Finally I have abandoned Google Gaelic Maps

Carlos Orange · 19-02-2014 01:47PM

Uriel. wrote: »

You should check out Article 8 of our dear constitution. It'll blow your mind.

reality > legal fiction

Manzoor14 · 19-02-2014 02:18PM

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

I've never seen a physical map with street names in Irish and English.

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

I said street names.

psinno wrote: »

In the unlikely event I buy a map of Galway tomorrow you guarantee it will have all the streets named in both languages on the map? Or my money back.

Cienciano wrote: »

OS maps don't have the Irish name alongside the english names on streets. At least not in the maps I use.

Jeez just came across this thread there, amazing how some people could get so worked up! As a professional in the mapping industry i've come across numerous examples of 2 languages being used on a single map.

In fact, the nearest physical map to hand has it, funnily enough it's in Galway as well! Produced by OSI as well in conjunction with Discover Ireland. :pac:
Here's a quick pic I took.

Cienciano · 19-02-2014 03:39PM

Manzoor14 wrote: »

Jeez just came across this thread there, amazing how some people could get so worked up! As a professional in the mapping industry i've come across numerous examples of 2 languages being used on a single map.

In fact, the nearest physical map to hand has it, funnily enough it's in Galway as well! Produced by OSI as well in conjunction with Discover Ireland. :pac:
Here's a quick pic I took.

That map is normal, some street names are officially named in irish so that's what the map uses. It doesn't place the english and irish translation of the same street beside each other.

Uriel. · 19-02-2014 04:02PM

Piliger wrote: »

You mean the constitution that used to ban divorce and still bans same sex marriage until the people get to decide ?

Exactly. The legal foundation of the land until the people decide otherwise

Uriel. · 19-02-2014 04:02PM

psinno wrote: »

reality > legal fiction

what's your point?

Carlos Orange · 19-02-2014 04:35PM

Uriel. wrote: »

what's your point?

Your reference to the constitution was irrelevant to a post about actual language usage.

Uriel. · 19-02-2014 05:01PM

psinno wrote: »

Your reference to the constitution was irrelevant to a post about actual language usage.

I referenced a statement that English is our main language.

In the context of this thread and its subject matter, Irish maintains a legal primacy over English - whether anyone likes it or not.

Manzoor14 · 19-02-2014 05:06PM

Cienciano wrote: »

That map is normal, some street names are officially named in irish so that's what the map uses. It doesn't place the english and irish translation of the same street beside each other.

Valid point, I misread your original post! Apologies.

However, it raises another interesting point, when is the Irish version of the street the official name? I always though Bothar Pairc An Aonaigh on my image was actually Fairgreen Road?

Piliger · 19-02-2014 06:03PM

Uriel. wrote: »

Exactly. The legal foundation of the land until the people decide otherwise

This is the kind of nationalism we need to eradicate in this country to move forward.

Uriel. · 19-02-2014 08:03PM

Piliger wrote: »

This is the kind of nationalism we need to eradicate in this country to move forward.

Why? We can't move forward/modernise while recognising and keeping our national language?

MadsL · 19-02-2014 08:19PM

psinno wrote: »

reality > legal fiction

Uriel. wrote: »

what's your point?

He is psi of the clan nno, I think.

Carlos Orange · 19-02-2014 08:31PM

Uriel. wrote: »

I referenced a statement that English is our main language.

In the context of this thread and its subject matter, Irish maintains a legal primacy over English - whether anyone likes it or not.

If that makes you feel better then by all means enjoy it but I recommend not going outside.

MadsL · 19-02-2014 08:52PM

Uriel. wrote: »

Why? We can't move forward/modernise while recognising and keeping our national language?

Funny how the Czechs managed to learn how to speak Czech again rather than German.

Conversation I witnessed between a Czech girl and an Irish guy.

Czech girl: Do you speak Irish?

Irish guy: No

Czech girl: But, aren't you Irish?

Irish guy: Yes, but not all Irish people speak Irish, you see the English surpressed...

Czech girl: (cuts him off) You mean like the Germans prohibited Czech in commerce. politics, literature, theatre, schools, hospitals...

Irish guy: yes, exactly...

Czech girl: And then we rescued the language, taught it in schools, reformed its grammar to remove the German aspects, republished our literature and learned to speak it and became proud to speak Czech once more...

Irish guy: um...

Carlos Orange · 19-02-2014 08:56PM

MadsL wrote: »

Czech girl: (cuts him off) You mean like the Germans prohibited Czech in commerce. politics, literature, theatre, schools, hospitals...

She means Austrians right?

Artful_Badger · 19-02-2014 09:01PM

MadsL wrote: »

Funny how the Czechs managed to learn how to speak Czech again rather than German.

Conversation I witnessed between a Czech girl and an Irish guy.

Czech girl: Do you speak Irish?

Irish guy: No

Czech girl: But, aren't you Irish?

Irish guy: Yes, but not all Irish people speak Irish, you see the English surpressed...

Czech girl: (cuts him off) You mean like the Germans prohibited Czech in commerce. politics, literature, theatre, schools, hospitals...

Irish guy: yes, exactly...

Czech girl: And then we rescued the language, taught it in schools, reformed its grammar to remove the German aspects, republished our literature and learned to speak it and became proud to speak Czech once more...

Irish guy: um...

Should have went.

Czech girl: Do you speak Irish?

Irish guy: No

Czech girl: But, aren't you Irish?

Irish guy: Yes, but not many Irish people speak Irish, you see everyone speaks English as its the main language of Ireland. I was born into an English speaking family, raised to speak English and communicate with all others I need to communicate with in English.

Czech girl: Oh I see. Can I ask you another question ? Why is that creepy bastard staring at us ?

Piliger · 19-02-2014 09:04PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Should have went.

Czech girl: Do you speak Irish?

Irish guy: No

Czech girl: But, aren't you Irish?

Irish guy: Yes, but not many Irish people speak Irish, you see everyone speaks English as its the main language of Ireland. I was born into an English speaking family, raised to speak English and communicate with all others I need to communicate with in English.

Czech girl: Oh I see. Can I ask you another question ? Why is that creepy bastard staring at us ?

Czechs got a chance to choose. We have chosen by our actions but the nationalists don't respect anyone but themselves and least of all democracy.

Uriel. · 19-02-2014 09:28PM

psinno wrote: »

If that makes you feel better then by all means enjoy it but I recommend not going outside.

Why would you not recommend going outside?
I have no problem going outside.
I also have no problem with Irish being used on maps ortaking primacy oover English on for example Street signs etc.

I also have no issue for people pushing government to do more to preserve and mainstream the language.

Do you?

Uriel. · 19-02-2014 09:30PM

Piliger wrote: »

Czechs got a chance to choose. We have chosen by our actions but the nationalists don't respect anyone but themselves and least of all democracy.

Nationalists?

You speak of democracy and yet Irish is enshrined as our national language in the constitution, the foundation of democracy in this country.

Uriel. · 19-02-2014 09:39PM

That might be so. But until the constitution is "overhauled" it's provisions provide the bedrock of legal being in ireland

MadsL · 19-02-2014 09:42PM

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MadsL wrote:

Or.......

Czech girl: Do you speak Irish?

Irish guy: No

Czech girl: But, aren't you Irish?

Irish guy: Yes, but not many Irish people speak Irish, you see everyone speaks English as its the main language of Ireland. I was born into an English speaking family, raised to speak English and communicate with all others I need to communicate with in English. Why is that creepy bastard staring at us ?

Czech girl: Hmm, my great-great grandfather was raised in a German speaking family, raised to speak German and communicate with all others he needed to communicate with in German. When we finally got free of the Empire, he learned Czech.

And that creepy guy is my boyfriend!

MadsL · 19-02-2014 09:43PM

Piliger wrote: »

Czechs got a chance to choose. .

Eh?

MadsL · 19-02-2014 09:44PM

psinno wrote: »

She means Austrians right?

Hard to tell when they are on a horse in jackboots

Artful_Badger · 19-02-2014 09:58PM

But maybe....

Originally Posted by MadsL
Or.......

Czech girl: Do you speak Irish?

Irish guy: No

Czech girl: But, aren't you Irish?

Irish guy: Yes, but not many Irish people speak Irish, you see everyone speaks English as its the main language of Ireland. I was born into an English speaking family, raised to speak English and communicate with all others I need to communicate with in English.

Czech girl: Hmm, my great-great grandfather was raised in a German speaking family, raised to speak German and communicate with all others he needed to communicate with in German. When we finally got free of the Empire, he learned Czech.

Irish guy: Good for him, Irish people have been "free" a while now but most of us haven't felt any real urge or need to learn a little used language given what we are raised to speak is pretty much a global language that facilitates communication in a way few other languages do. Btw who is that creepy guy staring at us?

Czech girl: That creepy guy is my boyfriend!

Irish guy: Any chance he can bring you somewhere you wont annoy the fcuk out of me with stories of your granddad ?

Tenshot · 02-08-2014 11:42PM

For the benefit of anyone who stumbled on this thread while trying to get rid of Irish place names entirely from the Google Maps app, here's how I did it on iOS7:

Go into iOS settings -> General -> International and set the region format to United Kingdom rather than Ireland.

That's all it took for me. Next time I started the app, it was 100% English names.

Of course, there are likely other knock-on effects from changing this setting, since it affects the entire system, not just Google Maps. (I think it may have reset my auto-correct cache too since a lot of my typing mistakes are no longer being corrected accurately.)

Davidius · 03-08-2014 12:29AM

Deanglicise the placenames, sure they're only gobbledygook in English.

mackerski · 03-08-2014 12:30AM

Davidius wrote: »

Deanglicise the placenames, sure they're only gobbledygook in English.

Ní thuigim.

Finally I have abandoned Google Gaelic Maps

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