20-02-2014 08:43AM

mbur wrote: »

So it should. A crude and damaging attempt to divert attention.

Paul Williams was a fool to publish and an even bigger fool to try to out expert the experts. He doesn't have a clue.

Sorry but it's accepted by GSOC that the connection was Insomnia wifi in the same building.
Sean O Rourke said yesterday the people laughing at the Williams story on his show on Tuesday weren't laughing any more.

Linking to a journal article with a statement from Verrimus that doesn't address this fully is a bit useless. Their issue is that the device shouldn't have been able to link with the Insomnia wifi. GSOC have said they were holding meetings in Capel St coffee shops...

MilanPan!c · 20-02-2014 09:55AM

Caledonia wrote: »

Sorry but it's accepted by GSOC that the connection was Insomnia wifi in the same building.
Sean O Rourke said yesterday the people laughing at the Williams story on his show on Tuesday weren't laughing any more.

Linking to a journal article with a statement from Verrimus that doesn't address this fully is a bit useless. Their issue is that the device shouldn't have been able to link with the Insomnia wifi. GSOC have said they were holding meetings in Capel St coffee shops...

Err.., you seem very confused.

The London-based company responded to reports that its staff's phones were to blame for a fake Mobile Country Code (MCC) and fake Mobile Network Code (MNC) detected during inspections last year.

"A mobile phone cannot create a 3G base station, so it is impossible," Verrimus said.

The company also rejected suggestions that a wi-fi network in an Insomnia coffee shop below the ombudsman's offices was responsible for the first telecomms anomaly uncovered during the sweeps.

It said a wi-fi device on a secure internal wireless local area network and used to transmit audio, video or data - such as the one in the ombudsman's office, should not be attached to and communicate with any device outside its own secure network.

...

Later, Gsoc reiterated that none of the security concerns identified by analysts can be easily explained.

...

On the concerns about a wi-fi system in the Gsoc boardroom being connected to an external wi-fi network, the ombudsman said its internal network should not have been accessed from outside.

The watchdog said its wi-fi - which could not communicate with any of its databases or electronic systems - was password protected and should not have been linked to another network without it.

"Its connection to an external network was, therefore, a concern," Gsoc said.

www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/gsoc-bugging-uk-security-firm-3157967

Caledonia · 20-02-2014 10:22AM

From your quote it seems it's GSOC that are confused. They seem to be using 'device' and 'wifi' interchangeably.

MilanPan!c · 20-02-2014 10:42AM

Caledonia wrote: »

From your quote it seems it's GSOC that are confused. They seem to be using 'device' and 'wifi' interchangeably.

That's the best ya got?

It's that you Paul Wlliams?

SpaceTime · 20-02-2014 10:54AM

Such a tangled web!

Every bit of it undermines our democracy and our ability to have confidence in public bodies and politicians.

The way it's being 'handled' is only making matters worse.

The public can see straight through the spin and while we don't know the facts, the spin is making it look really, really bad.

The whole thing is sickening.

MilanPan!c · 20-02-2014 10:59AM

SpaceTime wrote: »

Such a tangled web!

Every bit of it undermines our democracy and our ability to have confidence in public bodies and politicians.

The way it's being 'handled' is only making matters worse.

The public can see straight through the spin and while we don't know the facts, the spin is making it look really, really bad.

The whole thing is sickening.

Completely agreed.

The only upside is that a lot of long simmering issues are being thrust into the light. Maybe at least a couple of things will be resolved.

Maybe.

SpaceTime · 20-02-2014 11:18AM

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Completely agreed.

The only upside is that a lot of long simmering issues are being thrust into the light. Maybe at least a couple of things will be resolved.

Maybe.

It's a very big maybe.

There's quite a poor track record on this in Ireland. Usually it results in a meaningless enquiry and lessons aren't learned at all and then we go off and rinse and repeat.

Birroc · 20-02-2014 11:38AM

Listened to the interview of this woman on Pat Kenny's show

http://www.irishexaminer.com/analysis/a-question-of-cock-up-or-cover-up-250463.html

Pretty damning stuff - Gardaí screwed up, started cover-up, lost statements, ombudsman involved, poor leadership etc

20-02-2014 11:49AM

Birroc wrote: »

Listened to the interview of this woman on Pat Kenny's show

http://www.irishexaminer.com/analysis/a-question-of-cock-up-or-cover-up-250463.html

Pretty damning stuff - Gardaí screwed up, started cover-up, lost statements, ombudsman involved, poor leadership etc

Out of all that (and others), we only hear about penalty points?

What the ****?

MilanPan!c · 20-02-2014 11:53AM

SpaceTime wrote: »

It's a very big maybe.

There's quite a poor track record on this in Ireland. Usually it results in a meaningless enquiry and lessons aren't learned at all and then we go off and rinse and repeat.

I agree. It's a big if.

Trying to stay vaguely positive.

Garda Ombudsman offices bugged

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