Garda Ombudsman offices bugged

K-9 · 19-02-2014 01:40AM

who_ru wrote: »

Retired Supreme Court Judge Catherine McGuiness on Vincent Browne
"why are they (govt/police) trying to shut this down so quickly?".

Shatter only wants a review, no questions to be asked or witnesses called.

Must report to him, who is of the publicly declared opinion it's a baseless innuendo, nothing happened, let's move on, no need for an inquiry anyway.

The world's biggest whitewash is on the way.

I'd have a lot of faith in McGuinness, O'Laon the ex PSNI Ombudsman as well, people who know about this stuff.

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Read your history, Donnegan was the clown that called the President a bollicks.

Part of the gang of three, Conney, CCoB Donegan.

Yet still no facts about Cooney. At this stage you've just sound bites about Cooney, just repeat his name, but no facts or even speculation about why you keep repeating his name.

I mention Sean Doherty because I can back it up. Seems an irrelevance with you and Cooney.

porsche959 wrote: »

Shatter is very unpopular among rank and file though, wouldn't matter what he did he probably wouldn't improve his confidence with them. Granted so is GSOC, but arguably, that's their job.

An investigative body should never be pally with the police. Gardai should be having a Clarkson Health and Safety rant at the GSOC, otherwise the GSOC aren't getting up Garda noses!

Busted Flat. · 19-02-2014 01:43AM

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CC8QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishexaminer.com%2Fireland%2Fpolitics%2F1997-campaigns-heavy-gang-claims-171245.html&ei=I_sDU5i-NqjB7AbZ7oGIBg&usg=AFQjCNERVvZdGmZ87A5sMWOZoDJbDr25SQ&bvm=bv.61535280,d.ZGU

* The story: Presidential candidate Derek Nally described as scandalous and sad an allegation by a group of former gardaí that there were people who would be willing to put a bullet in his head.

He called on those gardaí to come out publicly and make the allegations against him.

“I want to be able to identify the people who are making the threats and identify my possible assassins,” he said in Limerick.

Mr Nally was speaking on allegations made on RTÉ’s Primetime and a suggestion that a group of ex-gardaí might come out against him, as a group had done to Adi Roche.

“I am not afraid of any physical violence that could be perpetrated against me,” he said.

Mr Nally believed he was being subjected to threats because of speaking out in the 1970s against some of the force.

“I spoke about a small handful of unrepresentative gardaí who in my view were bringing the force into serious disrepute,” he said.

There were allegations coming into the Association of Garda Sergeants and Inspectors when he was general secretary that gardaí were ill-treating prisoners.

“I never saw any of this, but it was a very strong view in the Garda force at the time and I brought the matter to the attention of then Minister for Justice, Paddy Cooney.

“I think it is scandalous and sad that a group of people who were supposed to be the protectors of the criminal justice system, to be protectors of law and order and protections [sic] of the rule of law, would come and say these kind of things.”

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&ved=0CFMQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Fopinion%2Fanalysis%2Fthe-wrong-arm-of-the-law-25906576.html&ei=I_sDU5i-NqjB7AbZ7oGIBg&usg=AFQjCNFfkpHiGkHOo3Vofn_2DrU-eYcP1w&bvm=bv.61535280,d.ZGU

WilyCoyote · 19-02-2014 02:58AM

This is not the first time that Alan "DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM" Shatter has got in the way of the solids as they exited the fan. When stopped at the breath test checkpoint, he gave one quick puff into the bag which was not enough top inflate it. Told by the garda to do it again, he again gave a quick puff ......... remonstrated with the garda and said (among other things), "You cannot stop me, I am going", and he drove of. The report later went missing.
It looks as if both he and Mrs Shatter have a little bad luck at breath tests. If she had spun her husband's line perhaps she too would have got away with it.
He then said that he informed the garda that because he is an asthmatic he could not puff enough. The garda said this was not the case. So he basically called her a liar. Her report, which would have confirmed her side of the story went missing. Can anyone not believe that these two things are not connected? Obviously Eamon Gilmore and Enda Kenny do. Are these two naive in the extreme or were they part of the cover up (by giving tacit acknowledgement that Shatter was right and the garda was telling lies?)

As Minister for Justice and Equality ...... he fully understands both the scenic route around and the more direct coach & four through the justice system and that some people are more equal than others.

Full story underneath:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dont-you-know-who-i-am-what-shatter-said-to-garda-29300483.html

aloyisious · 19-02-2014 12:06PM

If all of the Govt ministers and both parties in the coalition are going to be satisfied with a review of the paperwork/reports on the bugging affair, and it's to be just a "tick the yes or no box" for the judge, I hope the Govt get a resounding "sorry, not interested" from the judges section. Any judge that see's what's being put to him/her as the conditions of inquiry (those set down by the main govt protagonist in the affair) and accept's them would obviously be seen as a party hack and can be bought.

Sorry Alan, your attempts to baffle us with bull**** have failed.

hatrickpatrick · 19-02-2014 12:55PM

The Garda Press Office *cough* Sorry, I mean Paul Wiliams is, incredibly, sticking to his story despite being thoroughly debunked yesterday from all sides:

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/paul-williams-pc-brigade-dragged-me-through-mud-imagine-if-id-been-wrong-30021715.html

One of the three anomalies identified in the security audit has been shown to have an innocent explanation when it was traced to the free wi fi available in a coffee shop on the first floor of the GSOC building.

This is far from innocent. The device wasn't supposed to connect to ANY network without a password, and it doesn't seem to have crossed his mind that if somebody wanted to hack a wifi device, a cafe IP address would clearly be the easiest thing to hide behind, obscuring the identity of the specific individual doing it. However, this is ambiguous, so let's move on to his more ridiculous claims:

And the existence of a UK 3G base station outside the offices would not have made sense if, as the Ombudsman Commission has already confirmed, no one on its staff uses UK mobile phones.

The chairman of GSOC is UK based, so for starters anyone using an IMSI catcher would have been forgiven for assuming he did in fact have a UK phone, and secondly they can be changed in an instant to do sweeps of other networks. Moreover, this is not what he claimed in his article yesterday. Going on:

Sources close to GSOC claim that it attached to the phones used by the security specialists carrying out the sweep – who were carrying UK mobiles.

This is in DIRECT CONFLICT with what he wrote yesterday, which was that the presence of UK mobile phones caused a UK network to mysteriously appear out of nowhere. His article yesterday clearly attempts to imply that there was no external base station involved at all.

Absolutely shameless.
As Father Ted would say, "Shoddy workmanship, that's what it is: SHODDY! SHODDY! SHODDY!"

kerry4sam · 19-02-2014 01:13PM

Has the Garda Confidential Recipient been relieved of his duties?

Busted Flat. · 19-02-2014 01:16PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The Garda Press Office *cough* Sorry, I mean Paul Wiliams is, incredibly, sticking to his story despite being thoroughly debunked yesterday from all sides:

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/paul-williams-pc-brigade-dragged-me-through-mud-imagine-if-id-been-wrong-30021715.html

This is far from innocent. The device wasn't supposed to connect to ANY network without a password, and it doesn't seem to have crossed his mind that if somebody wanted to hack a wifi device, a cafe IP address would clearly be the easiest thing to hide behind, obscuring the identity of the specific individual doing it. However, this is ambiguous, so let's move on to his more ridiculous claims:

The chairman of GSOC is UK based, so for starters anyone using an IMSI catcher would have been forgiven for assuming he did in fact have a UK phone, and secondly they can be changed in an instant to do sweeps of other networks. Moreover, this is not what he claimed in his article yesterday. Going on:

This is in DIRECT CONFLICT with what he wrote yesterday, which was that the presence of UK mobile phones caused a UK network to mysteriously appear out of nowhere. His article yesterday clearly attempts to imply that there was no external base station involved at all.

Absolutely shameless.
As Father Ted would say, "Shoddy workmanship, that's what it is: SHODDY! SHODDY! SHODDY!"

He has not come to terms yet with writing for a big boys paper, even if it is the Indo, he still thinks he is with the Sunday World comic.

aloyisious · 19-02-2014 01:43PM

kerry4sam wrote: »

Has the Garda Confidential Recipient been relieved of his duties?

According to Joe Duffy, yes he has (Joe put it differently "He's been sacked") RTE News say's he's been relieved by Alan/the Govt because of the "Alan Shatter will go after you" comment he made to Sgt McCabe.

baldbear · 19-02-2014 01:48PM

aloyisious wrote: »

According to Joe Duffy, yes he has (Joe put it differently "He's been sacked")

He crossed Shatter and got sacked just like he advised the whistlblower. A joke.

Bits_n_Bobs · 19-02-2014 01:53PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The Garda Press Office *cough* Sorry, I mean Paul Wiliams is, incredibly, sticking to his story despite being thoroughly debunked yesterday from all sides:

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/paul-williams-pc-brigade-dragged-me-through-mud-imagine-if-id-been-wrong-30021715.html

I love his 'its the liberal meeja' conspiracy theory. What the hell does being 'liberal' have to do with any aspect of this tragicomedy?

Sorriest bit of writing I've seen in a long time. Pathetic.

Happyman42 · 19-02-2014 01:58PM

Watching this unfold and the new season of House Of Cards is messing with my grip on reality!

WilyCoyote · 19-02-2014 02:01PM

"Then again, objectivity is not something that is guaranteed by your licence fee.

Some have accused those who are sceptical of all the GSOC claims of being pro Alan Shatter and the Gardai.

That's the kind of abuse that's thrown around like confetti if you don't follow the accepted wisdom of the media mob.

My job in life has always been to put facts on paper and let the public make up their own mind. Be that the Anglo Tapes or in a previous career exposing underworld criminals." (Irish Indo)

In other words .......... the Anglo affair is not to be confused with underworld criminality. A little bit of bias there Paul.

mickdw · 19-02-2014 02:14PM

This is getting interesting. Shatter getting in deeper and deeper. Cant see him being in the job this day next week.

ThisRegard · 19-02-2014 02:21PM

Bits_n_Bobs wrote: »

Sorriest bit of writing I've seen in a long time. Pathetic.

It's ridiculous isn't it, he came out swinging at everyone for some reason or another, Sinn Fein even get a special mention, what they have to do with this story I don't know.

A more childish rant you couldn't find in a national newspaper, it's the equivalent of saying "Shurrup stupid heads, I AM right" and then sticks his fingers in his ears going Naw Naw Naw can't hear you.

SEPT 23 1989 · 19-02-2014 02:22PM

Pet Rabbitte stuttering through an interview on Radio 1 now

ThisRegard · 19-02-2014 02:26PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This is in DIRECT CONFLICT with what he wrote yesterday, which was that the presence of UK mobile phones caused a UK network to mysteriously appear out of nowhere. His article yesterday clearly attempts to imply that there was no external base station involved at all.

Absolutely shameless.
As Father Ted would say, "Shoddy workmanship, that's what it is: SHODDY! SHODDY! SHODDY!"

There's an article on the editing of his original story here

http://www.rabble.ie/2014/02/19/revisiting-the-truth-paul-williams-and-gsoc/

whatsthetime · 19-02-2014 02:27PM

And now the army are making tube bombs!!! Shatter has to go surely.

Bits_n_Bobs · 19-02-2014 02:29PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Pet Rabbitte stuttering through an interview on Radio 1 now

Another fine oratorical performance from Rabbite skillfully encompassing bluster, arrogance and condescension...

who_ru · 19-02-2014 03:05PM

The confidential recipient was a shatter lackey who made a 1000 Euro donation to shatter's 2011 election campaign, shatter also trained in his legal office. Nice to have someone you know will spill the beans to you on whistleblowers, who just happened to be blowing the whistle on Martin callinane among others. What a cosy set up the had.

suicide_circus · 19-02-2014 03:13PM

who_ru wrote: »

The confidential recipient was a shatter lackey who made a 1000 Euro donation to shatter's 2011 election campaign, shatter also trained in his legal office. Nice to have someone you know will spill the beans to you on whistleblowers, who just happened to be blowing the whistle on Martin callinane among others. What a cosy set up the had.

this whole story is getting muddier by the hour. shatter quickly becoming a liability to the government. his relationship with Callinane is seriously questionable. The treatment of whistleblowers by Shatter and Callinane is, to use the commissioners own words, disgusting. Serious questions.

Happyman42 · 19-02-2014 03:16PM

Verimus, Verimus will do the fandango.
https://twitter.com/verrimus/status/436139321675247617/photo/1

who_ru · 19-02-2014 04:00PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

Verimus, Verimus will do the fandango.
https://twitter.com/verrimus/status/436139321675247617/photo/1

The problem is verrimus won't be asked anything, neither will anybody else, it's a review of documents not a legal enquiry.
Shatter had refused to comment upon the telephone line integrity test right from the beginning despite GSOC giving him the info in their briefing of him. He of course omitted this from his 1st dail statement
Despite this he continues to play the innocent schoolboy who is only interested in the truth.

who_ru · 19-02-2014 04:09PM

I would also add that Shatter's resignation alone is unacceptable, if it happens that is. Callinane must also be made resign his position which is totally untenable anyway, never mind in the light of the release of garda McCabe's transcript. He + the police must then be the subject of a full independent legal enquiry conducted by an international body. Anything else will not wash. The Boylan affair is far too serious to brush under the carpet.

renegademaster · 19-02-2014 04:40PM

Bits_n_Bobs wrote: »

Another fine oratorical performance from Rabbite skillfully encompassing bluster, arrogance and condescension...

suicide_circus wrote: »

this whole story is getting muddier by the hour. shatter quickly becoming a liability to the government. his relationship with Callinane is seriously questionable. The treatment of whistleblowers by Shatter and Callinane is, to use the commissioners own words, disgusting. Serious questions.

who_ru wrote: »

I would also add that Shatter's resignation alone is unacceptable, if it happens that is. Callinane must also be made resign his position which is totally untenable anyway, never mind in the light of the release of garda McCabe's transcript. He + the police must then be the subject of a full independent legal enquiry conducted by an international body. Anything else will not wash. The Boylan affair is far too serious to brush under the carpet.

there should be riots on the streets over this and all the rest of the exposed corruption and damning of our futures!!!!!!!!!!!

suicide_circus · 19-02-2014 04:44PM

who_ru wrote: »

I would also add that Shatter's resignation alone is unacceptable, if it happens that is. Callinane must also be made resign his position which is totally untenable anyway, never mind in the light of the release of garda McCabe's transcript. He + the police must then be the subject of a full independent legal enquiry conducted by an international body. Anything else will not wash. The Boylan affair is far too serious to brush under the carpet.

Callinane certainly needs to go. Shatter should probably lose the ministery. but dont worry, they will still have their gargantuan public service pensions.

who_ru · 19-02-2014 05:25PM

Enda Kenny today expressed his confidence in Alan Shatter in the Dail. Speaks volumes. The sacking of the confidential recipient is nothing more than a PR stroke.

Crann na Beatha · 19-02-2014 05:40PM

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mikom · 19-02-2014 05:41PM

Phoenix wrote: »

Not surprised in the least the patriots who died for this "republic" would be turning in their graves by such

Read my sig.

Birroc · 19-02-2014 05:42PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Callinane certainly needs to go. Shatter should probably lose the ministery. but dont worry, they will still have their gargantuan public service pensions.

They both need to go. Callinane has been a disgrace for a long time.

And Enda as usual is being a clown. Good thing for him that we already think he is a clown so ignore him.

WilyCoyote · 19-02-2014 05:50PM

who_ru wrote: »

Enda Kenny today expressed his confidence in Alan Shatter in the Dail. Speaks volumes. The sacking of the confidential recipient is nothing more than a PR stroke.

I wonder, when Shatter's position eventually becomes untenable, if Kenny will admit that he was/is (a) naive, (b) misinformed, (c) engaging in stroke politics ..... exactly the type of thing that he was going to eradicate in his ego-driven speeches before the general election.

Garda Ombudsman offices bugged

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