Do RTE Really need the ministers permission to change a stations schedule ?

Elmo · 09-02-2014 01:28PM

Absolutely daft.

watty · 09-02-2014 04:47PM

Why is a totally inept ...

Oh never mind.

Elmo · 10-02-2014 10:50AM

watty wrote: »

Why is a totally inept ...

Oh never mind.

It took them a year to decide.

lertsnim · 10-02-2014 12:50PM

Oh how I wish TV3 and all belonging to it would be washed away with one of the floods.

Absolutely daft decision <MOD EDIT>

icdg · 10-02-2014 08:38PM

Play the ball not the man please

Elmo · 10-02-2014 11:32PM

icdg wrote: »

Play the ball not the man please

eamon Ryan got some criticism on this!!!

lertsnim · 11-02-2014 11:41AM

Can't even have an opinion on the minister around here.

Elmo · 11-02-2014 01:12PM

lertsnim wrote: »

Can't even have an opinion on the minister around here.

RabbitteGate like Cow&Gate but more slurry is involved.

<<<<<<<JOKE!

Macy0161 · 11-02-2014 01:17PM

Assuming he is just going to endorse the BAI decision, isn't that where the problem really lies? The sooner UTV are in the market, and so dilute the influence of TV3 the better.

Elmo · 11-02-2014 01:26PM

Macy0161 wrote: »

Assuming he is just going to endorse the BAI decision, isn't that where the problem really lies? The sooner UTV are in the market, and so dilute the influence of TV3 the better.

AFAIK and I could be wrong the Minister does not have to look for advice from the BAI.

RTÉ or TG4 propose a major change to their schedule or a new service

The Minister can read the proposal and decide if he considers them to be merited or not, he has a further option of asking the BAI to carry out two reports A Strategic Impact Analysis (SIA) and a Public Value Test (PVT). He can also as his Department to carry out a Public Consultation, however he did not request this. Though I do think the Department carried out some kind of public review. Once these reports are provided to the Minister he now can make a decision on the matter.

According to the Minister the BAI are independent from him and according to the BAI the Minister is independent from them.

This makes it very politically IMO. Even with the advise of the BAI and the Department the Minister can decide to do nothing.

If they want to have this kind of system the Minister needs to make a decision. In fairness to Carey he did make a decision, you might not agree with his final decision but he told RTÉ that they could do something, but not what they were proposing. If the report is correct Minister Rabbitte is basically going to Say No to the move, rather then ask for something that might be a suitable replacement.

Such proposals should be sent to the Dail Committee on Communications, they should report back to the minister on the options open to the department. (This is still very political).

icdg · 11-02-2014 11:05PM

Elmo you are on your last warning and will be getting a ban next time. Joke or no joke.

To clarify the issue, its okay to make legitimate criticism of a decision, indeed in this particular case I'm critical myself. When it moves to personal criticism or name calling of a person then it moves into what is not allowed.

Plus there is NO on-thread correspondence on moderation decisions and I'm making an exception this time since it seems to be being ignored. Next person who does it gets a ban without a warning.

Now back on topic please.

SPDUB · 13-02-2014 10:11AM

Seems like RTE should just close down RTEjr then .

It is just a drain on resources running it as a separate service when they are cutting even the smallest thing such as RTE Guides to RTE pensioners

dr Golden · 15-02-2014 08:33PM

RTE should just go ahead and change the rte 2 daytime schedule anyway. What can rabbitte do ? Fine them ? Close them down ? No legislation says rte 2 must show ad free kids shows from 7am/3pm

Elmo · 17-02-2014 07:17PM

dr Golden wrote: »

RTE should just go ahead and change the rte 2 daytime schedule anyway. What can rabbitte do ? Fine them ? Close them down ? No legislation says rte 2 must show ad free kids shows from 7am/3pm

It is a major change to the schedule. I asked the BAI why they considered it a major change when neither of its predecessors IRTC and BCI ever took notice of the major changes in the channels schedule with the introduction of Children's programming in 1988, and then the early daytime change with the removal of US programmes like McGyver in 1998 and that RTÉ TWO isn't a children's channel but rather a general entertainment channel, and could change its schedule in line with general entertainment. They said that was retrospective.

It is strange the 2fm changes weren't put to the minister.

dr Golden · 18-02-2014 07:20PM

Although its a complete waste of space broadcasting RTE JR on RTE 2 when it has its own channel, I don't think rte would use the space wisely if they got it back, Look at RTE 1's daytime line up, nothing but endless reruns of Irish cookery shows.

Elmo · 18-02-2014 08:26PM

dr Golden wrote: »

Although its a complete waste of space broadcasting RTE JR on RTE 2 when it has its own channel, I don't think rte would use the space wisely if they got it back, Look at RTE 1's daytime line up, nothing but endless reruns of Irish cookery shows.

Same can be said for most Daytime TV.

lertsnim · 19-02-2014 01:35PM

dr Golden wrote: »

Although its a complete waste of space broadcasting RTE JR on RTE 2 when it has its own channel, I don't think rte would use the space wisely if they got it back, Look at RTE 1's daytime line up, nothing but endless reruns of Irish cookery shows.

Bit of an exaggeration there. Schedules are showing one hour of cooking related programming. Could be worse. They could be showing cash in the attic type rubbish that's somehow popular in the UK.

iseegirls · 19-02-2014 05:53PM

dr Golden wrote: »

Although its a complete waste of space broadcasting RTE JR on RTE 2 when it has its own channel, I don't think rte would use the space wisely if they got it back, Look at RTE 1's daytime line up, nothing but endless reruns of Irish cookery shows.

It's hard for any channel to produce a daytime line-up which isn't devoid of repeats.

Following up on Cash in The Attic and Bargain Hunt in the UK - they normally appear in the Top 25 programmes watched every day during the weekdays. An amazing stat for 2 programmes that begin around midday.

dr Golden · 19-02-2014 06:22PM

Btw does anybody know what the ratings for RTE Jr and TRTE are like compared to the den a decade ago ?

Elmo · 19-02-2014 08:40PM

dr Golden wrote: »

Btw does anybody know what the ratings for RTE Jr and TRTE are like compared to the den a decade ago ?

Afaik they don't do to bad but with so many children's channels the market is very fragmented.

dr Golden · 20-02-2014 02:52PM

Elmo wrote: »

Same can be said for most Daytime TV.

RTE did decent daytime tv once imo, The big bite with David McWilliams 2004/2006

Elmo · 20-02-2014 04:14PM

dr Golden wrote: »

RTE did decent daytime tv once imo, The big bite with David McWilliams 2004/2006

Agree but it just got one season. They should replace morning rid with it

Sam Russell · 22-02-2014 02:36PM

They also need to sort out RTE NN. It is dreadful the way RTE are forced to waste two channels that would not cost much to sort out.

I suspect it is all to do with protecting another channel.

lertsnim · 22-02-2014 11:30PM

Of course. TV3 would be thriving if they didn't exist. That's what they think anyway

brick man · 27-02-2014 09:58PM

I emailed the Minister on Sunday 9th of Feb and got reply today as follows ;

I refer to your email in relation to RTEjr / RTE 2.
In accordance with section 103 of broadcasting act 2009 which provides that a corporation requires my consent for any new services or variation in channels.
I confirm that RTE have submitted a proposal to move childrens programmes to RTEjr from RTE 2.
My department has consulted with the B.A.I. in relation to the sectoral impact of the proposal.
The submission from RTE is currently being examined by my department in order to consider its public value.
Thank you for your comments in relation to the proposal.

It was signed by the Minister.

So that is where it appears to be at .

Elmo · 27-02-2014 10:14PM

brick man wrote: »

So that is where it appears to be at .

Exactly were it was in November.

What did you say to the Minister in your Email?

brick man · 27-02-2014 10:49PM

I told him as a parent my kids watch RTEjr channel not RTE 2 . It was a waste of licence fees payers money to have the one company running two channels with transmission costs etc. competing for the same niche audience. I suggested to leave a minimum of 90 minutes per day of juniors programmes on RTE 2 but only irish made ones so that they are showcased on one of the main channels as well. I also suggested that daytime on 2 could show good documentary, history, and minority programmes that had of course public value to it. I did also point out all the channels providing advertising opt outs to Ireland and that we should have a strong national Broadcaster.

Elmo · 27-02-2014 11:00PM

He should have given the public the chance to discuses the changes. We still don't know what RTÉ wanted.

Hopefully he will allow some changes take place.

Sam Russell · 28-02-2014 09:36AM

Elmo wrote: »

He should have given the public the chance to discuses the changes. We still don't know what RTÉ wanted.

Hopefully he will allow some changes take place.

He has had 3 years to change the SI issued by his discredited predecessor that he lambasted on the VB show, asking him if he had no shame.

RTE are forced to run 4 TV channels, 2 of which are forced to carry no adverts. (I consider the +1 as carrying no new adverts). What national broadcaster would tollerate such a situation? Oh, yea, the Beeb.

Elmo · 03-04-2014 04:27PM

Broadcasting Service Provision
328. Deputy Terence Flanagan Information on Terence Flanagan Zoom on Terence Flanagan asked the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources Information on Pat Rabbitte Zoom on Pat Rabbitte the reason it is taking so long to make a decision regarding moving RTEjr from RTE 2, as RTE originally put forward this proposal in April 2013; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [15071/14]

Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources (Deputy Pat Rabbitte): Information on Pat Rabbitte Zoom on Pat Rabbitte I refer to the reply to Question No. 106 of 5 February 2014. The position is unchanged.

His response in 5/2/14

Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources (Deputy Pat Rabbitte): Information on Pat Rabbitte Zoom on Pat Rabbitte I refer to the reply to Question No. 408 of 19 November 2013. The position is unchanged.

His response in 19/11/13

Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources (Deputy Pat Rabbitte): Information on Pat Rabbitte Zoom on Pat Rabbitte Section 103 of the Broadcasting Act 2009 provides that a corporation requires my consent for new services and variations in channels. I have received a submission from RTÉ in respect of the proposal to which the Deputy refers and it is currently being examined by my Department in order to consider its public value. My Department has also consulted with the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland in respect of the sectoral impact of this proposal. I expect to be in a position to make a decision in the matter shortly.

Digital Television Service Provision
329. Deputy Terence Flanagan Information on Terence Flanagan Zoom on Terence Flanagan asked the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources Information on Pat Rabbitte Zoom on Pat Rabbitte his views regarding the development of digital television services here over the past three years; the work that needs to be carried out to provide a range of services for viewers around the country; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [15072/14]

Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources (Deputy Pat Rabbitte): Information on Pat Rabbitte Zoom on Pat Rabbitte The Broadcasting Act 2009 requires RTÉ to provide digital coverage to the same extent as provided over the previous analogue network, i.e. 98% population coverage, and I am advised by RTÉ that this level of coverage is being provided by the SAORVIEW digital terrestrial television (DTT) network which was launched on 26 May, 2011. For the remaining 2% of the population, RTÉ launched SAORSAT in March 2012. The development and provision of SAORSAT, which is a “free to air” satellite system providing access to the RTÉ channels and TG4, was undertaken by RTÉ on its own initiative and, as in the case of the SAORVIEW DTT network, is not a matter in which I have a function. It is technically and financially impossible to provide 100% coverage using a terrestrial TV network. However, through SAORVIEW and SAORSAT, Ireland now has 100% “free to air” coverage of the RTÉ channels and TG4 for the first time in the history of the State.

I am satisfied that there is a greater breadth of services available under SAORVIEW than existed under the previous analogue service and I look forward to more services being made available on SAORVIEW in the future but this is primarily a matter for RTÉ which, in accordance with the relevant legislation, is responsible for the establishment, maintenance and operation of the DTT network.

Surely it is also a matter for the BAI. What is the greater breadth of service?

Broadcasting Service Provision
330. Deputy Terence Flanagan Information on Terence Flanagan Zoom on Terence Flanagan asked the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources Information on Pat Rabbitte Zoom on Pat Rabbitte the reason his Department did not call for public contributions regarding moving RTEjr from RTE 2, as it had previously done for the setting up of other RTE services in 2012; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [15073/14]

Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources (Deputy Pat Rabbitte): Information on Pat Rabbitte Zoom on Pat Rabbitte Section 103(4) of the Broadcasting Act 2009 provides that where I propose to give my consent to a new broadcasting service or a variation in channels of the public service broadcasters, I am required to consult with the corporation concerned and such other persons as I consider appropriate.It is, therefore, at my discretion as to the extent of consultation in any given case. In the case to which the Deputy refers, I consulted with the following stakeholders:

-Age Action Ireland;

-Broadcasting Authority of Ireland;

-Consumer Association of Ireland;

-Independent Broadcasters Ireland;

-Irish National Organisation of the Unemployed;

-National Consumer Agency;

-National Disability Authority;

-National Newspapers of Ireland;

-Office of the Minister for Children;

-Ombudsman for Children;

-RTÉ Audience Council;

-Setanta;

-TG4;

-TV3.

I am satisfied that this represented an appropriate level of consultation in this case.

It will be interesting to see who response as soon as he makes his decision shortly.

Do RTE Really need the ministers permission to change a stations schedule ?

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